Bye angel! Saw the typo had to fix it.

		Tephra Rising wrote:
		Most of the time the summers are pretty hot (it's desert, remember).  The Cascades shield us from most of the rain that comes in from the Pacific.  Last July 4th it got up to 103 here so yes, it does get pretty toasty.  Another benefit of living here is that when it does get too hot you can escape up in the mountains where it's cooler.  Also we don't have the humidity either so that makes it nice. Listen, I have been sitting at this computer all day so I think I am going to get outside for a little bit.  I'll talk to you in a while, OK?

We do indeed have Lesotho surrounded! lol another very beautiful place should you ever get to see it.

However, sound like you live in paradise!  I hear what you're saying about the wrong kinds of people moving into the area, that can really put a bummer on things. Don't give up on owning your own house there one day, I believe everything is possible eventually. We've also got horrific housing prices too at the moment but our housing market is about to collapse and housing will become cheaper pretty soon from now. \

Are you really a mountain climber? That is so cool!! I'm more into hiking, we never had anything major to climb nearby but we've got some killer hiking trails around.

		Tephra Rising wrote:
		Well if it makes you feel any better, I could always identify South Africa on the map as the country with the "hole" in it (that hole being Lesotho which I think is the only country in the world completely surrounded by another one). Anyway........I live in Central Oregon which is a beautiful place, a combination of pine forests topped by high, snowcapped dormant volcanoes, wild rivers and high desert.  Big mecca for skiers, mountain bikers, hikers and mountain climbers (I'm in that last category).  Unfortunately all this natural beauty has its downside......it's currently America's most over-priced housing market (which is why I will probably never be able to afford my own home here) and all the wrong kinds of people are moving here (and they keep on coming).  But I consider it home, have moved away twice and regretted the move both times, so here I stay.

we're freezing here in africa.. very cold and wet but I'm surviving lol.

Vail are you guys having some sort of heatwave or normal weather for this time of year?

		Head banger wrote:
		well, its windy, and I screwed up taping the f1 race, other than that, its good you?      joedraper wrote: Good morning/ afternoon whatever time of day it is.. How's sunday going for you all so far?

more nuts

but, on a rainy day, its look for nuts or vacume

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080622/oddities/lifestyle_australia_britain_auction_offbeat

well, its windy, and I screwed up taping the f1 race, other than that, its good

you?

		joedraper wrote:
		Good morning/ afternoon whatever time of day it is.. How's sunday going for you all so far?

A lot of that was fluctuations in the exchange rate.  then from the late 90's to the mid 00's it was the other way, stuff here was comparitivly cheaper.  we exported a ton of cars, now, we import from the US.

but, damn we pay a lot of taxes for our socialized medicare.  I actualy think that today is the day i have paid all my taxes and get to keep the rest that I earn.

when does that happen in the states?

		TIMBONI wrote:
		Don't give it a second thought.  I had a girlfriend back in Massachusetts who had family in P.E.I. ( Prince Edward Island, Metal Jesus' home )  and even as far back as the '80s they would come down to the states and buy like crazy.  I think the socialized medicine seriously devalues their economy.      DemonCat wrote: Well that shoots down my theory about the U.S. gas prices being hiped to support the war in Afghanastan. I didn't know it was that high in Canada.      Head banger wrote: think our dollar is worth more, so its probably only $5 beer in a bar is probably cheaper      TIMBONI wrote: Damn !  Disregarding the exchange rate, just the conversion from Litres to Gallons makes it $5.16 per gallon !      Head banger wrote: us gallon is 3.88 L dunno the exchange rate funny, we had a different gallon, which was bigger. if the dollar is close to yours, which I think its within 5% we are getting screwed.  damn taxes      TIMBONI wrote: What's the exchange rate and conversion to gallons ?  Too many beers for math right now.      Head banger wrote: $1.33 here of course thats canadian dollars and liters, dunno, dont want to do that math.  probably more than anywhere in the states, it usualy is.      Vaillant 3.0 wrote: Its alright!! It does get kind of hard to identify people in cyberspace at times. Anyway, gas prices in SoCal are in the $4.50s and above. Not a great time to drive.      Tephra Rising wrote: Vail, please forgive me if I have said anything here that could be insensitive, etc.  Here in cyber space sometimes it's hard to sort out genders, orientations, etc.  So forgive me for any case of mistaken identity.  I can relate if your having trouble regarding affairs of the heart.  I've had mine kicked in many times.  Anyway, I just wanted to tell you you have my sympathies.

Aww...its a cute little thing, though. Oh well...

DIE!!!!! 

		Tephra Rising wrote:
		YES!!!!   AAAAIIGGGGHHHH MAKE IT GO AWAY!!!!

Bye, HB!!

		Head banger wrote:
		well, it does cost more to get gas to these places.  I heard some are having trouble getting it at all now.  would love to do that drive well, I should be in bed, think I have shit to do tomorow nice to chat with you all for a bit      Tephra Rising wrote: Back in 1989 I did a 4-day marathon drive from Alaska through the Yukon Territory and northern BC to get to Washington State and back (2300 miles one-way).  I remember some of the gas prices in the more remote stops along the Alcan Highway were approaching highway robbery as they were the only place you could stop for gas for 100 or so miles, if not longer, also remember the confusion of converting liters to gallons and kilometers to miles......I suck at math, even when I'm cold sober.

well, it does cost more to get gas to these places.  I heard some are having trouble getting it at all now.  would love to do that drive

well, I should be in bed, think I have shit to do tomorow
nice to chat with you all for a bit

		Tephra Rising wrote:
		Back in 1989 I did a 4-day marathon drive from Alaska through the Yukon Territory and northern BC to get to Washington State and back (2300 miles one-way).  I remember some of the gas prices in the more remote stops along the Alcan Highway were approaching highway robbery as they were the only place you could stop for gas for 100 or so miles, if not longer, also remember the confusion of converting liters to gallons and kilometers to miles......I suck at math, even when I'm cold sober.

Nope. I'm a girl with an "uptightness" problem.

		Tephra Rising wrote:
		I had a nice shoulder-length 'do until about 2000 when my "inferior genetics" (thanks Mom) took over and it was either cut it short or apply to Colonial Williamsburg to play Ben Franklin.  I keep it short these days but just can't quite bring myself to go "chrome dome" quite yet.  (I really, really miss my hair.) Is Vaillant suffering from lady trouble?  If so, I feel for ya bro, 2 failed marriages under my belt and at 40 it isn't exactly getting easier to find Miss Right.  Had a fantastic date with a great gal about 2 weeks ago, one of the best dates I think I've ever had, was really crazy about her but she let me know on no uncertain terms she didn't have those kind of feelings for me.  So I can relate.  I still search against all odds for Miss Right.  Love sucks sometimes......(oh well, we were 200 miles apart anyway.  Long-distance never seems to work for me.)

Yes, I am a male (last time I checked anyway).......yup, still there.

I do that sometimes too, making fun of little quirks in the music she hears. We do that to each other every once in a while as our strange way of bonding.
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		DemonCat wrote:
		Maybe it's one of those things where she saw the seriousness of it, and threw out some sarcasm. Try to look at it that way, and see if it that's not what it was. Then maybe you can appreciate it better, and share more. I may be stepping out of bounds here, and be dead wrong, but it's better to share what's important to you w/her, than to drift apart, from a misunderstanding.      Vaillant 3.0 wrote:   She knows English pretty well despite being from Mexico, so she understood the lyrics. Only problem is she likes to poke fun at anything that's supposed to be serious. Its one reason why I don't share most of my music with her.      DemonCat wrote:   You may do better by showing her the lyrics. At least that's how I connected w/my mom w/Ozzy's Miracle Man. She'd seen the story on the news, and I shared Ozzys funny poke at them. It was certainly "a moment".      Vaillant 3.0 wrote:   I think my mom is pretty tolerant to it, but she wouldn't hear it on a daily basis. She allows me to listen to what I like, as long as I do well in school. I only showed her Nostradamus CD because she knew about the prophet and thought he was very wise. If anything, she made fun of one of the songs.  As far as having something in common with your son at that level, I think its great!! The more you have in common with your son the more you two can bond, IMO.      DemonCat wrote:   Is your mom usually hip to heavy metal? I mean...I know my son thinks I'm a cool dad, and he also understands that I'm still his parent, and NOT his friend, but we have a blast so far together in life with each others company. That's been very important to me...that I could identify with him in whatever he may be going through. Am I taking that to a more intense level? Is it too much?      Vaillant 3.0 wrote:   I'll ask her in a little bit. She's in the living room watching a Mission Impossible movie en Español.    (Quoting Message by DemonCat from Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:57:48 PM)   DemonCat wrote:   My mom would have never made it through the first chord. Yer lucky! Gonna have to ask her opinion sometime, and share it w/us.      Vaillant 3.0 wrote:   That was cool!!! I shared my Nostradamus CD with my mom on the car today on the way to the store. She heard the 1st CD, from Dawn of Creation to War. She seems to have liked it!! She didn't give me her opinion, though.      DemonCat wrote:   Hot, and sweaty, but nowehere near what Tim just went through. My story's simple. My son, and I just finished a full performance of Nostradamus on air guitar...standing up on the jaguar shoe shaped chairs...jumping all over the living room, and putting on a stage show to no-one. LOL Had a blast, but sweating profusely atm.      Vaillant 3.0 wrote:   Hey, DC!!!! How's it going??      DemonCat wrote:   Howdy Tim. and Vail!!! Good to see some great friends on here at the same time I am for a change! Edited at: Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:00:12 AM

One of my favorite albums...oops CDs. LOL

I've always said Queensryche was "thinking mans" heavy metal. Most people don't understand it, yet it seems they did, and still put it down. Sad IMO.

		TIMBONI wrote:
		That can be frustrating.  I had a similar experience when I tried to share Queensryche's "Operation Mindcrime" with my parents.  They called it "subversive counter culture paranoia".  As you can tell by the fact that I remember that, it left an impression.  I had always thought my parents were more intelligent and open than that.      Vaillant 3.0 wrote: She knows English pretty well despite being from Mexico, so she understood the lyrics. Only problem is she likes to poke fun at anything that's supposed to be serious. Its one reason why I don't share most of my music with her.      DemonCat wrote: You may do better by showing her the lyrics. At least that's how I connected w/my mom w/Ozzy's Miracle Man. She'd seen the story on the news, and I shared Ozzys funny poke at them. It was certainly "a moment".      Vaillant 3.0 wrote: I think my mom is pretty tolerant to it, but she wouldn't hear it on a daily basis. She allows me to listen to what I like, as long as I do well in school. I only showed her Nostradamus CD because she knew about the prophet and thought he was very wise. If anything, she made fun of one of the songs.  As far as having something in common with your son at that level, I think its great!! The more you have in common with your son the more you two can bond, IMO.      DemonCat wrote: Is your mom usually hip to heavy metal? I mean...I know my son thinks I'm a cool dad, and he also understands that I'm still his parent, and NOT his friend, but we have a blast so far together in life with each others company. That's been very important to me...that I could identify with him in whatever he may be going through. Am I taking that to a more intense level? Is it too much?      Vaillant 3.0 wrote: I'll ask her in a little bit. She's in the living room watching a Mission Impossible movie en Español.    (Quoting Message by DemonCat from Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:57:48 PM)   DemonCat wrote:   My mom would have never made it through the first chord. Yer lucky! Gonna have to ask her opinion sometime, and share it w/us.      Vaillant 3.0 wrote:   That was cool!!! I shared my Nostradamus CD with my mom on the car today on the way to the store. She heard the 1st CD, from Dawn of Creation to War. She seems to have liked it!! She didn't give me her opinion, though.      DemonCat wrote:   Hot, and sweaty, but nowehere near what Tim just went through. My story's simple. My son, and I just finished a full performance of Nostradamus on air guitar...standing up on the jaguar shoe shaped chairs...jumping all over the living room, and putting on a stage show to no-one. LOL Had a blast, but sweating profusely atm.      Vaillant 3.0 wrote:   Hey, DC!!!! How's it going??      DemonCat wrote:   Howdy Tim. and Vail!!! Good to see some great friends on here at the same time I am for a change! Edited at: Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:00:12 AM