Oh, my family was Southern Baptist growing up, that is why I said it seemed like a very progressive view when my mother told me that tale. Most Baptists would hit you with a Bilble for that view! LOL

		_strat_ wrote:
		Oh, and it might be worth mentioning, that all this is not always against religious teachings. The story that you were told is actualy the official view of the Catholic church towards evolution, and the Big Bang theory is, according to them, the physical appearance of Creation.  Thats the Catholics, anyway. Orthodox Christians and Protestants are more fundamentalistic in this.      spapad wrote: Oh crap, gonna open my mouth again! What created the lump that exploded Strat?      _strat_ wrote: Well, I dont know that much about that theory, but from what I know, it doesnt say that it started from nothing. It says that the universe expanded from a sort of a primordial... "lump". Or something like that. Basicly, that it is all a procces of continous expanding that still goes on. If I got it right, anyway. But, if we turn to religion... There is always the question of where did god come from? And I think that wheter or not a certain theory is true or not is not that important, what I think matters most is the approach. The scientific theories are imo serious attempts to explain something. They give us something to build on, they can be adapted or changed to suit new evidence and new facts that come along, or transformed completely, if the facts speak completely against them. Whereas religion only says what happened, and no debate. The bible just says that god created the havens and the earth, period. God created this, did that, said that. Why? Well, thats the big question, I guess.      ron h wrote: I understand that the concept of blind faith is a tough pill to swallow...more so in this day and age.  My issue has always been the Big Bang Theory...if there was nothing...where did the  B A N G  come from??      _strat_ wrote: Lol... We used to have a lot of that here. If I remember right, we even had a thread dedicated to religion, that got sacked because we were to out of hand... Anyway, Im an atheist, as are both my parents... Ive had a secular upringing, no sunday schools, I wasnt even baptised... And I guess it stuck with me, although I think religion is interesting, thats why Ive read the bible, even tho I never attended a service in my life. As for Creationism vs. Evolution, I buy into evolution, pretty much just because it makes sense to me.      ron h wrote: There is a group out there of Scientists who feel as you've mentioned that there's room for both...God and Science.  I thought that was odd in that science is based in fact where the other... I have an Athiest friend who I've had many discussions with about this very topic, as I was raised in a family that went to Church every Sunday...he would get so frustrated because even though I could never prove God existed, he couldn't prove he didn't...and that even though he doesn't believe God exists, I made him face the realization that even Athiests benefit by humanities belief in a 'Supreme Being' in their everyday lives regardless of what he believes  lol   but he insisted I believe his side and I never would lol to this day he utters obscenities when the subject is broached      Head banger wrote: yeah, because I said so, thats a great argument.  so is everyone knows its so.  first off, iv everyone did, there would be no argument.  second everyone could be wrong.  hundreds of years ago everyone thoght the earth was flat.  turns out they might have been wrong.  the popular belief is not always right.   I read an interesting debate on creationism vs evolution a while back.  must see if I can find it.  people get so absolutly certain of one idea or another, they cant even conceive of a way that both ideas could be right.      ron h wrote: That's pretty much my point, HB.  If a person is going to give an opinion and debate it, they also have a responsibility to substantiate it...not necessarily to prove themselves right or superior or what ever...but to give me that information so that I may logically respond to it...and likewise.  Too often an opinion ends with "well, that's how I feel", "so", "I don't care", "what do you know?", "because I said so"...and the like.  Where's the give and take?  As far as theory vs. fact...Evoloution vs. Creationism...Big Bang vs. God...These are great example of that...ppl have died because of their views on this...how can either be proven??    (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:30:51 PM)   Head banger wrote:   the thing that made me think of that post first was seeing the debate on healthcare from the states.  its funny, you see both sides calling the other hitler... here, lately we mostly do have civilized discussions, it wasnt always that way, but it is now.  It is hard to understand where others are coming from, but without knowing that how can anything they say mean anything? BTW, the seek first to understand then to be understood comes from steven covey, think its part of the 7 habits. Edited at: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:20:27 PM