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...No one's getting on Guido in a bad way paorcamp...and I don't think I insulted the racist in any way...but just by giving yourself the name (Racist) invites ridicule...it is a negative reference and desrves what it gets...if someone is gonna put themself out there like that, then they should be ready for the stigma (good or bad) that comes with it...and NO, I don't care why he thinks the way he does...and I'll be tolerant until he becomes...how should I say this...becomes 'vocal' in promoting his views...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by paorcamp from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:20:01 PM)| |  | paorcamp wrote: | | | mmm...Maybe I'm wrong about this but I see guido is just being curious...he's on his right...he's just trying to learn something new...maybe the points of view and the way the racist guy thinks...we are not being fair with them so just let guido ask and the other guy answer....and that's it...even if the guy is being honest or not we all can learn something new....because if he is being honest we can try to get an idea of the way he sees things before we insult him....but if he isn't, then we can see that there's a person with some problems...maybe he was hurt in the past and now is trying to hide in a racist shadow... |
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| [paorcamp] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:20:01 PM | |
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| mmm...Maybe I'm wrong about this but I see guido is just being curious...he's on his right...he's just trying to learn something new...maybe the points of view and the way the racist guy thinks...we are not being fair with them so just let guido ask and the other guy answer....and that's it...even if the guy is being honest or not we all can learn something new....because if he is being honest we can try to get an idea of the way he sees things before we insult him....but if he isn't, then we can see that there's a person with some problems...maybe he was hurt in the past and now is trying to hide in a racist shadow... |
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| [ron h] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:02:16 PM | |
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I think I've been around here long enough to know that you're a 'good guy', Guido (not unlike the Chucky doll...lol)...I know you don't give him not even 1 ounce of credibility...I think you actually put him on the spot with your questions (whether he has sufficient intelligence to even know this, I seriously doubt!!)...and I do remember his TV show...how long before it was pulled??...he was sitting in front of bookshelves full of his new book (at the time)...I guess they were there because no one bought any...except one...lol...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:50:19 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Let me put it this way...Rush is a native of the very city that could be one of my closest malls. Cape Girardeau, MO! Bought my PRIUS there (DF must be turning over in his lazyboy! HAAAA!), in fact. Car seller almost had a cow when I said that I listen but liken his words to a train wreck. Off track of the thread but I remember distinctly when I was a kid and realized that this fat blowhard is a freakin' idiot. Rush Limbaugh show (anyone else remember his television program?). He brings out a 100 year old lobster. Massive creature and one of the oldest ever found to date at the time. Fat bastard made no small issue that he was going to kill and eat it.
The fact that I am "interested" doesn't mean that the comments given in response to my questions don't raise the bile in my throat.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | I understand Guido...though I do feel sorry for you in that you don't have a decent place to shop!! I just have little to no tolerance for ppl like him, and that's my problem (was I prjecting??)...and the fact you mentioned Rush...I used to listen to him in the late 80's early 90's, now the sight of him makes me physically ill...but that's an entirely different issue...I liken him to 'Fat Bastard' from Austin Powers!!!
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Nah, I don't think I will ever get to "understand" a racist (and "setting him up for a fall," heh, how DARE you, sir!) but I did ask one simple question of him. What are the caucasian "artists/painters" that he likes? I still hope (s)he responds honestly.
BTW, we have no "local" mall. Nearest mall is an hour drive and nearest DECENT mall is 2.5 by car. So no wasted energy on my part. I live in a very small town surrounded by clandestine racists. Keep in mind that I have lived in many parts of the world but consider Detroit "home" as it is where I did most of my high-school years (save for one in Spain). To me, it is like talking to an extraterrestrial (or Rush Limbaugh <==you KNOW this was for you, Freeze, you non-recycling bastich! LOL!), I am just really interested.
Along those same lines, anyone have a good interview with David Koresh?
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Now you're making me laugh Guido!! Seriously!! I can understand and appreciate your need to 'understand' the 'Racist'...but you can do the same thing by going to your local mall and conducting a survey as well...who cares what his reasons are for being the way he is (or anyone else for that matter)...leave that to the psycologists...I'm here for much different reasons than this...I get this at work!!!...now, if he came here wanting to 'break these chains' of hatred and superiority by involving himself on the Board and mixing things up, cool...but that's not his intent nor do I think anything that we say is going to change anything...I'd rather focus such efforts in other areas of life, but that's me...I really think your humoring him to set him up for a fall (which is cool I guess, he is deserving of that), but I think it's wasted energy...been down this road before, ya know??
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Now, see? I disagree with just about all of you (strat, as always, you make me laugh!). I was quite sincere in my post and really DO want to know more about his views. I specifically asked about his favorite artists - as in painters - not music. It is not often that one comes across such a fellow who openly admits to having been called a racist and, as such, declared that to be the reason behind his online name. Sure, sounds like it is motivated by hate. The again, it would be no stretch of the imagination that this person has done time in prison. It would explain, in part, an open declaration to only trust all things caucasian.
I see it like I do talk radio. I listen to Hannity, Rush, Savage and their ilk whenever I am able. Drives most people in the car with me on long trips crazy, in fact. While I personally think Rush is a blowhard idiot / hippocrate (yeah, I remember Mr. Oxycontin his railing against all drug users and how they should all be put in jail...until HE gets caught...oops!) I like to hear the views of someone who is so out of touch with my realm of existence (or reality, IMO). I'll watch the 700 club and would love to have open conversations with Mormons and Scientologists. I even remember watching the now infamous "Geraldo Rivera nose-breaking" show live (help me out and say you remember this, old-farts!). Such views are SO far out of my own personal belief- system that I am curious.
So, that having been said, I defend and re-iterate my original and sincere request for "Racist" to say what artists (as in PAINTERS) (s)he appreciates. Early-Byzantine? Baroque or Andy Warhol? I am genuienly curious to know as one so rarely has any open dialog with such a person in this day and age. By that, I mean CENTURY. |
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| [guidogodoy] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:50:19 PM | |
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Let me put it this way...Rush is a native of the very city that could be one of my closest malls. Cape Girardeau, MO! Bought my PRIUS there (DF must be turning over in his lazyboy! HAAAA!), in fact. Car seller almost had a cow when I said that I listen but liken his words to a train wreck. Off track of the thread but I remember distinctly when I was a kid and realized that this fat blowhard is a freakin' idiot. Rush Limbaugh show (anyone else remember his television program?). He brings out a 100 year old lobster. Massive creature and one of the oldest ever found to date at the time. Fat bastard made no small issue that he was going to kill and eat it.
The fact that I am "interested" doesn't mean that the comments given in response to my questions don't raise the bile in my throat.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:37:13 PM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | I understand Guido...though I do feel sorry for you in that you don't have a decent place to shop!! I just have little to no tolerance for ppl like him, and that's my problem (was I prjecting??)...and the fact you mentioned Rush...I used to listen to him in the late 80's early 90's, now the sight of him makes me physically ill...but that's an entirely different issue...I liken him to 'Fat Bastard' from Austin Powers!!!
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Nah, I don't think I will ever get to "understand" a racist (and "setting him up for a fall," heh, how DARE you, sir!) but I did ask one simple question of him. What are the caucasian "artists/painters" that he likes? I still hope (s)he responds honestly.
BTW, we have no "local" mall. Nearest mall is an hour drive and nearest DECENT mall is 2.5 by car. So no wasted energy on my part. I live in a very small town surrounded by clandestine racists. Keep in mind that I have lived in many parts of the world but consider Detroit "home" as it is where I did most of my high-school years (save for one in Spain). To me, it is like talking to an extraterrestrial (or Rush Limbaugh <==you KNOW this was for you, Freeze, you non-recycling bastich! LOL!), I am just really interested.
Along those same lines, anyone have a good interview with David Koresh?
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Now you're making me laugh Guido!! Seriously!! I can understand and appreciate your need to 'understand' the 'Racist'...but you can do the same thing by going to your local mall and conducting a survey as well...who cares what his reasons are for being the way he is (or anyone else for that matter)...leave that to the psycologists...I'm here for much different reasons than this...I get this at work!!!...now, if he came here wanting to 'break these chains' of hatred and superiority by involving himself on the Board and mixing things up, cool...but that's not his intent nor do I think anything that we say is going to change anything...I'd rather focus such efforts in other areas of life, but that's me...I really think your humoring him to set him up for a fall (which is cool I guess, he is deserving of that), but I think it's wasted energy...been down this road before, ya know??
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Now, see? I disagree with just about all of you (strat, as always, you make me laugh!). I was quite sincere in my post and really DO want to know more about his views. I specifically asked about his favorite artists - as in painters - not music. It is not often that one comes across such a fellow who openly admits to having been called a racist and, as such, declared that to be the reason behind his online name. Sure, sounds like it is motivated by hate. The again, it would be no stretch of the imagination that this person has done time in prison. It would explain, in part, an open declaration to only trust all things caucasian.
I see it like I do talk radio. I listen to Hannity, Rush, Savage and their ilk whenever I am able. Drives most people in the car with me on long trips crazy, in fact. While I personally think Rush is a blowhard idiot / hippocrate (yeah, I remember Mr. Oxycontin his railing against all drug users and how they should all be put in jail...until HE gets caught...oops!) I like to hear the views of someone who is so out of touch with my realm of existence (or reality, IMO). I'll watch the 700 club and would love to have open conversations with Mormons and Scientologists. I even remember watching the now infamous "Geraldo Rivera nose-breaking" show live (help me out and say you remember this, old-farts!). Such views are SO far out of my own personal belief- system that I am curious.
So, that having been said, I defend and re-iterate my original and sincere request for "Racist" to say what artists (as in PAINTERS) (s)he appreciates. Early-Byzantine? Baroque or Andy Warhol? I am genuienly curious to know as one so rarely has any open dialog with such a person in this day and age. By that, I mean CENTURY. |
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| [ron h] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:37:13 PM | |
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I understand Guido...though I do feel sorry for you in that you don't have a decent place to shop!! I just have little to no tolerance for ppl like him, and that's my problem (was I prjecting??)...and the fact you mentioned Rush...I used to listen to him in the late 80's early 90's, now the sight of him makes me physically ill...but that's an entirely different issue...I liken him to 'Fat Bastard' from Austin Powers!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:28:33 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Nah, I don't think I will ever get to "understand" a racist (and "setting him up for a fall," heh, how DARE you, sir!) but I did ask one simple question of him. What are the caucasian "artists/painters" that he likes? I still hope (s)he responds honestly.
BTW, we have no "local" mall. Nearest mall is an hour drive and nearest DECENT mall is 2.5 by car. So no wasted energy on my part. I live in a very small town surrounded by clandestine racists. Keep in mind that I have lived in many parts of the world but consider Detroit "home" as it is where I did most of my high-school years (save for one in Spain). To me, it is like talking to an extraterrestrial (or Rush Limbaugh <==you KNOW this was for you, Freeze, you non-recycling bastich! LOL!), I am just really interested.
Along those same lines, anyone have a good interview with David Koresh?
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Now you're making me laugh Guido!! Seriously!! I can understand and appreciate your need to 'understand' the 'Racist'...but you can do the same thing by going to your local mall and conducting a survey as well...who cares what his reasons are for being the way he is (or anyone else for that matter)...leave that to the psycologists...I'm here for much different reasons than this...I get this at work!!!...now, if he came here wanting to 'break these chains' of hatred and superiority by involving himself on the Board and mixing things up, cool...but that's not his intent nor do I think anything that we say is going to change anything...I'd rather focus such efforts in other areas of life, but that's me...I really think your humoring him to set him up for a fall (which is cool I guess, he is deserving of that), but I think it's wasted energy...been down this road before, ya know??
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Now, see? I disagree with just about all of you (strat, as always, you make me laugh!). I was quite sincere in my post and really DO want to know more about his views. I specifically asked about his favorite artists - as in painters - not music. It is not often that one comes across such a fellow who openly admits to having been called a racist and, as such, declared that to be the reason behind his online name. Sure, sounds like it is motivated by hate. The again, it would be no stretch of the imagination that this person has done time in prison. It would explain, in part, an open declaration to only trust all things caucasian.
I see it like I do talk radio. I listen to Hannity, Rush, Savage and their ilk whenever I am able. Drives most people in the car with me on long trips crazy, in fact. While I personally think Rush is a blowhard idiot / hippocrate (yeah, I remember Mr. Oxycontin his railing against all drug users and how they should all be put in jail...until HE gets caught...oops!) I like to hear the views of someone who is so out of touch with my realm of existence (or reality, IMO). I'll watch the 700 club and would love to have open conversations with Mormons and Scientologists. I even remember watching the now infamous "Geraldo Rivera nose-breaking" show live (help me out and say you remember this, old-farts!). Such views are SO far out of my own personal belief- system that I am curious.
So, that having been said, I defend and re-iterate my original and sincere request for "Racist" to say what artists (as in PAINTERS) (s)he appreciates. Early-Byzantine? Baroque or Andy Warhol? I am genuienly curious to know as one so rarely has any open dialog with such a person in this day and age. By that, I mean CENTURY. |
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| [Head banger] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:32:34 PM | |
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yes, but. in this format, do you realy think you can get an inteligent response? or will the fact that you respond make him/her more sure that he is right, and superior to us all?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:55:14 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Now, see? I disagree with just about all of you (strat, as always, you make me laugh!). I was quite sincere in my post and really DO want to know more about his views. I specifically asked about his favorite artists - as in painters - not music. It is not often that one comes across such a fellow who openly admits to having been called a racist and, as such, declared that to be the reason behind his online name. Sure, sounds like it is motivated by hate. The again, it would be no stretch of the imagination that this person has done time in prison. It would explain, in part, an open declaration to only trust all things caucasian.
I see it like I do talk radio. I listen to Hannity, Rush, Savage and their ilk whenever I am able. Drives most people in the car with me on long trips crazy, in fact. While I personally think Rush is a blowhard idiot / hippocrate (yeah, I remember Mr. Oxycontin his railing against all drug users and how they should all be put in jail...until HE gets caught...oops!) I like to hear the views of someone who is so out of touch with my realm of existence (or reality, IMO). I'll watch the 700 club and would love to have open conversations with Mormons and Scientologists. I even remember watching the now infamous "Geraldo Rivera nose-breaking" show live (help me out and say you remember this, old-farts!). Such views are SO far out of my own personal belief- system that I am curious.
So, that having been said, I defend and re-iterate my original and sincere request for "Racist" to say what artists (as in PAINTERS) (s)he appreciates. Early-Byzantine? Baroque or Andy Warhol? I am genuienly curious to know as one so rarely has any open dialog with such a person in this day and age. By that, I mean CENTURY. |
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| [guidogodoy] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:28:33 PM | |
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Nah, I don't think I will ever get to "understand" a racist (and "setting him up for a fall," heh, how DARE you, sir!) but I did ask one simple question of him. What are the caucasian "artists/painters" that he likes? I still hope (s)he responds honestly.
BTW, we have no "local" mall. Nearest mall is an hour drive and nearest DECENT mall is 2.5 by car. So no wasted energy on my part. I live in a very small town surrounded by clandestine racists. Keep in mind that I have lived in many parts of the world but consider Detroit "home" as it is where I did most of my high-school years (save for one in Spain). To me, it is like talking to an extraterrestrial (or Rush Limbaugh <==you KNOW this was for you, Freeze, you non-recycling bastich! LOL!), I am just really interested.
Along those same lines, anyone have a good interview with David Koresh?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:10:52 PM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Now you're making me laugh Guido!! Seriously!! I can understand and appreciate your need to 'understand' the 'Racist'...but you can do the same thing by going to your local mall and conducting a survey as well...who cares what his reasons are for being the way he is (or anyone else for that matter)...leave that to the psycologists...I'm here for much different reasons than this...I get this at work!!!...now, if he came here wanting to 'break these chains' of hatred and superiority by involving himself on the Board and mixing things up, cool...but that's not his intent nor do I think anything that we say is going to change anything...I'd rather focus such efforts in other areas of life, but that's me...I really think your humoring him to set him up for a fall (which is cool I guess, he is deserving of that), but I think it's wasted energy...been down this road before, ya know??
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Now, see? I disagree with just about all of you (strat, as always, you make me laugh!). I was quite sincere in my post and really DO want to know more about his views. I specifically asked about his favorite artists - as in painters - not music. It is not often that one comes across such a fellow who openly admits to having been called a racist and, as such, declared that to be the reason behind his online name. Sure, sounds like it is motivated by hate. The again, it would be no stretch of the imagination that this person has done time in prison. It would explain, in part, an open declaration to only trust all things caucasian.
I see it like I do talk radio. I listen to Hannity, Rush, Savage and their ilk whenever I am able. Drives most people in the car with me on long trips crazy, in fact. While I personally think Rush is a blowhard idiot / hippocrate (yeah, I remember Mr. Oxycontin his railing against all drug users and how they should all be put in jail...until HE gets caught...oops!) I like to hear the views of someone who is so out of touch with my realm of existence (or reality, IMO). I'll watch the 700 club and would love to have open conversations with Mormons and Scientologists. I even remember watching the now infamous "Geraldo Rivera nose-breaking" show live (help me out and say you remember this, old-farts!). Such views are SO far out of my own personal belief- system that I am curious.
So, that having been said, I defend and re-iterate my original and sincere request for "Racist" to say what artists (as in PAINTERS) (s)he appreciates. Early-Byzantine? Baroque or Andy Warhol? I am genuienly curious to know as one so rarely has any open dialog with such a person in this day and age. By that, I mean CENTURY. |
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| [ron h] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:10:52 PM | |
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Now you're making me laugh Guido!! Seriously!! I can understand and appreciate your need to 'understand' the 'Racist'...but you can do the same thing by going to your local mall and conducting a survey as well...who cares what his reasons are for being the way he is (or anyone else for that matter)...leave that to the psycologists...I'm here for much different reasons than this...I get this at work!!!...now, if he came here wanting to 'break these chains' of hatred and superiority by involving himself on the Board and mixing things up, cool...but that's not his intent nor do I think anything that we say is going to change anything...I'd rather focus such efforts in other areas of life, but that's me...I really think your humoring him to set him up for a fall (which is cool I guess, he is deserving of that), but I think it's wasted energy...been down this road before, ya know??
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:55:14 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Now, see? I disagree with just about all of you (strat, as always, you make me laugh!). I was quite sincere in my post and really DO want to know more about his views. I specifically asked about his favorite artists - as in painters - not music. It is not often that one comes across such a fellow who openly admits to having been called a racist and, as such, declared that to be the reason behind his online name. Sure, sounds like it is motivated by hate. The again, it would be no stretch of the imagination that this person has done time in prison. It would explain, in part, an open declaration to only trust all things caucasian.
I see it like I do talk radio. I listen to Hannity, Rush, Savage and their ilk whenever I am able. Drives most people in the car with me on long trips crazy, in fact. While I personally think Rush is a blowhard idiot / hippocrate (yeah, I remember Mr. Oxycontin his railing against all drug users and how they should all be put in jail...until HE gets caught...oops!) I like to hear the views of someone who is so out of touch with my realm of existence (or reality, IMO). I'll watch the 700 club and would love to have open conversations with Mormons and Scientologists. I even remember watching the now infamous "Geraldo Rivera nose-breaking" show live (help me out and say you remember this, old-farts!). Such views are SO far out of my own personal belief- system that I am curious.
So, that having been said, I defend and re-iterate my original and sincere request for "Racist" to say what artists (as in PAINTERS) (s)he appreciates. Early-Byzantine? Baroque or Andy Warhol? I am genuienly curious to know as one so rarely has any open dialog with such a person in this day and age. By that, I mean CENTURY. |
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Now, see? I disagree with just about all of you (strat, as always, you make me laugh!). I was quite sincere in my post and really DO want to know more about his views. I specifically asked about his favorite artists - as in painters - not music. It is not often that one comes across such a fellow who openly admits to having been called a racist and, as such, declared that to be the reason behind his online name. Sure, sounds like it is motivated by hate. The again, it would be no stretch of the imagination that this person has done time in prison. It would explain, in part, an open declaration to only trust all things caucasian.
I see it like I do talk radio. I listen to Hannity, Rush, Savage and their ilk whenever I am able. Drives most people in the car with me on long trips crazy, in fact. While I personally think Rush is a blowhard idiot / hippocrate (yeah, I remember Mr. Oxycontin his railing against all drug users and how they should all be put in jail...until HE gets caught...oops!) I like to hear the views of someone who is so out of touch with my realm of existence (or reality, IMO). I'll watch the 700 club and would love to have open conversations with Mormons and Scientologists. I even remember watching the now infamous "Geraldo Rivera nose-breaking" show live (help me out and say you remember this, old-farts!). Such views are SO far out of my own personal belief- system that I am curious.
So, that having been said, I defend and re-iterate my original and sincere request for "Racist" to say what artists (as in PAINTERS) (s)he appreciates. Early-Byzantine? Baroque or Andy Warhol? I am genuienly curious to know as one so rarely has any open dialog with such a person in this day and age. By that, I mean CENTURY. |
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DF...like yourself, I was not going involve myself in this area of sociology (?)...but since you broke the silence, I think that what I have to offer only compliments your sentiments...
...of course, the only reason I joined this site is because it is dedicated to Judas Priest...but there's only 'new' news posted by the band every 1 or 2 months...so it is obviously the ppl here that keep me coming back day after day after day...although most of us never have or ever will meet each other and hang out, I do believe that I have built friendships here that will last as long as we choose to have them...I've never tlaked with anyone from most of the countries represented in this forum...and there's the 'friends' I have made right here in my own backyard (so to speak)...in JP.com I get to escape the BS in my daily life for awhile...I look forward to seeing how my 'friends' are doing, even if we don't really get to chat that much, I know everyone is up and about...I also know when ppl are going through bad times or are missing...regardless of my personal beliefs, this is my escape and it offends me when ppl bring their 'hate' here...and most of all, I really wish my 'friends' would not indulge the ppl that so openly flaunt their ignorance as I put a lot of stock in my friendships and I feel that they are 'above' this!!!...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:06:36 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Personally, as a "proud white man" myself, I am disgusted by the whole thing. I refuse to comment directly to this cretin so I will speak to our group.
When we allow ourselves to be taken down a path of foul ignorance, we also allow ourselves to be drawn down to the level of the low life to which we respond. Further, we do a great injustice to our membership. You see, we also enjoy the "company" we keep and enjoy the true "art" of the music which defines us. BUT, WE do not allow color, religion, race or country of origin to shadow what it means to be a "true" fan. Accordingly, WE do not see things so simply and WE choose to take a more "enlightend" and eclectic approach to our lives.
I will always be "proud" of my heritage. Moreover, I am proud to be part of such a widely diverse group. We have broken the bonds of ignorance and embraced all. Truth be told, unless you are an American Indian, you are NOT of this land. You are an immigrant. Whether that be of white, European heritage or black, Hispanic, Asian or anything else. How that could possibly be missed is beyond me, but I digress.
We are a family. We do not, nor should we ever, allow the stupidity of racism or any other hate (yes, I said hate) to come among us or, WORSE, be acknowledged. We cannot control the ignorance of others, but we can stand high above it. We shall not be soiled. |
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That may be so, strat. I will not argue that. I refuse to be drawn into a name-calling, finger-pointing, self-deprecating battle that will only serve to create yet ANOTHER embarrassment for this site. My point was, and remains, that we as a membership are far above this kind of thinking. To continue to respond directly to this "person" is only giving him further reason to perpetuate that embarrassment.
I do not own this site nor do I have any particular power over it or its members. I am speaking as one member that chooses to put our group before my personal desire to confront this ignorance in a public forum that should be dedicated to the enjoyment of its participants. That is what I meant previously and what I have said now.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:18:08 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, if we go back far enough, all humans can trace their descent to the missing link. Which makes arguing about races even more pointless than it already is.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Personally, as a "proud white man" myself, I am disgusted by the whole thing. I refuse to comment directly to this cretin so I will speak to our group.
When we allow ourselves to be taken down a path of foul ignorance, we also allow ourselves to be drawn down to the level of the low life to which we respond. Further, we do a great injustice to our membership. You see, we also enjoy the "company" we keep and enjoy the true "art" of the music which defines us. BUT, WE do not allow color, religion, race or country of origin to shadow what it means to be a "true" fan. Accordingly, WE do not see things so simply and WE choose to take a more "enlightend" and eclectic approach to our lives.
I will always be "proud" of my heritage. Moreover, I am proud to be part of such a widely diverse group. We have broken the bonds of ignorance and embraced all. Truth be told, unless you are an American Indian, you are NOT of this land. You are an immigrant. Whether that be of white, European heritage or black, Hispanic, Asian or anything else. How that could possibly be missed is beyond me, but I digress.
We are a family. We do not, nor should we ever, allow the stupidity of racism or any other hate (yes, I said hate) to come among us or, WORSE, be acknowledged. We cannot control the ignorance of others, but we can stand high above it. We shall not be soiled. |
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| [spapad] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:25:25 AM | |
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I was just thinking the same thing Strat.
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| [_strat_] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:18:08 AM | |
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Well, if we go back far enough, all humans can trace their descent to the missing link. Which makes arguing about races even more pointless than it already is.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:06:36 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Personally, as a "proud white man" myself, I am disgusted by the whole thing. I refuse to comment directly to this cretin so I will speak to our group.
When we allow ourselves to be taken down a path of foul ignorance, we also allow ourselves to be drawn down to the level of the low life to which we respond. Further, we do a great injustice to our membership. You see, we also enjoy the "company" we keep and enjoy the true "art" of the music which defines us. BUT, WE do not allow color, religion, race or country of origin to shadow what it means to be a "true" fan. Accordingly, WE do not see things so simply and WE choose to take a more "enlightend" and eclectic approach to our lives.
I will always be "proud" of my heritage. Moreover, I am proud to be part of such a widely diverse group. We have broken the bonds of ignorance and embraced all. Truth be told, unless you are an American Indian, you are NOT of this land. You are an immigrant. Whether that be of white, European heritage or black, Hispanic, Asian or anything else. How that could possibly be missed is beyond me, but I digress.
We are a family. We do not, nor should we ever, allow the stupidity of racism or any other hate (yes, I said hate) to come among us or, WORSE, be acknowledged. We cannot control the ignorance of others, but we can stand high above it. We shall not be soiled. |
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| [_strat_] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:16:35 AM | |
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Is it a stretch to assume that he is offended by the standard black background? He is probably offended by the night too - being that its so black.
Stormfront (the URL he had) has a pretty nasty reputation. Not that its illegal or anything, but being a member there sure does tell a lot about a persons intelligence... Or the lack of it. I guess he shit his pants when the first responses started to roll in, and deleted it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by adrianaec_88 from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:44:30 AM)| | | adrianaec_88 wrote: | | hahahHAHAHAH!!!! XD with the white backround and everything LOL!
dear if your a proud white man, why did you removed you url after I told guido about it.... not so proud now?
"I do not hate other ethnic groups, I just do not like them or trust them" LOL like Raul Garza said "I'm not a racist, I just don't like black people"
I personally invite you to visit Southamerica, you really should know how we receive peole like you here, and bring your friends too, we'll give you a nice and warm welcome  .... you should come and visit these lands.. oh why not? I imagine your not like those fucking scumbags that are proud of their phylosophy and believes only behind their keyboard right? ;)
oh and let us all know about your "tastes" in music, we are all waiting
(Quoting Message by Racist from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:32:02 AM)
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| Because I'm a proud white man with discriminating tastes in music and in the company I keep. I perfer the Art, Music and the company of white people. I do not hate other ethnic groups I just do not like them or trust them. For having a sense of pride and loving Heavy Metal I've been called this many times anyway. I say so be it, so what of it. Most people do not understand what the real meaning of it is anyway. If you love your people as I do you might be a racist too. LOL ;) Edited at: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:33:06 AM |
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| [Deep Freeze] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:06:36 AM | |
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Personally, as a "proud white man" myself, I am disgusted by the whole thing. I refuse to comment directly to this cretin so I will speak to our group.
When we allow ourselves to be taken down a path of foul ignorance, we also allow ourselves to be drawn down to the level of the low life to which we respond. Further, we do a great injustice to our membership. You see, we also enjoy the "company" we keep and enjoy the true "art" of the music which defines us. BUT, WE do not allow color, religion, race or country of origin to shadow what it means to be a "true" fan. Accordingly, WE do not see things so simply and WE choose to take a more "enlightend" and eclectic approach to our lives.
I will always be "proud" of my heritage. Moreover, I am proud to be part of such a widely diverse group. We have broken the bonds of ignorance and embraced all. Truth be told, unless you are an American Indian, you are NOT of this land. You are an immigrant. Whether that be of white, European heritage or black, Hispanic, Asian or anything else. How that could possibly be missed is beyond me, but I digress.
We are a family. We do not, nor should we ever, allow the stupidity of racism or any other hate (yes, I said hate) to come among us or, WORSE, be acknowledged. We cannot control the ignorance of others, but we can stand high above it. We shall not be soiled. |
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| [adrianaec_88] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:44:30 AM | |
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hahahHAHAHAH!!!! XD with the white backround and everything LOL!
dear if your a proud white man, why did you removed you url after I told guido about it.... not so proud now?
"I do not hate other ethnic groups, I just do not like them or trust them" LOL like Raul Garza said "I'm not a racist, I just don't like black people"
I personally invite you to visit Southamerica, you really should know how we receive peole like you here, and bring your friends too, we'll give you a nice and warm welcome .... you should come and visit these lands.. oh why not? I imagine your not like those fucking scumbags that are proud of their phylosophy and believes only behind their keyboard right? ;)
oh and let us all know about your "tastes" in music, we are all waiting
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Racist from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:32:02 AM)
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| Because I'm a proud white man with discriminating tastes in music and in the company I keep. I perfer the Art, Music and the company of white people. I do not hate other ethnic groups I just do not like them or trust them. For having a sense of pride and loving Heavy Metal I've been called this many times anyway. I say so be it, so what of it. Most people do not understand what the real meaning of it is anyway. If you love your people as I do you might be a racist too. LOL ;) Edited at: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:33:06 AM |
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| [Bev] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:24:45 AM | |
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LOL ... right next to all the truisms, held dear, by authors of Wiki-(dom)
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:19:56 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | You mean the secret plan of gays to take over the world and make us all wear pink leather pants? I thought that only existed in the imagination of Conservapedia editors.
| | | Bev wrote: | | Oh come now gentlemen. You're educated. Haven't you heard / read of the homosexual racist hidden agenda?!
Having written that, I will note, next to fanatical religious sects, racism (of any kind) scares the piss out of me.
I'll have no further involvement in this type of discussion.
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| [_strat_] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:19:56 AM | |
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You mean the secret plan of gays to take over the world and make us all wear pink leather pants? I thought that only existed in the imagination of Conservapedia editors.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bev from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:15:18 AM)| | | Bev wrote: | | Oh come now gentlemen. You're educated. Haven't you heard / read of the homosexual racist hidden agenda?!
Having written that, I will note, next to fanatical religious sects, racism (of any kind) scares the piss out of me.
I'll have no further involvement in this type of discussion.
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| [Bev] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:15:18 AM | |
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Oh come now gentlemen. You're educated. Haven't you heard / read of the homosexual racist hidden agenda?!
Having written that, I will note, next to fanatical religious sects, racism (of any kind) scares the piss out of me.
I'll have no further involvement in this type of discussion.
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| [_strat_] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:44:53 AM | |
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That is strange. Giving so much praise to Rob in one post, would he bash gays in another? Well... IDK, I think that we are overloading his mental capabilities already. Maybe he will just shit his pants and leave?
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