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Happy Monday kiddies!!! GREAT weekend for me!! And the caption for this picture- "So You Wanna be a Rock n Roll Star"?.. HAAA! The lovely Miss Nevada and ME!
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, November 10, 2012 12:24:44 PM | |
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Haha! I LOVE your mom!!! Hopefully we can do something about this before it's too late..... but as your mom said, it will take someone with a BRAIN. Good luck finding that in DC!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, November 09, 2012 10:43:35 PM)| |  | guidogodoy wrote: | | Mom's answer was back and quick. I quote: "GO PAM!!!" (verbatim). Added in that someone with a brain actually sees the larger dangers for the field.
I had to quote her words as she wrote them as she is not one for caps nor exclamation marks. I think we can say that she is 101% in your corner on this issue.
| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | YUUUUUUUUUP!!! That's a bunch of bullshit. They want their office visit $$$, and you know a specialist gets even more than your regular doc, so what $100+ to walk in and poke your stomach and write a script?
Here is the thing, I absolutely believe that EVERYONE should have good healthcare and not be denied. Having said that, the government can't even run itself, how the fuck is it going to run healthcare??? Yeah, it isn't. Just talked to my director and he said that EVERY hospital our size will lose $20-30 million per YEAR due to lack of reimbursement when Obamacare starts next year. So, everyone will be allowed healthcare, but there will be NO HOSPITALS to go to, because with lack of reimbursement, they will all fold!!! I'll be out of a job because the lab can't run without money! Our instruments and reagents aren't free you know! Look at every country with socialized medicine - everyone pays a shit ton in taxes, like 50% to PAY FOR IT! Oh, but not here. Sorry, you can't have something and expect not to pay for it! I sure as hell don't want to pay 50% of my paycheck for it!! Guido, ask your mom, I'm very interested in her take on this where the lab is concerned and tell her I said HI.. .
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Exactly! That was $40 (copay) x 2 as I went to see him on Tues and again on Wed. I can only imagine what he charged the govt. Any fool could have said "antibiotics" without needing me to actually see him again. Add in the cost of the Rx? Pushing $300. Fastest way to run into debt in this country. Healthcare.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats 40 bucks you paid, right. co pay with insurance.
same thing happens here, the doctors call you in to tell you your tests were fine, they just send the whole bill to the government, not just part...
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I'll throw in something very solid to the argument. I just had bloodwork done which came up perfect. Still, my regular physician preemptively sent me to a gastro. +$40 copay + three hours of my time. Both his nurse, him and me were scratching our heads about why I was sent to a gastro specialist with normal bloodwork. Still 3 hours waiting + $40. Odd thing was that night I went for a 7 mile run. Felt great until AFTER the run. Sparing the details, it got me back to the gastro again as I was really feeling ill (caught something in his office is my guess!). +$40 today plus $175 Rx as they weren't covered on my Rx plan. Doc only poked my stomach asking where it hurt and prescribed a general antibiotic! $40 for THAT?! WTF!!
I could only imagine what he REALLY made on both visits. Even better? I get a monthly phonecall today from some idiot who has the unfortunate task of asking about my health. THEY call but put me on hold for 20 minutes to only ask if I have any questions about my health. Only one I could think of was "why are you calling me...it raises my blood pressure." Bureaucracy at its finest. US healthcare system (aka Obamacare) SUCKS!!!
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| [guidogodoy] Friday, November 09, 2012 10:43:35 PM | |
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Mom's answer was back and quick. I quote: "GO PAM!!!" (verbatim). Added in that someone with a brain actually sees the larger dangers for the field.
I had to quote her words as she wrote them as she is not one for caps nor exclamation marks. I think we can say that she is 101% in your corner on this issue.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Friday, November 09, 2012 11:34:29 AM)| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | YUUUUUUUUUP!!! That's a bunch of bullshit. They want their office visit $$$, and you know a specialist gets even more than your regular doc, so what $100+ to walk in and poke your stomach and write a script?
Here is the thing, I absolutely believe that EVERYONE should have good healthcare and not be denied. Having said that, the government can't even run itself, how the fuck is it going to run healthcare??? Yeah, it isn't. Just talked to my director and he said that EVERY hospital our size will lose $20-30 million per YEAR due to lack of reimbursement when Obamacare starts next year. So, everyone will be allowed healthcare, but there will be NO HOSPITALS to go to, because with lack of reimbursement, they will all fold!!! I'll be out of a job because the lab can't run without money! Our instruments and reagents aren't free you know! Look at every country with socialized medicine - everyone pays a shit ton in taxes, like 50% to PAY FOR IT! Oh, but not here. Sorry, you can't have something and expect not to pay for it! I sure as hell don't want to pay 50% of my paycheck for it!! Guido, ask your mom, I'm very interested in her take on this where the lab is concerned and tell her I said HI.. .
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Exactly! That was $40 (copay) x 2 as I went to see him on Tues and again on Wed. I can only imagine what he charged the govt. Any fool could have said "antibiotics" without needing me to actually see him again. Add in the cost of the Rx? Pushing $300. Fastest way to run into debt in this country. Healthcare.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats 40 bucks you paid, right. co pay with insurance.
same thing happens here, the doctors call you in to tell you your tests were fine, they just send the whole bill to the government, not just part...
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I'll throw in something very solid to the argument. I just had bloodwork done which came up perfect. Still, my regular physician preemptively sent me to a gastro. +$40 copay + three hours of my time. Both his nurse, him and me were scratching our heads about why I was sent to a gastro specialist with normal bloodwork. Still 3 hours waiting + $40. Odd thing was that night I went for a 7 mile run. Felt great until AFTER the run. Sparing the details, it got me back to the gastro again as I was really feeling ill (caught something in his office is my guess!). +$40 today plus $175 Rx as they weren't covered on my Rx plan. Doc only poked my stomach asking where it hurt and prescribed a general antibiotic! $40 for THAT?! WTF!!
I could only imagine what he REALLY made on both visits. Even better? I get a monthly phonecall today from some idiot who has the unfortunate task of asking about my health. THEY call but put me on hold for 20 minutes to only ask if I have any questions about my health. Only one I could think of was "why are you calling me...it raises my blood pressure." Bureaucracy at its finest. US healthcare system (aka Obamacare) SUCKS!!!
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| [Becks] Friday, November 09, 2012 2:10:42 PM | |
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Straight income. Sounds like it's similar to here. Depends on your earnings though, 30% is about average. Our goods and services tax is 15%.
That's true HRMG, you can't expect something without having to pay for it! The only reason we get our medical care the way it is is because of the taxes we pay.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, November 09, 2012 7:45:30 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | straight income tax or overall taxation with property tax, sales tax, etc?
income here varies province to province, probably averages 35%. I am in one of the lowest provinces, I pay about 30%. if I earned more that would climb a bit.
total taxation is a little over 50% on average.
| | | Becks wrote: | | What's the tax rate there like? When I was working I think mine was about 30%.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats something that just bugs me no end. sorry. everyone here says its free, we pay so much bloody taxes...
| | | Becks wrote: | | Well I was over simplifying things - taxes everyone pays go towards paying for our public health system.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the government didnt pay, you did.
I am torn on this, I live in a country with socialized health care, and we were shipping pregnant women 5 hours away to montana to give birth. honestly, I know as a man I will be killed for this, but on the overall medical spectrum, a normal birth is fairly simple. C section, sure thats more involved, other complications, but a basic birth, we should be able to handle. need knee surgery, sure no problem, see your DR, from that first visit to surgery, 2 years. go to the USA, drop some cash, the same surgery you needed in 2 weeks.
I dont like the idea of people going bankrupt, or dying because they couldnt afford health care, but
and the idea our goverment proposes that we have the same service for everyone is crap. a pro hocky player (thats on ice to you down under folk) tears up his knee, he could have surgery in 24 hours. get hurt at work, 2 weeks. know the prime minister, similar. same guy who would have been 2 weeks if he got hurt at work gets hurt at home, could be 2 years. bogus.
| | | Becks wrote: | | The US is far from socialist, and as far as I can see (from all the way down here) isn't actually heading in that direction. Speaking from a country that basically has socialised health care, which while it has it's problems, is pretty bloody fantastic. Example, all my maternity care, pre and post natal, and my c-section as well as my hospital stay, etc etc, cost me nothing. Paid for by our government.
| | | guitardude wrote: | | Bud
The world may as well end, though that was only an injection of humor! I hate O`drama, he has destroyed the US as we knew it, and the fact that he was re-elected is amazing after the first four years. How the hell can it get any better when he forces socialism down our throats and breaks any damned law he so chooses to to force this on us. We need a business man to run the country, not a lawyer that is a loop hole specialist. Our economy is big business, that is why we need a businessman to run the place. Checks and balances brother , not check after check after check! 
| | | Budred wrote: | | Man, you're entitled to your opinions just like the rest of us but it is a little funny that you would rather
see the world end then have Obama as president. I was watching a video on youtube and someone posted that they want
him assassinated so we can heal. World ending and killings are what we need? OK.
Working together might help more but with these kind of attitudes...
On another note, it was hilarious watching his acceptance speech on "Fox News". You could see their anchors with a look of
disgust on their faces having to sit through it. I was in heaven. Then Bill O'Reilly, he was almost in tears! Excellent stuff.
What a Day!!!!
| | | guitardude wrote: | | Fuck the Democraps! After 12-21-12, nobody`s gonna give a flying shit anyway! Hope the Mayans weren`t wrong! Like half of the US was last night !!!   |
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| [guidogodoy] Friday, November 09, 2012 12:32:24 PM | |
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Will do! I'll report what I am sure to be Mom's ire ASAP.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Friday, November 09, 2012 11:34:29 AM)| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | YUUUUUUUUUP!!! That's a bunch of bullshit. They want their office visit $$$, and you know a specialist gets even more than your regular doc, so what $100+ to walk in and poke your stomach and write a script?
Here is the thing, I absolutely believe that EVERYONE should have good healthcare and not be denied. Having said that, the government can't even run itself, how the fuck is it going to run healthcare??? Yeah, it isn't. Just talked to my director and he said that EVERY hospital our size will lose $20-30 million per YEAR due to lack of reimbursement when Obamacare starts next year. So, everyone will be allowed healthcare, but there will be NO HOSPITALS to go to, because with lack of reimbursement, they will all fold!!! I'll be out of a job because the lab can't run without money! Our instruments and reagents aren't free you know! Look at every country with socialized medicine - everyone pays a shit ton in taxes, like 50% to PAY FOR IT! Oh, but not here. Sorry, you can't have something and expect not to pay for it! I sure as hell don't want to pay 50% of my paycheck for it!! Guido, ask your mom, I'm very interested in her take on this where the lab is concerned and tell her I said HI.. .
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Exactly! That was $40 (copay) x 2 as I went to see him on Tues and again on Wed. I can only imagine what he charged the govt. Any fool could have said "antibiotics" without needing me to actually see him again. Add in the cost of the Rx? Pushing $300. Fastest way to run into debt in this country. Healthcare.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats 40 bucks you paid, right. co pay with insurance.
same thing happens here, the doctors call you in to tell you your tests were fine, they just send the whole bill to the government, not just part...
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I'll throw in something very solid to the argument. I just had bloodwork done which came up perfect. Still, my regular physician preemptively sent me to a gastro. +$40 copay + three hours of my time. Both his nurse, him and me were scratching our heads about why I was sent to a gastro specialist with normal bloodwork. Still 3 hours waiting + $40. Odd thing was that night I went for a 7 mile run. Felt great until AFTER the run. Sparing the details, it got me back to the gastro again as I was really feeling ill (caught something in his office is my guess!). +$40 today plus $175 Rx as they weren't covered on my Rx plan. Doc only poked my stomach asking where it hurt and prescribed a general antibiotic! $40 for THAT?! WTF!!
I could only imagine what he REALLY made on both visits. Even better? I get a monthly phonecall today from some idiot who has the unfortunate task of asking about my health. THEY call but put me on hold for 20 minutes to only ask if I have any questions about my health. Only one I could think of was "why are you calling me...it raises my blood pressure." Bureaucracy at its finest. US healthcare system (aka Obamacare) SUCKS!!!
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Friday, November 09, 2012 11:34:29 AM | |
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YUUUUUUUUUP!!! That's a bunch of bullshit. They want their office visit $$$, and you know a specialist gets even more than your regular doc, so what $100+ to walk in and poke your stomach and write a script?
Here is the thing, I absolutely believe that EVERYONE should have good healthcare and not be denied. Having said that, the government can't even run itself, how the fuck is it going to run healthcare??? Yeah, it isn't. Just talked to my director and he said that EVERY hospital our size will lose $20-30 million per YEAR due to lack of reimbursement when Obamacare starts next year. So, everyone will be allowed healthcare, but there will be NO HOSPITALS to go to, because with lack of reimbursement, they will all fold!!! I'll be out of a job because the lab can't run without money! Our instruments and reagents aren't free you know! Look at every country with socialized medicine - everyone pays a shit ton in taxes, like 50% to PAY FOR IT! Oh, but not here. Sorry, you can't have something and expect not to pay for it! I sure as hell don't want to pay 50% of my paycheck for it!! Guido, ask your mom, I'm very interested in her take on this where the lab is concerned and tell her I said HI.. .
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:09:16 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Exactly! That was $40 (copay) x 2 as I went to see him on Tues and again on Wed. I can only imagine what he charged the govt. Any fool could have said "antibiotics" without needing me to actually see him again. Add in the cost of the Rx? Pushing $300. Fastest way to run into debt in this country. Healthcare.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats 40 bucks you paid, right. co pay with insurance.
same thing happens here, the doctors call you in to tell you your tests were fine, they just send the whole bill to the government, not just part...
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I'll throw in something very solid to the argument. I just had bloodwork done which came up perfect. Still, my regular physician preemptively sent me to a gastro. +$40 copay + three hours of my time. Both his nurse, him and me were scratching our heads about why I was sent to a gastro specialist with normal bloodwork. Still 3 hours waiting + $40. Odd thing was that night I went for a 7 mile run. Felt great until AFTER the run. Sparing the details, it got me back to the gastro again as I was really feeling ill (caught something in his office is my guess!). +$40 today plus $175 Rx as they weren't covered on my Rx plan. Doc only poked my stomach asking where it hurt and prescribed a general antibiotic! $40 for THAT?! WTF!!
I could only imagine what he REALLY made on both visits. Even better? I get a monthly phonecall today from some idiot who has the unfortunate task of asking about my health. THEY call but put me on hold for 20 minutes to only ask if I have any questions about my health. Only one I could think of was "why are you calling me...it raises my blood pressure." Bureaucracy at its finest. US healthcare system (aka Obamacare) SUCKS!!!
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| [Head banger] Friday, November 09, 2012 7:45:30 AM | |
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straight income tax or overall taxation with property tax, sales tax, etc?
income here varies province to province, probably averages 35%. I am in one of the lowest provinces, I pay about 30%. if I earned more that would climb a bit.
total taxation is a little over 50% on average.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:49:26 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | What's the tax rate there like? When I was working I think mine was about 30%.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats something that just bugs me no end. sorry. everyone here says its free, we pay so much bloody taxes...
| | | Becks wrote: | | Well I was over simplifying things - taxes everyone pays go towards paying for our public health system.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the government didnt pay, you did.
I am torn on this, I live in a country with socialized health care, and we were shipping pregnant women 5 hours away to montana to give birth. honestly, I know as a man I will be killed for this, but on the overall medical spectrum, a normal birth is fairly simple. C section, sure thats more involved, other complications, but a basic birth, we should be able to handle. need knee surgery, sure no problem, see your DR, from that first visit to surgery, 2 years. go to the USA, drop some cash, the same surgery you needed in 2 weeks.
I dont like the idea of people going bankrupt, or dying because they couldnt afford health care, but
and the idea our goverment proposes that we have the same service for everyone is crap. a pro hocky player (thats on ice to you down under folk) tears up his knee, he could have surgery in 24 hours. get hurt at work, 2 weeks. know the prime minister, similar. same guy who would have been 2 weeks if he got hurt at work gets hurt at home, could be 2 years. bogus.
| | | Becks wrote: | | The US is far from socialist, and as far as I can see (from all the way down here) isn't actually heading in that direction. Speaking from a country that basically has socialised health care, which while it has it's problems, is pretty bloody fantastic. Example, all my maternity care, pre and post natal, and my c-section as well as my hospital stay, etc etc, cost me nothing. Paid for by our government.
| | | guitardude wrote: | | Bud
The world may as well end, though that was only an injection of humor! I hate O`drama, he has destroyed the US as we knew it, and the fact that he was re-elected is amazing after the first four years. How the hell can it get any better when he forces socialism down our throats and breaks any damned law he so chooses to to force this on us. We need a business man to run the country, not a lawyer that is a loop hole specialist. Our economy is big business, that is why we need a businessman to run the place. Checks and balances brother , not check after check after check!
| | | Budred wrote: | | Man, you're entitled to your opinions just like the rest of us but it is a little funny that you would rather
see the world end then have Obama as president. I was watching a video on youtube and someone posted that they want
him assassinated so we can heal. World ending and killings are what we need? OK.
Working together might help more but with these kind of attitudes...
On another note, it was hilarious watching his acceptance speech on "Fox News". You could see their anchors with a look of
disgust on their faces having to sit through it. I was in heaven. Then Bill O'Reilly, he was almost in tears! Excellent stuff.
What a Day!!!!
| | | guitardude wrote: | | | Fuck the Democraps! After 12-21-12, nobody`s gonna give a flying shit anyway! Hope the Mayans weren`t wrong! Like half of the US was last night !!! |
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| [Head banger] Friday, November 09, 2012 7:43:47 AM | |
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I think that 50% of our government spending is health care. should look that up I supose
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:09:16 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Exactly! That was $40 (copay) x 2 as I went to see him on Tues and again on Wed. I can only imagine what he charged the govt. Any fool could have said "antibiotics" without needing me to actually see him again. Add in the cost of the Rx? Pushing $300. Fastest way to run into debt in this country. Healthcare.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats 40 bucks you paid, right. co pay with insurance.
same thing happens here, the doctors call you in to tell you your tests were fine, they just send the whole bill to the government, not just part...
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I'll throw in something very solid to the argument. I just had bloodwork done which came up perfect. Still, my regular physician preemptively sent me to a gastro. +$40 copay + three hours of my time. Both his nurse, him and me were scratching our heads about why I was sent to a gastro specialist with normal bloodwork. Still 3 hours waiting + $40. Odd thing was that night I went for a 7 mile run. Felt great until AFTER the run. Sparing the details, it got me back to the gastro again as I was really feeling ill (caught something in his office is my guess!). +$40 today plus $175 Rx as they weren't covered on my Rx plan. Doc only poked my stomach asking where it hurt and prescribed a general antibiotic! $40 for THAT?! WTF!!
I could only imagine what he REALLY made on both visits. Even better? I get a monthly phonecall today from some idiot who has the unfortunate task of asking about my health. THEY call but put me on hold for 20 minutes to only ask if I have any questions about my health. Only one I could think of was "why are you calling me...it raises my blood pressure." Bureaucracy at its finest. US healthcare system (aka Obamacare) SUCKS!!!
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| [Budred] Friday, November 09, 2012 2:07:11 AM | |
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Man I could respond but I really don't want a back and forth here. I've had too many already.
I was happy and wanted to express it but I don't want to keep posting just to irritate people here.
Take care man.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guitardude from Thursday, November 08, 2012 5:01:44 PM)| | | guitardude wrote: | | Bud
The world may as well end, though that was only an injection of humor! I hate O`drama, he has destroyed the US as we knew it, and the fact that he was re-elected is amazing after the first four years. How the hell can it get any better when he forces socialism down our throats and breaks any damned law he so chooses to to force this on us. We need a business man to run the country, not a lawyer that is a loop hole specialist. Our economy is big business, that is why we need a businessman to run the place. Checks and balances brother , not check after check after check!
| | | Budred wrote: | | Man, you're entitled to your opinions just like the rest of us but it is a little funny that you would rather
see the world end then have Obama as president. I was watching a video on youtube and someone posted that they want
him assassinated so we can heal. World ending and killings are what we need? OK.
Working together might help more but with these kind of attitudes...
On another note, it was hilarious watching his acceptance speech on "Fox News". You could see their anchors with a look of
disgust on their faces having to sit through it. I was in heaven. Then Bill O'Reilly, he was almost in tears! Excellent stuff.
What a Day!!!!
| | | guitardude wrote: | | | Fuck the Democraps! After 12-21-12, nobody`s gonna give a flying shit anyway! Hope the Mayans weren`t wrong! Like half of the US was last night !!! |
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| [Becks] Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:49:26 PM | |
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What's the tax rate there like? When I was working I think mine was about 30%.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:21:47 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats something that just bugs me no end. sorry. everyone here says its free, we pay so much bloody taxes...
| | | Becks wrote: | | Well I was over simplifying things - taxes everyone pays go towards paying for our public health system.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the government didnt pay, you did.
I am torn on this, I live in a country with socialized health care, and we were shipping pregnant women 5 hours away to montana to give birth. honestly, I know as a man I will be killed for this, but on the overall medical spectrum, a normal birth is fairly simple. C section, sure thats more involved, other complications, but a basic birth, we should be able to handle. need knee surgery, sure no problem, see your DR, from that first visit to surgery, 2 years. go to the USA, drop some cash, the same surgery you needed in 2 weeks.
I dont like the idea of people going bankrupt, or dying because they couldnt afford health care, but
and the idea our goverment proposes that we have the same service for everyone is crap. a pro hocky player (thats on ice to you down under folk) tears up his knee, he could have surgery in 24 hours. get hurt at work, 2 weeks. know the prime minister, similar. same guy who would have been 2 weeks if he got hurt at work gets hurt at home, could be 2 years. bogus.
| | | Becks wrote: | | The US is far from socialist, and as far as I can see (from all the way down here) isn't actually heading in that direction. Speaking from a country that basically has socialised health care, which while it has it's problems, is pretty bloody fantastic. Example, all my maternity care, pre and post natal, and my c-section as well as my hospital stay, etc etc, cost me nothing. Paid for by our government.
| | | guitardude wrote: | | Bud
The world may as well end, though that was only an injection of humor! I hate O`drama, he has destroyed the US as we knew it, and the fact that he was re-elected is amazing after the first four years. How the hell can it get any better when he forces socialism down our throats and breaks any damned law he so chooses to to force this on us. We need a business man to run the country, not a lawyer that is a loop hole specialist. Our economy is big business, that is why we need a businessman to run the place. Checks and balances brother , not check after check after check!
| | | Budred wrote: | | Man, you're entitled to your opinions just like the rest of us but it is a little funny that you would rather
see the world end then have Obama as president. I was watching a video on youtube and someone posted that they want
him assassinated so we can heal. World ending and killings are what we need? OK.
Working together might help more but with these kind of attitudes...
On another note, it was hilarious watching his acceptance speech on "Fox News". You could see their anchors with a look of
disgust on their faces having to sit through it. I was in heaven. Then Bill O'Reilly, he was almost in tears! Excellent stuff.
What a Day!!!!
| | | guitardude wrote: | | | Fuck the Democraps! After 12-21-12, nobody`s gonna give a flying shit anyway! Hope the Mayans weren`t wrong! Like half of the US was last night !!! |
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| [guidogodoy] Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:09:16 PM | |
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Exactly! That was $40 (copay) x 2 as I went to see him on Tues and again on Wed. I can only imagine what he charged the govt. Any fool could have said "antibiotics" without needing me to actually see him again. Add in the cost of the Rx? Pushing $300. Fastest way to run into debt in this country. Healthcare.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:29:14 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats 40 bucks you paid, right. co pay with insurance.
same thing happens here, the doctors call you in to tell you your tests were fine, they just send the whole bill to the government, not just part...
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I'll throw in something very solid to the argument. I just had bloodwork done which came up perfect. Still, my regular physician preemptively sent me to a gastro. +$40 copay + three hours of my time. Both his nurse, him and me were scratching our heads about why I was sent to a gastro specialist with normal bloodwork. Still 3 hours waiting + $40. Odd thing was that night I went for a 7 mile run. Felt great until AFTER the run. Sparing the details, it got me back to the gastro again as I was really feeling ill (caught something in his office is my guess!). +$40 today plus $175 Rx as they weren't covered on my Rx plan. Doc only poked my stomach asking where it hurt and prescribed a general antibiotic! $40 for THAT?! WTF!!
I could only imagine what he REALLY made on both visits. Even better? I get a monthly phonecall today from some idiot who has the unfortunate task of asking about my health. THEY call but put me on hold for 20 minutes to only ask if I have any questions about my health. Only one I could think of was "why are you calling me...it raises my blood pressure." Bureaucracy at its finest. US healthcare system (aka Obamacare) SUCKS!!!
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| [Head banger] Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:29:14 PM | |
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thats 40 bucks you paid, right. co pay with insurance.
same thing happens here, the doctors call you in to tell you your tests were fine, they just send the whole bill to the government, not just part...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:47:49 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I'll throw in something very solid to the argument. I just had bloodwork done which came up perfect. Still, my regular physician preemptively sent me to a gastro. +$40 copay + three hours of my time. Both his nurse, him and me were scratching our heads about why I was sent to a gastro specialist with normal bloodwork. Still 3 hours waiting + $40. Odd thing was that night I went for a 7 mile run. Felt great until AFTER the run. Sparing the details, it got me back to the gastro again as I was really feeling ill (caught something in his office is my guess!). +$40 today plus $175 Rx as they weren't covered on my Rx plan. Doc only poked my stomach asking where it hurt and prescribed a general antibiotic! $40 for THAT?! WTF!!
I could only imagine what he REALLY made on both visits. Even better? I get a monthly phonecall today from some idiot who has the unfortunate task of asking about my health. THEY call but put me on hold for 20 minutes to only ask if I have any questions about my health. Only one I could think of was "why are you calling me...it raises my blood pressure." Bureaucracy at its finest. US healthcare system (aka Obamacare) SUCKS!!!
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| [Head banger] Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:21:47 PM | |
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thats something that just bugs me no end. sorry. everyone here says its free, we pay so much bloody taxes...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:29:49 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Well I was over simplifying things - taxes everyone pays go towards paying for our public health system.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the government didnt pay, you did.
I am torn on this, I live in a country with socialized health care, and we were shipping pregnant women 5 hours away to montana to give birth. honestly, I know as a man I will be killed for this, but on the overall medical spectrum, a normal birth is fairly simple. C section, sure thats more involved, other complications, but a basic birth, we should be able to handle. need knee surgery, sure no problem, see your DR, from that first visit to surgery, 2 years. go to the USA, drop some cash, the same surgery you needed in 2 weeks.
I dont like the idea of people going bankrupt, or dying because they couldnt afford health care, but
and the idea our goverment proposes that we have the same service for everyone is crap. a pro hocky player (thats on ice to you down under folk) tears up his knee, he could have surgery in 24 hours. get hurt at work, 2 weeks. know the prime minister, similar. same guy who would have been 2 weeks if he got hurt at work gets hurt at home, could be 2 years. bogus.
| | | Becks wrote: | | The US is far from socialist, and as far as I can see (from all the way down here) isn't actually heading in that direction. Speaking from a country that basically has socialised health care, which while it has it's problems, is pretty bloody fantastic. Example, all my maternity care, pre and post natal, and my c-section as well as my hospital stay, etc etc, cost me nothing. Paid for by our government.
| | | guitardude wrote: | | Bud
The world may as well end, though that was only an injection of humor! I hate O`drama, he has destroyed the US as we knew it, and the fact that he was re-elected is amazing after the first four years. How the hell can it get any better when he forces socialism down our throats and breaks any damned law he so chooses to to force this on us. We need a business man to run the country, not a lawyer that is a loop hole specialist. Our economy is big business, that is why we need a businessman to run the place. Checks and balances brother , not check after check after check!
| | | Budred wrote: | | Man, you're entitled to your opinions just like the rest of us but it is a little funny that you would rather
see the world end then have Obama as president. I was watching a video on youtube and someone posted that they want
him assassinated so we can heal. World ending and killings are what we need? OK.
Working together might help more but with these kind of attitudes...
On another note, it was hilarious watching his acceptance speech on "Fox News". You could see their anchors with a look of
disgust on their faces having to sit through it. I was in heaven. Then Bill O'Reilly, he was almost in tears! Excellent stuff.
What a Day!!!!
| | | guitardude wrote: | | | Fuck the Democraps! After 12-21-12, nobody`s gonna give a flying shit anyway! Hope the Mayans weren`t wrong! Like half of the US was last night !!! |
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I'll throw in something very solid to the argument. I just had bloodwork done which came up perfect. Still, my regular physician preemptively sent me to a gastro. +$40 copay + three hours of my time. Both his nurse, him and me were scratching our heads about why I was sent to a gastro specialist with normal bloodwork. Still 3 hours waiting + $40. Odd thing was that night I went for a 7 mile run. Felt great until AFTER the run. Sparing the details, it got me back to the gastro again as I was really feeling ill (caught something in his office is my guess!). +$40 today plus $175 Rx as they weren't covered on my Rx plan. Doc only poked my stomach asking where it hurt and prescribed a general antibiotic! $40 for THAT?! WTF!!
I could only imagine what he REALLY made on both visits. Even better? I get a monthly phonecall today from some idiot who has the unfortunate task of asking about my health. THEY call but put me on hold for 20 minutes to only ask if I have any questions about my health. Only one I could think of was "why are you calling me...it raises my blood pressure." Bureaucracy at its finest. US healthcare system (aka Obamacare) SUCKS!!!
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| [Becks] Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:29:49 PM | |
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Well I was over simplifying things - taxes everyone pays go towards paying for our public health system.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:01:34 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | the government didnt pay, you did.
I am torn on this, I live in a country with socialized health care, and we were shipping pregnant women 5 hours away to montana to give birth. honestly, I know as a man I will be killed for this, but on the overall medical spectrum, a normal birth is fairly simple. C section, sure thats more involved, other complications, but a basic birth, we should be able to handle. need knee surgery, sure no problem, see your DR, from that first visit to surgery, 2 years. go to the USA, drop some cash, the same surgery you needed in 2 weeks.
I dont like the idea of people going bankrupt, or dying because they couldnt afford health care, but
and the idea our goverment proposes that we have the same service for everyone is crap. a pro hocky player (thats on ice to you down under folk) tears up his knee, he could have surgery in 24 hours. get hurt at work, 2 weeks. know the prime minister, similar. same guy who would have been 2 weeks if he got hurt at work gets hurt at home, could be 2 years. bogus.
| | | Becks wrote: | | The US is far from socialist, and as far as I can see (from all the way down here) isn't actually heading in that direction. Speaking from a country that basically has socialised health care, which while it has it's problems, is pretty bloody fantastic. Example, all my maternity care, pre and post natal, and my c-section as well as my hospital stay, etc etc, cost me nothing. Paid for by our government.
| | | guitardude wrote: | | Bud
The world may as well end, though that was only an injection of humor! I hate O`drama, he has destroyed the US as we knew it, and the fact that he was re-elected is amazing after the first four years. How the hell can it get any better when he forces socialism down our throats and breaks any damned law he so chooses to to force this on us. We need a business man to run the country, not a lawyer that is a loop hole specialist. Our economy is big business, that is why we need a businessman to run the place. Checks and balances brother , not check after check after check!
| | | Budred wrote: | | Man, you're entitled to your opinions just like the rest of us but it is a little funny that you would rather
see the world end then have Obama as president. I was watching a video on youtube and someone posted that they want
him assassinated so we can heal. World ending and killings are what we need? OK.
Working together might help more but with these kind of attitudes...
On another note, it was hilarious watching his acceptance speech on "Fox News". You could see their anchors with a look of
disgust on their faces having to sit through it. I was in heaven. Then Bill O'Reilly, he was almost in tears! Excellent stuff.
What a Day!!!!
| | | guitardude wrote: | | | Fuck the Democraps! After 12-21-12, nobody`s gonna give a flying shit anyway! Hope the Mayans weren`t wrong! Like half of the US was last night !!! |
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| [Head banger] Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:01:34 PM | |
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the government didnt pay, you did.
I am torn on this, I live in a country with socialized health care, and we were shipping pregnant women 5 hours away to montana to give birth. honestly, I know as a man I will be killed for this, but on the overall medical spectrum, a normal birth is fairly simple. C section, sure thats more involved, other complications, but a basic birth, we should be able to handle. need knee surgery, sure no problem, see your DR, from that first visit to surgery, 2 years. go to the USA, drop some cash, the same surgery you needed in 2 weeks.
I dont like the idea of people going bankrupt, or dying because they couldnt afford health care, but
and the idea our goverment proposes that we have the same service for everyone is crap. a pro hocky player (thats on ice to you down under folk) tears up his knee, he could have surgery in 24 hours. get hurt at work, 2 weeks. know the prime minister, similar. same guy who would have been 2 weeks if he got hurt at work gets hurt at home, could be 2 years. bogus.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:31:21 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | The US is far from socialist, and as far as I can see (from all the way down here) isn't actually heading in that direction. Speaking from a country that basically has socialised health care, which while it has it's problems, is pretty bloody fantastic. Example, all my maternity care, pre and post natal, and my c-section as well as my hospital stay, etc etc, cost me nothing. Paid for by our government.
| | | guitardude wrote: | | Bud
The world may as well end, though that was only an injection of humor! I hate O`drama, he has destroyed the US as we knew it, and the fact that he was re-elected is amazing after the first four years. How the hell can it get any better when he forces socialism down our throats and breaks any damned law he so chooses to to force this on us. We need a business man to run the country, not a lawyer that is a loop hole specialist. Our economy is big business, that is why we need a businessman to run the place. Checks and balances brother , not check after check after check!
| | | Budred wrote: | | Man, you're entitled to your opinions just like the rest of us but it is a little funny that you would rather
see the world end then have Obama as president. I was watching a video on youtube and someone posted that they want
him assassinated so we can heal. World ending and killings are what we need? OK.
Working together might help more but with these kind of attitudes...
On another note, it was hilarious watching his acceptance speech on "Fox News". You could see their anchors with a look of
disgust on their faces having to sit through it. I was in heaven. Then Bill O'Reilly, he was almost in tears! Excellent stuff.
What a Day!!!!
| | | guitardude wrote: | | | Fuck the Democraps! After 12-21-12, nobody`s gonna give a flying shit anyway! Hope the Mayans weren`t wrong! Like half of the US was last night !!! |
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| [Becks] Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:32:12 PM | |
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Not saying this to get in an argument by the way, just pointing out that big bad socialism isn't always a bad thing. In certain aspects. Capitalism certainly hasn't been going that well to be honest.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:31:21 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | The US is far from socialist, and as far as I can see (from all the way down here) isn't actually heading in that direction. Speaking from a country that basically has socialised health care, which while it has it's problems, is pretty bloody fantastic. Example, all my maternity care, pre and post natal, and my c-section as well as my hospital stay, etc etc, cost me nothing. Paid for by our government.
| | | guitardude wrote: | | Bud
The world may as well end, though that was only an injection of humor! I hate O`drama, he has destroyed the US as we knew it, and the fact that he was re-elected is amazing after the first four years. How the hell can it get any better when he forces socialism down our throats and breaks any damned law he so chooses to to force this on us. We need a business man to run the country, not a lawyer that is a loop hole specialist. Our economy is big business, that is why we need a businessman to run the place. Checks and balances brother , not check after check after check!
| | | Budred wrote: | | Man, you're entitled to your opinions just like the rest of us but it is a little funny that you would rather
see the world end then have Obama as president. I was watching a video on youtube and someone posted that they want
him assassinated so we can heal. World ending and killings are what we need? OK.
Working together might help more but with these kind of attitudes...
On another note, it was hilarious watching his acceptance speech on "Fox News". You could see their anchors with a look of
disgust on their faces having to sit through it. I was in heaven. Then Bill O'Reilly, he was almost in tears! Excellent stuff.
What a Day!!!!
| | | guitardude wrote: | | | Fuck the Democraps! After 12-21-12, nobody`s gonna give a flying shit anyway! Hope the Mayans weren`t wrong! Like half of the US was last night !!! |
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| [Becks] Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:31:21 PM | |
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The US is far from socialist, and as far as I can see (from all the way down here) isn't actually heading in that direction. Speaking from a country that basically has socialised health care, which while it has it's problems, is pretty bloody fantastic. Example, all my maternity care, pre and post natal, and my c-section as well as my hospital stay, etc etc, cost me nothing. Paid for by our government.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guitardude from Thursday, November 08, 2012 5:01:44 PM)| | | guitardude wrote: | | Bud
The world may as well end, though that was only an injection of humor! I hate O`drama, he has destroyed the US as we knew it, and the fact that he was re-elected is amazing after the first four years. How the hell can it get any better when he forces socialism down our throats and breaks any damned law he so chooses to to force this on us. We need a business man to run the country, not a lawyer that is a loop hole specialist. Our economy is big business, that is why we need a businessman to run the place. Checks and balances brother , not check after check after check!
| | | Budred wrote: | | Man, you're entitled to your opinions just like the rest of us but it is a little funny that you would rather
see the world end then have Obama as president. I was watching a video on youtube and someone posted that they want
him assassinated so we can heal. World ending and killings are what we need? OK.
Working together might help more but with these kind of attitudes...
On another note, it was hilarious watching his acceptance speech on "Fox News". You could see their anchors with a look of
disgust on their faces having to sit through it. I was in heaven. Then Bill O'Reilly, he was almost in tears! Excellent stuff.
What a Day!!!!
| | | guitardude wrote: | | | Fuck the Democraps! After 12-21-12, nobody`s gonna give a flying shit anyway! Hope the Mayans weren`t wrong! Like half of the US was last night !!! |
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| [guitardude] Thursday, November 08, 2012 5:01:44 PM | |
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Bud
The world may as well end, though that was only an injection of humor! I hate O`drama, he has destroyed the US as we knew it, and the fact that he was re-elected is amazing after the first four years. How the hell can it get any better when he forces socialism down our throats and breaks any damned law he so chooses to to force this on us. We need a business man to run the country, not a lawyer that is a loop hole specialist. Our economy is big business, that is why we need a businessman to run the place. Checks and balances brother , not check after check after check!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Thursday, November 08, 2012 1:41:27 AM)| | | Budred wrote: | | Man, you're entitled to your opinions just like the rest of us but it is a little funny that you would rather
see the world end then have Obama as president. I was watching a video on youtube and someone posted that they want
him assassinated so we can heal. World ending and killings are what we need? OK.
Working together might help more but with these kind of attitudes...
On another note, it was hilarious watching his acceptance speech on "Fox News". You could see their anchors with a look of
disgust on their faces having to sit through it. I was in heaven. Then Bill O'Reilly, he was almost in tears! Excellent stuff.
What a Day!!!!
| | | guitardude wrote: | | | Fuck the Democraps! After 12-21-12, nobody`s gonna give a flying shit anyway! Hope the Mayans weren`t wrong! Like half of the US was last night !!! |
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| [Becks] Thursday, November 08, 2012 4:18:12 PM | |
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Oh man wish I had seen it on Fox, would have been hilarious! I did think Romneys concession speech was very gracious though.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Thursday, November 08, 2012 1:41:27 AM)| | | Budred wrote: | | Man, you're entitled to your opinions just like the rest of us but it is a little funny that you would rather
see the world end then have Obama as president. I was watching a video on youtube and someone posted that they want
him assassinated so we can heal. World ending and killings are what we need? OK.
Working together might help more but with these kind of attitudes...
On another note, it was hilarious watching his acceptance speech on "Fox News". You could see their anchors with a look of
disgust on their faces having to sit through it. I was in heaven. Then Bill O'Reilly, he was almost in tears! Excellent stuff.
What a Day!!!!
| | | guitardude wrote: | | | Fuck the Democraps! After 12-21-12, nobody`s gonna give a flying shit anyway! Hope the Mayans weren`t wrong! Like half of the US was last night !!! |
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