Thanks Hellrider!!! Yeah man todays bands have to stand up and fight for heavy metal!! There are 2 paths to go on....the heavy metal path or the money trail path....its totally up to the individual.
The ones who take the money path will NOT be defending or helping heavy metal in any way. Either its stand your ground and fight for heavy metal or sell out to the big man's money and "pretend"
your heavy metal...ect....bands like Godsmack and Disturbed are "new age" and to me they are not heavy metal in any way.....I'm not bashing Godsmack or Disturbed so if anyone is offended that was
not my intentions...but just trying to make clear what is "traditional heavy metal" and what is not...and Godsmack/Disturbed are not heavy metal...they are "commercial radio friendly hard rock" and good
for them I'm not saying its bad,but they would not fit in a tour with say Judas Priest,Iron Maiden and Saxon.......but to the big corporate labels and producers of todays day and age 2009...to them Godsmack
and Disturbed "are" heavy metal...but we all know that they really are not. Same as in the 80's when the media called Motley Crue and Poison "heavy metal bands" when we all knew that they were not.
This is the same thing here...just different times thats all. But going back to the overall subject Hellrider...yes...heavy metal MUST remain about black cloths,denim & leather,black boots,black gloves,black
shades,studs,spikes,bullet belts,band patches on denim jackets,chains,skulls,ect..ect..ect...total metal aesthetics and total 100% heavy metal sound and spirit....heavy metal deserves to be "PURE".
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:27:55 PM)| |  | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | HELL YEAH J.D DIAMOND THE COOOOMMMMMMMAAAAAAAMMMMMMDDDDDEEEEERRRRR HAS SPOKEN THE METAL LAW
NEVER SACRIFICE HEAVY METAL'S TRADITIONAL IMAGE, SOUND AND SPIRIT.FIST WITH STUDDED WRITBAND RAISED TO YOU MY METAL BROTHER,GOOD FRIEND AND FELLOW DEFENDER HELL YEAH
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes it is a load of bollocks Becks,but that also doesn't mean that an upcoming band shouldn't try and get as far as they can,but never sacrifice heavy metal's traditional
aesthetics and image or it's traditional sound and spirit........who knows...maybe there will be one band that emerges up from nowhere...alls it takes is one band to get
thier name out and gain momentum and eventually others would be sure to follow..ect....a new heavy metal scene....they may not reach the status and the kind of cash
flow that Priest are comfortable with having that they earned of course,but they may also be able to bring heavy metal back a little bit and still make a living at it.
tasnam1 is right about bands that have started out with thier style and sound..ect..and slowly sold out because they had to at that time,it is just what it is. But just
like the first Exciter song from 1983's Heavy Metal Maniac album....todays bands have to "STAND UP AND FIGHT".....fight for heavy metal.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Sad isn't it JD. People these days have massive misconceptions about 'traditional' heavy metal. Plus it's all pop and rap and other shit music that is popular anyway, so like you say, if a band was to come out with Priest or Maiden style heavy metal, they wouldn't get very far. It's such a load of bollocks.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes tasnam1....nobody ever said that it wasn't about the money...we all know that. What I am saying is that up-starting bands that want to "make it big" like Judas Priest or Iron maiden
can NOT "make it big" playing traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest or Iron Maiden because that is not what sells today. Sure Priest and Maiden sell big time because they are already
established from the great 1980's. If they were to merge onto the scene today...both Priest and Maiden wouldn't get very far and have a very very small fan base because heavy metal is not
the "in thing" in today's day and age...its crap bands like Mushroomhead and system of a down and ect... If anyone wants to create a traditional heavy metal band and persue it seriously
than they will have to realize and understand that they will not be making any big time cash and will probably have to work a real job on the side..ect....... Once they take the "sell out road"
and conform to what the big time producer wants and change thier image and sound ect....than they are no longer a traditional heavy metal band. Its pretty simple. Bands that will carry the
torch for Judas Priest,Saxon,Iron Maiden,Black Sabbath....will be underground underrated bands that will do it for the love of traditinal heavy metal music and be satisfied with what little cash
they will get from it all. There is no magic record label that will let you create a band similar to Judas Priest and play kick ass heavy metal,open up for Priest..ect..and earn as much money
as Priest or even close.... .....if you want the kind of money as Judas Priest or Iron maiden...you will have to do it with another style of music,not "heavy metal" cause it aint happening.
| | | tasnam1 wrote: | | As I said in my post. "It is about the money". which is the reasons why these bands change.
I never said I agreed or supported it.
It is simple about the money so most (if not even all) bands adapt and change to meet the demands of the business.
Example: (Note I am not in the business so these are my assumptions)
#1 Band makes first album sells 10,000 copies - no food to eat, hand to mouth
#2 Fronted $50,000 to make second album. Sell 100,000 copies - get money for booze, drugs, girls & food.
#3 Fronted $125,000 to make third album. Sell 500,000 copies - get first sports car, real apartment and more excesses.
#4 Fronted $250,000 to make forth album. Sell 1,000,000 copies. Buy house, Fararri and lots of girls.
#5 Fronted $500,000 to make fifth album. Sales Suck. sell only 450,000 copies. Indebted to record company even more.
HAVE to sell more albums to keep up with lifestyle and pay back fronte money.
Need money for excesses that they have become accustomed to.
#6 Company puts even MORE pressure on them to top the past sales and the band concedes.
They HAVe to; in order to keep up the pattern of growth.
#7 You know the rest of this story.....
This is the way of the REAL Music world.
You and I know that many bands start with the intent of putting music first but they get caught in the corporate trap.
In fact almost no way around it.
IT IS A BUSINESS!
BTW - I have had a few scotches tonight so sorry for typos........Cheers!
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