Sorry, the Rock in Rio III DVD shows Pat doing the intro to Into the Pit. I just assumed that Pat did it at every show. You know what they say when you ass-u-me! Maybe Pat and Mike alternated doing it? Once again, I WISH I could have seen them back then..... *sigh*
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, October 08, 2010 10:05:45 PM)| |  | guidogodoy wrote: | | No. That deep voice asking if you want to "go into the fucking PIIIIIIIIIIIT" is actually Metal Mike. At least at the show I saw and all the bootlegs (one of which I am currently segmenting).
| | | Vaillant 3.0 wrote: | | Pat, a singer? Cool! I'll have to check him out to see how he sounds. Is he the one who's talking right before Into the Pit starts on Live Insurrection?
| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | Pat went to become the lead singer of Damageplan. They released one album before Dimebag was killed...... RIP Dimebag.
From what I can tell, every band he has been in since, he is the lead singer.
| | | Vaillant 3.0 wrote: | | Ah, okay. Yeah, it was probably the best economic decision he could make at that time. Too bad, though. He and Ray could have added a little more 'bite' to the last two Halford albums. Thanks for the info.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | As I understand it (and it makes complete sense), he simply went to other bands when Rob left Halford to go back to Priest. Seeing no future in Halford, Lachman was committed to other projects when Halford decided to regroup. Can't say that I blame him for not waiting around for a band left in limbo.
Ray Rendeau on bass was the final missing part. Shame, really. Not exactly sure what happened to him but I'd imagine the above scenario playing out there as well.
| | | Vaillant 3.0 wrote: | | Actually, that's what I've been wondering for a while. What happened to Patrick? Did he just leave? Were there tensions in the band? What's up?
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Incredible. I think that you are spot-on with this post as I feel almost exactly the same way. Right down to the "diamonds in the sky" line. That phrase just sticks out like a sore thumb, doesn't it? Caught my attention right away.
While I also like the album as a whole, I do flip-flop about the lyrics as well. Some, along with the guitars and drums for that matter, are simply too predictable. While I like the guitars / solos in Made of Metal, I find myself counting how many times "Supersonic silver flying machine" is repeated. I'll have a count when I get some free time.
Don't get me wrong, I love the album as a whole (I can really get into most songs, even "I Know We Stand a Chance" has a catchy little riff) but can't help but wonder if the absence of Patrick Lachman had an effect here. Roy Z is certainly no match on guitar and, when I compare earlier Halford shows both by memory and DVD/CD, it is even more noticeable. For those who saw the Resurrection tour, I am sure that you'll agree: Lachman was just a metal monster on stage. (Quoting Message by tasnam1 from Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:37:20 PM)
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Thanks for the comments Budred.
I also forgot to add to my original post the following:
Matador is also another "anthem Theme" -
After listening to the album for another two days some fine tuning thoughts:
I think the album musically is GREAT. But, lyrically, it is just off; i can't explain it. I love Rob, he is the best on this planet. It just seems his song writing lost creativity a little.
Take Made of Metal. GREAT music in the background. Fair lyrics.
Matador, GREAT music and style. Lyrics are "just okay".
Made of Metal, GREAT musically. Lyrics I go back and forth on. (I feel like I am watch Disney's CARS!!!!)
Ect, ect, ect.
I really like Speed of Sound and the track after it Like there's no tomorrow (although "like diamonds in the sky" is a little cheesy), Hell Razor is just plain COOL.
Of course Mower.
I seem to ALWAYS Skip over Fire & Ice and Thunder and Lightning - I believe these were filler tracks for him.
Undisputed is good musically, but the fact it is about a boxer, just seems to rub me the wrong way. Almost like he was trying to hard to fit a song around an industry.
Undisputed
Made of Metal
Matador
These songs just "seem" like he was trying to hard to fit the "events" around these lyrics.
If they become great anthems. I will be the first to admit it worked.
Tasnam
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I like your post and agree with most of it. The point that stands out is the Heart of a Lion comparison.
I thought the exact same thing. My problem is that over half of the CD has tracks like that. I do not like
that song and that is why I'm struggling with this album. 100 percent agree with Mower comment.
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I don't post much, but here is my take on H4.
First of all I will preface my comments with the fact that I am a Halford/Fight and of course Priest fan through and through - so my comments are not negative, just analytical in nature.
The Mower song itself is worth the whole album - exceptional in everyway.
I like Speed of sound.
Hell Razor sounds like Stained Class/Sad wind era, which is cool - nice work.
Heartless is like a 2010 remake of 1986 Heart of a Lion, but much better - (now I can stop listening to HOAL (which was tough) and replace it with Heartless)
Made on Metal and Matador - I my opinion - are just ok tracks musically. My belief, challenge me if you want, is that Rob is trying to create an anthem style song to be play at Nascar and Bullfighting arenas. He is a reasonalby smart marketing guy from a 60 yeear old metal bands point of view. Think Gary Glitter (pedophile), and other rock anthems at sports events. The become timeless and of course push the popularity of the creator of the songs, long after the band is even alive.
As far as the lyrics, overall yes they seem a little superficial/simple in nature, I agree. For what ever reason that would be my most critical comment.
Overall I like the album so far and will listen to it even more now. I will like this album more over time. Now I give it a B+ maybe even soon an A- .
But again Mower is worth the album. I would pay $15.00 for that one song. And I mean that. I feel it is that good; even a challenger for Painkiller!
Thoughts?
Tasnam
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| i realized i was listening to halford 4 hoping for another resurrection or crucible album and maybe not giving the album the chance it deserves !!! i caught myself today turning up most of the cd , i just cant get past the lyrics on made of metal yet and undisputed or the matador but the rest is catching on. i will be more positive in hearing this cd from now on and can maybe learn to like it more , ps mine was bought not stolen budred lol |
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