[Nupe The Ripper] Saturday, April 16, 2011 7:03:22 PM
While I usually try to avoid arguments over the internet (as I like being a diplomatic person, who supports neither side of some issues), I'd also like to add my two cents here. I'm particularly irritated by someone saying that Sabbath "started it all" and were "creators of metal". Yes, Sabbath was definitely one of the heaviest, if not the heaviest band in '70-'71, with a large credit going to Iommi's downtuned guitar.
But there were also others that put out similarly heavy stuff in the same era, like Deep Purple or Uriah Heep. While most, including me, would nowadays agree that they're both more hard rock than metal (with Heep more on the progressive side), imagine being in 1970 and start playing In Rock or Very 'eavy, Very 'umble. Both have blistering first tracks in Speed King and Gypsy, and the whole Purple album is very heavy indeed (can't say the same for Heep's first effort: although the US version did have Bird of Prey in it as well, overall the songs are less heavier). Come '71, Sabbath would already have three very heavy albums under it's belt, while the title tracks to Purple's Fireball and Heep's Look at Yourself (Salisbury, released earlier that year was more progressive and only Bird of Prey and Time to Live could be considered "heavy") were blisteringly heavy at the time. After that, more and more heavy bands started to pop up, with the Priest lurking at the back as well...
Very,very well said Jimmy. What you've said is ABSOLUTELY 100% correct. Everything you've posted here is "true". Also he should of created a Dio's Sabbath thread only because of his disliking for early Sabbath. He has every right to dislike the Ozzy years but creating a thread named The Creators of Metal and leaving out the Ozzy years is misleading. On another note,I absolutely can't stand the album 'The Devil You Know",it spanks of poor song writting. A very big letdown for myself when I heard the LP and knew I wasn't going to buy it. I don't even like one song on it.
jimmyjames wrote:
Well I must say that I don't know why you've created this thread then. Why didn't you just start a Ronnie James Dio thread and talk about his music in that? You've literally called the thread The Creators Of Metal - Black Sabbath and you are avoiding the line up of the band that actually did what you are talking about. The RJD era of Sabbath did not create metal. As I said before, by the time Ronnie joined the band in 1979 or 80 metal was already going strong. Priest had released five or six albums, Maiden had just begun, UFO had been going for ages, AC/DC were at their peak, The Scorpions had a few albums out, the list goes on. The albums that created metal were the first three Sabbath albums, self titled, Paranoid and Master Of Reality in 1970 and 71. Honestly, Black Sabbath is only Black Sabbath with Ozzy. With Dio the name is the same but the band and the music is completely different. Awesome heavy metal music but it's a completely different sound to the original Sabbath that created metal. I think the band realised this when they got back together with Dio and changed the name to Heaven And Hell. They understood that if they called it Black Sabbath people would be expecting to hear War Pigs, Sweet Leaf and Paranoid etc, because that's what Sabbath is.
Ozzys voice is just too annoying man...lol