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| [_strat_] Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:44:30 PM | |
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Well, I did mean same-sex marriages, as opposed to marriages between people of different races/ethnicities. Not that either is wrong, and certainly isnt wrong if its "frowned upon".
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:18:23 AM)| |  | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | | Mixed marriages? Still frowned upon in most modern societies. a. Hammerstein |
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| [Head banger] Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:36:25 PM | |
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I say mary who you want. funny story when one canadian province (I forget which) legalized gay mariage they forgot to legalize their divorce.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Friday, May 15, 2009 6:25:32 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | I honestly believe that most people who profess to be gay were in fact born that way, and if they choose to share their lives in a union with someone, why shouldn't they get the same treatment under the laws that we all get. That said, since 50 percent of marriages fail, let them also enjoy the hardships of that aspect as well. They should be treated just like the rest of us! It's only fair.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ok... Since the topic stalled a bit, how about something new? And I know that HB will come rushing to my side now...
Same sex marriage, yay or nay? And please, no miss USA, or miss California, or whatever that shit was about. |
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:28:01 AM | |
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YES...TIS' A SILLY PLANET  ...I MARRIED A HUMAN ONCE,SHE WAS DELIGHTFUL,SO I DON'T REALLY SEE THE PROBLEM WITH MIXED MIXED MARRIAGES...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:18:23 AM)| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | | Mixed marriages? Still frowned upon in most modern societies. a. Hammerstein |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:20:48 AM | |
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Just think how this could benefit the US Goverment, the could penalize more people with the Marriage TAX... LMAO
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Friday, May 15, 2009 6:25:32 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | I honestly believe that most people who profess to be gay were in fact born that way, and if they choose to share their lives in a union with someone, why shouldn't they get the same treatment under the laws that we all get. That said, since 50 percent of marriages fail, let them also enjoy the hardships of that aspect as well. They should be treated just like the rest of us! It's only fair.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ok... Since the topic stalled a bit, how about something new? And I know that HB will come rushing to my side now...
Same sex marriage, yay or nay? And please, no miss USA, or miss California, or whatever that shit was about. |
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| [BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:18:23 AM | |
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| Mixed marriages? Still frowned upon in most modern societies. a. Hammerstein |
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| [_strat_] Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:45:31 AM | |
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I agree. Basicly, if we go into laws, I think that the only requirement should be that people who want to get married all consent, and are adults. No requierments to the gender.
Although, since they should be treated like the rest of us, we must keep in mind that they are not privileged. Infact its quite the opposite.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Friday, May 15, 2009 6:25:32 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | I honestly believe that most people who profess to be gay were in fact born that way, and if they choose to share their lives in a union with someone, why shouldn't they get the same treatment under the laws that we all get. That said, since 50 percent of marriages fail, let them also enjoy the hardships of that aspect as well. They should be treated just like the rest of us! It's only fair.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ok... Since the topic stalled a bit, how about something new? And I know that HB will come rushing to my side now...
Same sex marriage, yay or nay? And please, no miss USA, or miss California, or whatever that shit was about. |
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| [spapad] Friday, May 15, 2009 6:25:32 PM | |
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I honestly believe that most people who profess to be gay were in fact born that way, and if they choose to share their lives in a union with someone, why shouldn't they get the same treatment under the laws that we all get. That said, since 50 percent of marriages fail, let them also enjoy the hardships of that aspect as well. They should be treated just like the rest of us! It's only fair.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, May 15, 2009 5:28:07 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ok... Since the topic stalled a bit, how about something new? And I know that HB will come rushing to my side now...
Same sex marriage, yay or nay? And please, no miss USA, or miss California, or whatever that shit was about. |
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| [_strat_] Friday, May 15, 2009 5:28:07 PM | |
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Ok... Since the topic stalled a bit, how about something new? And I know that HB will come rushing to my side now...
Same sex marriage, yay or nay? And please, no miss USA, or miss California, or whatever that shit was about. |
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| [BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:21:44 PM | |
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| How do you look at your parents the next morning? How does that parent look at you, now? And if the grand-parents know, then how do you look at your grandparents again? I would asssume that the discomfort level would be rather obvious. And the silence deafening. It just sends the wrong message, as the message you give your child is the one that your child takes out into the world. For any parent that is alright with this, is this the message that you want to pass on your child? Are these your standards, values, and principles? Or lack thereof? Being a parent is a job and a priviledge. And being a parental example is not easy. It's not supposed to be easy. Being responsible is not easy. But it is owed to the child. To be the parent, not the best friend of big sister or brother. Then don't need more friends. They only have one (or two) parents. That is what you are supposed to be. To heck with all the New Age ways of child rearing and the buddy-reward system. They can stuff it! a. Hammerstein |
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| [_strat_] Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:07:37 AM | |
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Oh, now thats just cruel... The poor girl had to wait in the closet while you were having dinner? Lol...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:42:33 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, I suppose this is as good a thread as any to tell the story. Not all THAT much to tell, actually. I had a girlfriend (Barbie..YES! Her real name) back when I was about 16 or 17. One night, I snuck her into my room. I planned to go in with her after dinner. My younger brother happened into my room and found her (with no clothes) in my closet. HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TRUE story!! He was all bug-eyed and scared! Came to me in a panic. I got him to keep quiet and I went to bed. She left after my parents went to work in the morning.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | A girl in the closet?!?! Did you have them on stock, or something?
Sorry, but that just made me laugh out loud...
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm. Now THIS is an interesting question! You know, I have a problem with it all together but I really think that has to do with upbringing. I mean, there is just NO way I would allow my son or daughter to have a girlfriend or boyfriend stay the night. Period. In fact, even at eighteen there is a lack of mental development and yet we consider them "adults". HA!!!!!!!!!! The fact is, children are not able to make that kind of decision (sexual activity) and understand its ramifications, so they should not be put into that kind of situation in the first place.
HB makes the point that they will find a way. This is quite true, however, I do not want to "appear" to be against casual sex. I AM against it. At least as far as children are concerned. I do not think allowing children to wear make up is wise. Or watch questionable movies. Or speak using foul language. Or drink alcohol (under adult supervision). The point is, as parents, we must establish boundaries and make it clear as to why they are not to be broached. It is not a "control" issue. It is a decency issue. It is how parents teach values. You remember those, don't you? Values? Some of us do.
HB is right. They are going to "do it". We did. My parents did. Their parents did. The point is, it is our responsibility to guide them towards understanding what it means to have self-respect. How to conduct oneself in society. My parents would NEVER have allowed me to bring a girlfriend over for the night. Never. Of course, I did hide one in my bedroom closet once.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! True story but not for this post!!! HAHAHAHAA!!!
It is a matter of leading them in the right directions and showing them what is expected of decent society. Children actually DO look to parents for that kind of thing...believe it or not! It is important that we establish the tent poles of decency and build that for them. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:42:33 AM | |
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, I suppose this is as good a thread as any to tell the story. Not all THAT much to tell, actually. I had a girlfriend (Barbie..YES! Her real name) back when I was about 16 or 17. One night, I snuck her into my room. I planned to go in with her after dinner. My younger brother happened into my room and found her (with no clothes) in my closet. HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TRUE story!! He was all bug-eyed and scared! Came to me in a panic. I got him to keep quiet and I went to bed. She left after my parents went to work in the morning.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:28:16 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | A girl in the closet?!?! Did you have them on stock, or something?
Sorry, but that just made me laugh out loud...
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm. Now THIS is an interesting question! You know, I have a problem with it all together but I really think that has to do with upbringing. I mean, there is just NO way I would allow my son or daughter to have a girlfriend or boyfriend stay the night. Period. In fact, even at eighteen there is a lack of mental development and yet we consider them "adults". HA!!!!!!!!!! The fact is, children are not able to make that kind of decision (sexual activity) and understand its ramifications, so they should not be put into that kind of situation in the first place.
HB makes the point that they will find a way. This is quite true, however, I do not want to "appear" to be against casual sex. I AM against it. At least as far as children are concerned. I do not think allowing children to wear make up is wise. Or watch questionable movies. Or speak using foul language. Or drink alcohol (under adult supervision). The point is, as parents, we must establish boundaries and make it clear as to why they are not to be broached. It is not a "control" issue. It is a decency issue. It is how parents teach values. You remember those, don't you? Values? Some of us do.
HB is right. They are going to "do it". We did. My parents did. Their parents did. The point is, it is our responsibility to guide them towards understanding what it means to have self-respect. How to conduct oneself in society. My parents would NEVER have allowed me to bring a girlfriend over for the night. Never. Of course, I did hide one in my bedroom closet once.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! True story but not for this post!!! HAHAHAHAA!!!
It is a matter of leading them in the right directions and showing them what is expected of decent society. Children actually DO look to parents for that kind of thing...believe it or not! It is important that we establish the tent poles of decency and build that for them. |
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| [spapad] Tuesday, May 12, 2009 6:02:16 PM | |
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My answer to that is simple and direct! NOT ON MY WATCH!!!! A good parent would never encourage such behavior. Even when my child reaches her older college years and wants to bring home Mr. Right to meet the fam. on spring break, there will be NO sharing a room! My house, my rules! Once she's married would be the only time she will bring a male into my house and share a room with him.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:38:30 AM)| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | | QUESTION OF THE DAY: "When is it okay to allow a teenagers boyfriend or girlfriend to sleep over?" a. Hammerstein |
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| [ron h] Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:22:41 PM | |
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As a father of an 18 year old daughter who I do not live with, I am left with my opinion vs. her mothers' and my daughter is left to make up her own mind. This was not the case when she was a minor, but my oh my how things changed when that magic number (18) rolled in.
Personally, I find it hard to believe that she would take the chance of throwing away all her efforts in school to make the grades she needed to in order to get into a decent college by risking an unplanned pregnancy by having sex (which is what happens when bf/gf get to stay the night). We all know that if they want to do the deed, they will do it.
I'm at a point in my life (and my daughter's) that I have no choice but to rely on her own morals and values that have been instilled and taught to her throughout her life. Prior to now, there was never any real discussion about it as her and her mother both knew that there was nothing that could be said in a manner to which I would be understanding of or persuaded to ever go along with any situation that would allow that to happen.
I'm not from an age where the kid has to understand why a parent thinks the way they do. Kids nowadays seem to think everythings negotiable with their parents. I don't believe so. This is a tough topic, we all dealt with it growing up, and those of us that are parents get the pleasure of going through it again and again.
I know I wrote earlier that if they want to do it that they'll do it, this much is true, but I think it's irresponsible parenting to roll the red carpet out for them. |
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| [BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:48:46 PM | |
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http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Being_The_Parent_And_The_Friend.html
Edited at: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:59:54 PM |
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| [_strat_] Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:28:16 PM | |
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A girl in the closet?!?! Did you have them on stock, or something?
Sorry, but that just made me laugh out loud...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:19:07 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm. Now THIS is an interesting question! You know, I have a problem with it all together but I really think that has to do with upbringing. I mean, there is just NO way I would allow my son or daughter to have a girlfriend or boyfriend stay the night. Period. In fact, even at eighteen there is a lack of mental development and yet we consider them "adults". HA!!!!!!!!!! The fact is, children are not able to make that kind of decision (sexual activity) and understand its ramifications, so they should not be put into that kind of situation in the first place.
HB makes the point that they will find a way. This is quite true, however, I do not want to "appear" to be against casual sex. I AM against it. At least as far as children are concerned. I do not think allowing children to wear make up is wise. Or watch questionable movies. Or speak using foul language. Or drink alcohol (under adult supervision). The point is, as parents, we must establish boundaries and make it clear as to why they are not to be broached. It is not a "control" issue. It is a decency issue. It is how parents teach values. You remember those, don't you? Values? Some of us do.
HB is right. They are going to "do it". We did. My parents did. Their parents did. The point is, it is our responsibility to guide them towards understanding what it means to have self-respect. How to conduct oneself in society. My parents would NEVER have allowed me to bring a girlfriend over for the night. Never. Of course, I did hide one in my bedroom closet once.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! True story but not for this post!!! HAHAHAHAA!!!
It is a matter of leading them in the right directions and showing them what is expected of decent society. Children actually DO look to parents for that kind of thing...believe it or not! It is important that we establish the tent poles of decency and build that for them. |
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| [Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:55:12 AM | |
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I don't think that allowing your kids' b/f or g/f to sleep over is a good idea at all. Like Freeze pointed out, they don't fully understand the ramifications of such actions. For example, what if the girl gets pregnant???? Granted, if they're away at university, there isn't much of anything we can do about their promiscuity, but we have to instill in them the sense and the values to conduct themselves with a sense of decency. Fuck, I sound like a prude talking like this...However as a parent, I look at my children and think that if I don't instill in them the lessons I have learned in life and my values and sense of decency, and if they don't live by them, then I would have failed them. That all being said, there is no way in hell I would allow my daughter to sleep at some boy's house or my son to sleep at some girl's house. It sets a bad precedent for one, and let's them know they can get away with doing the wild thing wthout fear of reprisal.
Now that I've said my peace, it's time to shower and go see Star Trek!!!! Mr. Sulu...Engage! |
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| [BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:37:07 AM | |
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| Permissive parents that are more interested in being their child's best mate then their parent. The age of the child is irrelevant. As long as that child is a minor and living under the roof of the parents, and going to school, then those parents owe that child a duty of service to behave like responsible parents. Not their mates. It really matters not what little Sally or Tommy do. It really matters not what little Sally's or Tommy's parents condone. What matters is what I condone. And when they're out of school and on their own, then they can formulate theor own decision making process. But while they live under my roof and I pave their way morally and financially, the answer is and will always be a vehement NO! a. Hammerstein |
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| [Deep Freeze] Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:19:07 AM | |
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Hmm. Now THIS is an interesting question! You know, I have a problem with it all together but I really think that has to do with upbringing. I mean, there is just NO way I would allow my son or daughter to have a girlfriend or boyfriend stay the night. Period. In fact, even at eighteen there is a lack of mental development and yet we consider them "adults". HA!!!!!!!!!! The fact is, children are not able to make that kind of decision (sexual activity) and understand its ramifications, so they should not be put into that kind of situation in the first place.
HB makes the point that they will find a way. This is quite true, however, I do not want to "appear" to be against casual sex. I AM against it. At least as far as children are concerned. I do not think allowing children to wear make up is wise. Or watch questionable movies. Or speak using foul language. Or drink alcohol (under adult supervision). The point is, as parents, we must establish boundaries and make it clear as to why they are not to be broached. It is not a "control" issue. It is a decency issue. It is how parents teach values. You remember those, don't you? Values? Some of us do.
HB is right. They are going to "do it". We did. My parents did. Their parents did. The point is, it is our responsibility to guide them towards understanding what it means to have self-respect. How to conduct oneself in society. My parents would NEVER have allowed me to bring a girlfriend over for the night. Never. Of course, I did hide one in my bedroom closet once.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! True story but not for this post!!! HAHAHAHAA!!!
It is a matter of leading them in the right directions and showing them what is expected of decent society. Children actually DO look to parents for that kind of thing...believe it or not! It is important that we establish the tent poles of decency and build that for them. |
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| [Head banger] Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:20:10 AM | |
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teenager is a wide range, 13-19. then there is the how long dating, are they in separate rooms, do the room locations offer them an easy way to sneek in together. fact is, they will end up doing anything they want sexualy, regardless of letting one sleep over, but you need to look like you discourage casual sex.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:38:30 AM)| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | | QUESTION OF THE DAY: "When is it okay to allow a teenagers boyfriend or girlfriend to sleep over?" a. Hammerstein |
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