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[ron h] Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:00:06 AM
Do we actually read posts before posting. I wrote that I vote based on the candidates past voting record. What did I post that makes you post that the union buys this or tells you to do that. It's nowhere in my postings.
I do what I do in my union because I believe in workers rights, fair representation, and having a say in my working conditions. Unions allow workers to do that. A business? As long as there's an IRS, everything is a business. There are costs involved in forming a union. There's rental of space for meetings, travel and training expenses. Let's not kid ourselves here, nothing is free, my friends.
I posted some facts and quotes to support my position, and I have plenty more. All this generalizing just leads me to believe that some postings on this issue is just the same old rhetoric I hear from my bosses.
Please, if we're going to discuss things, then let's just do that.
[Head banger] Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:20:44 AM
unions are a business now, trying to gain members to make money. there is no true care for the individual, but the way they package that is to try to apeal to the lower achievers, and bring the higher achivers down to that level. of course reducing output is not helpfull in the long run to them, or their members, but short term they look good.
what once had its place, was even a good thing, is now destroying most of the gains they helped create. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:38:49 AM)
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
In a nation with free enterprise as it's infrastructure, the need for unionization is rarely needed. Survival of the fittest. Work hard and you eat. Become lazy and your position is terminated. Simple. But in a democracy, everyone is equal. Backwards communism that America packages to your masses. The government of the day buys and pays for your vote through your union. And as long as oyu remain a member, they do influence your vote. And you are bought and paid for, too. Think about it.
a. Hammerstein
VICTIM OF METAL wrote:
Do you believe that your character devolpes along with the friends you keep? Like if your friends drink, more then likley you do. If you friends do drugs, you might try them? In other words can your friends be an influence in your life, and cause you to make decisions based on their influence? And taxing the rich means taxing the employers. You know, the people that employ us. Sounds like more cut backs to me. Besides giving himself a raise, and some buddies in his state, what has he done? And do tell me of all these rightwing channels, please name the co-hosts also,lol. I think we are more alike Ron when it comes to politics, i just wouldn't let a union decide who i'm going to vote for. I was in a union, my father too, his father also. But i'm an indivdual, and nobody makes or tells me who to vote for. I'am not a zombie for any party. As far as the media being fair, i think you can be more honest then that. I bet you think the radio is all far right,lol? But that's fine, right? Either way
ronhartsell wrote:
Depends on what channel you watch, seriously. That is why I vote according to how the candidates voted. Talk is cheap, I look to their actions, the past doesn't lie.
VICTIM OF METAL wrote:
Everything i just read below this post is fact. Ron you are one of the first friends i made here and i do not wish to damage that friendship. But really, do you think the media is fair to both parties? Just answer this one easy basic question.
[BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:38:49 AM
In a nation with free enterprise as it's infrastructure, the need for unionization is rarely needed. Survival of the fittest. Work hard and you eat. Become lazy and your position is terminated. Simple. But in a democracy, everyone is equal. Backwards communism that America packages to your masses. The government of the day buys and pays for your vote through your union. And as long as oyu remain a member, they do influence your vote. And you are bought and paid for, too. Think about it.
Do you believe that your character devolpes along with the friends you keep? Like if your friends drink, more then likley you do. If you friends do drugs, you might try them? In other words can your friends be an influence in your life, and cause you to make decisions based on their influence? And taxing the rich means taxing the employers. You know, the people that employ us. Sounds like more cut backs to me. Besides giving himself a raise, and some buddies in his state, what has he done? And do tell me of all these rightwing channels, please name the co-hosts also,lol. I think we are more alike Ron when it comes to politics, i just wouldn't let a union decide who i'm going to vote for. I was in a union, my father too, his father also. But i'm an indivdual, and nobody makes or tells me who to vote for. I'am not a zombie for any party. As far as the media being fair, i think you can be more honest then that. I bet you think the radio is all far right,lol? But that's fine, right? Either way
ronhartsell wrote:
Depends on what channel you watch, seriously. That is why I vote according to how the candidates voted. Talk is cheap, I look to their actions, the past doesn't lie.
VICTIM OF METAL wrote:
Everything i just read below this post is fact. Ron you are one of the first friends i made here and i do not wish to damage that friendship. But really, do you think the media is fair to both parties? Just answer this one easy basic question.
[ron h] Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:26:05 PM
momo, thanks for the hope you don't mind if I use it [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by momo from Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:04:34 PM)
momo wrote:
A little girl asked her father, "Daddy? Do all Fairy Tales begin with 'Once Upon A Time?'"
And he replied, "No, there is a whole series of Fairy Tales that begin with 'If Elected I promise...'"
[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:49:06 PM
A little girl asked her father, "Daddy? Do all Fairy Tales begin with 'Once Upon A Time?'"
And he replied, "No, there is a whole series of Fairy Tales that begin with 'If Elected I promise...'"
[VICTIM OF METAL] Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:00:33 PM
Do you believe that your character devolpes along with the friends you keep? Like if your friends drink, more then likley you do. If you friends do drugs, you might try them? In other words can your friends be an influence in your life, and cause you to make decisions based on their influence? And taxing the rich means taxing the employers. You know, the people that employ us. Sounds like more cut backs to me. Besides giving himself a raise, and some buddies in his state, what has he done? And do tell me of all these rightwing channels, please name the co-hosts also,lol. I think we are more alike Ron when it comes to politics, i just wouldn't let a union decide who i'm going to vote for. I was in a union, my father too, his father also. But i'm an indivdual, and nobody makes or tells me who to vote for. I'am not a zombie for any party. As far as the media being fair, i think you can be more honest then that. I bet you think the radio is all far right,lol? But that's fine, right? Either way [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:54:34 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Depends on what channel you watch, seriously. That is why I vote according to how the candidates voted. Talk is cheap, I look to their actions, the past doesn't lie.
VICTIM OF METAL wrote:
Everything i just read below this post is fact. Ron you are one of the first friends i made here and i do not wish to damage that friendship. But really, do you think the media is fair to both parties? Just answer this one easy basic question.
[momo] Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:04:34 PM
A little girl asked her father, "Daddy? Do all Fairy Tales begin with 'Once Upon A Time?'"
And he replied, "No, there is a whole series of Fairy Tales that begin with 'If Elected I promise...'"
[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:49:44 PM
Laura Bush said in a interview yesturday.. that she has the confidence in Sarah Palin.. HMM Kinda makes you wonder when you look at who she is married too....
same principles most good interviewers use to hire people, which in reality is what your doing in an election.
ronhartsell wrote:
Depends on what channel you watch, seriously. That is why I vote according to how the candidates voted. Talk is cheap, I look to their actions, the past doesn't lie.
VICTIM OF METAL wrote:
Everything i just read below this post is fact. Ron you are one of the first friends i made here and i do not wish to damage that friendship. But really, do you think the media is fair to both parties? Just answer this one easy basic question.
Edited at: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:28:07 AM
[Head banger] Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:30:35 AM
same principles most good interviewers use to hire people, which in reality is what your doing in an election. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:54:34 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Depends on what channel you watch, seriously. That is why I vote according to how the candidates voted. Talk is cheap, I look to their actions, the past doesn't lie.
VICTIM OF METAL wrote:
Everything i just read below this post is fact. Ron you are one of the first friends i made here and i do not wish to damage that friendship. But really, do you think the media is fair to both parties? Just answer this one easy basic question.
[ron h] Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:11:45 AM
In today's global economy, trade policy is a key issue for working families. We need a dramatic change from current policies, which are tilted towards multinational corporations and their desire to move jobs across borders as easily as possible, without regard for workers, communities and the environment.
McCain voted for NAFTA and still thinks it was "a good idea". He supported Bush's CAFTA treaty, along with the US-Korea Free Trade Agreement, even though it puts tens of thousands of US auto jobs at risk.
Obama on NAFTA: "We should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage to ensure that we actually get labor and environmental standards that are enforced". He opposed CAFTA and the US-Korea FTA, and he doesn't believe in tax breaks for companies that send jobs overseas. Edited at: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:14:53 AM
[ron h] Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:54:34 AM
Depends on what channel you watch, seriously. That is why I vote according to how the candidates voted. Talk is cheap, I look to their actions, the past doesn't lie. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by VICTIM OF METAL from Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:59:15 AM)
VICTIM OF METAL wrote:
Everything i just read below this post is fact. Ron you are one of the first friends i made here and i do not wish to damage that friendship. But really, do you think the media is fair to both parties? Just answer this one easy basic question.
[ron h] Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:52:08 AM
By the way, I will not get involved in any discussions on race and things like that. I think stuff like that is a distraction from what I think are the real issues. I never disrespected McCain, I know he seved our country, I served in the US Marines myself. I was/am willing to give my life defending this country as much as anyone else, and I backed it up by signing on the dotted line.
[ron h] Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:46:34 AM
Since GW Bush took office in 2001, the US has lost 3,000,000 manufacuring jobs.
Manufactoring jobs, which one is going to protect us? McCain: "Some of the jobs that have left...are not coming back. They are not".
OBama: "We need to make sure our automakers are ready to build these next-generation vehicles right here in the US, which is exactly what my energy plan will do".
[ron h] Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:39:47 AM
I don't want to start a political war here, and as long as things stay cool, I'll stay a part of this discussion.
Keep in mind when you're reading my posts that I am wrtiting from primarily a pro labor point of view. It doesn't matter union/anti union, labor is labor.
One big problem labor has is the NLRB. The NLRB is suppose to protect the NLRA and enforce worker's right. The labor board is made up of appointees made by the President. Labor has suffered as a result of changes in law that favor management and make it more difficult to hold them accountable for labor rights violations. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Painkiller1990 from Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:14:39 PM)
Painkiller1990 wrote:
Really, Ron? Based on what exactly? What exactly has Obama done for unions? What has McCain done to hurt them?
Right now, people like me, the WORKING class could care less about the Union I'm in, rather, we care more about not having a racist, anti American in the oval office. See, we actually have a problem voting for someone who chooses to be close friends and colleagues with unrepentant domestic terrorists, and attend Churches for twenty years where they teach black liberation theology and how evil the White Man is. See, I disagree with Obama's Pastor when he says evil White people invented the AIDS virus in order to wipe out the black race.
Not to mention I have no desire to see my taxes go up so Obama can pay for a trilliion dollars worth of social programs while gutting the military. And.... most recently, I also have a problem with Obama wanting to give 50 billion dollars a year to the UN so they can give it to poor countries in an effort to end poverty.
Nope! NOBAMA 09. I'll be voting for the real American Hero in this race, a Man who gave everything for his country, a true American hero.
The only one running in this election who actually did fight for you.
And from the looks of it, he's going to clean Obama's clock big time . (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Sunday, September 21, 2008 11:29:21 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
As a Union leader (UAW Unit Chairman and Bargaining Committee Chairman), we need to vote for OBAMA!!! There are many reasons for this. Among them are the many Labor related issues that need to be addressed. I'm not saying that I am blindly supporting ALL Dems and the GOP is ALL bad, I vote for candidates by their voting history, and based on that alone, this WORKING CLASS country can not afford to have this particular Republican candidate in office!!!
Edited at: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:15:32 PM
[VICTIM OF METAL] Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:59:15 AM
Everything i just read below this post is fact. Ron you are one of the first friends i made here and i do not wish to damage that friendship. But really, do you think the media is fair to both parties? Just answer this one easy basic question.
[Painkiller1990] Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:14:39 PM
Really, Ron? Based on what exactly? What exactly has Obama done for unions? What has McCain done to hurt them?
Right now, people like me, the WORKING class could care less about the Union I'm in, rather, we care more about not having a racist, anti American in the oval office. See, we actually have a problem voting for someone who chooses to be close friends and colleagues with unrepentant domestic terrorists, and attend Churches for twenty years where they teach black liberation theology and how evil the White Man is. See, I disagree with Obama's Pastor when he says evil White people invented the AIDS virus in order to wipe out the black race.
Not to mention I have no desire to see my taxes go up so Obama can pay for a trilliion dollars worth of social programs while gutting the military. And.... most recently, I also have a problem with Obama wanting to give 50 billion dollars a year to the UN so they can give it to poor countries in an effort to end poverty.
Nope! NOBAMA 09. I'll be voting for the real American Hero in this race, a Man who gave everything for his country, a true American hero.
The only one running in this election who actually did fight for you.
And from the looks of it, he's going to clean Obama's clock big time . [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Sunday, September 21, 2008 11:29:21 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
As a Union leader (UAW Unit Chairman and Bargaining Committee Chairman), we need to vote for OBAMA!!! There are many reasons for this. Among them are the many Labor related issues that need to be addressed. I'm not saying that I am blindly supporting ALL Dems and the GOP is ALL bad, I vote for candidates by their voting history, and based on that alone, this WORKING CLASS country can not afford to have this particular Republican candidate in office!!!
Edited at: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:15:32 PM
[VICTIM OF METAL] Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:07:22 PM
Can someone point me to an interview where Obama is asked some really tough questions? How about an interview with someone who opposes him? Bill O'Rielly doesn't count,(fence sitter) he's a bitch for both parties. Or maybe a skit on Obama or Biden, on Saturday Night Live? No? I didn't think so...THE GREAT REVEREND WRIGHT WILL BRING HIM DOWN... I wouldn't vote for someone who hates blacks, would you vote for someone who hates whites?
[BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Monday, September 22, 2008 12:36:14 PM
In a Democratic system, there are no truths. Only lies. Thank you very much indeed, Tony Blair, for all the truths that you lied to us about!
When it comes to politics, the only side I take is the truth. By the way, yes I think he was right. He'll fight until the last man is dead. We won't.
Painkiller1990 wrote:
What's up, Tim. Hey, you can't post that information in here regarding Nuclear material removed from Saddam's regime showing he did actually have a nuclear program, that would show how stupid the left is and their demonization of the truth which they do not represent.
Ooops! Didn't mean to go off here, but........ speaking of the truth, here's a little something for everyone.
Edited at: Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:14:59 PM
[ron h] Sunday, September 21, 2008 11:29:21 PM
As a Union leader (UAW Unit Chairman and Bargaining Committee Chairman), we need to vote for OBAMA!!! There are many reasons for this. Among them are the many Labor related issues that need to be addressed. I'm not saying that I am blindly supporting ALL Dems and the GOP is ALL bad, I vote for candidates by their voting history, and based on that alone, this WORKING CLASS country can not afford to have this particular Republican candidate in office!!!
[TIMBONI] Friday, September 19, 2008 9:05:45 PM
When it comes to politics, the only side I take is the truth. By the way, yes I think he was right. He'll fight until the last man is dead. We won't. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Painkiller1990 from Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:14:27 PM)
Painkiller1990 wrote:
What's up, Tim. Hey, you can't post that information in here regarding Nuclear material removed from Saddam's regime showing he did actually have a nuclear program, that would show how stupid the left is and their demonization of the truth which they do not represent.
Ooops! Didn't mean to go off here, but........ speaking of the truth, here's a little something for everyone.
Edited at: Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:14:59 PM
[Head banger] Friday, September 19, 2008 7:21:26 AM
wonder if the ass got standard prison meals, whatever they are there? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Friday, September 19, 2008 12:55:21 AM)
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
The law is an ass!
a. Hammerstein
CAIRO (AFP) - An Egyptian donkey has been jailed for stealing corn on the cob from a field belonging to an agricultural research institute in the Nile Delta, local media reported on Thursday.
The ass and its owner were apprehended at a police checkpoint that had been set up after the institute's director complained that someone was stealing his crops, the state-owned Al-Ahram daily said.
The unnamed ungulate was found in possession of the institute's corn and a local judge sentenced him to 24 hours in prison. The man who had his ass thrown in jail got off with a fine of 50 Egyptian pounds (nine dollars, six euros).
[BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Friday, September 19, 2008 12:55:21 AM
The law is an ass!
a. Hammerstein
CAIRO (AFP) - An Egyptian donkey has been jailed for stealing corn on the cob from a field belonging to an agricultural research institute in the Nile Delta, local media reported on Thursday.
The ass and its owner were apprehended at a police checkpoint that had been set up after the institute's director complained that someone was stealing his crops, the state-owned Al-Ahram daily said.
The unnamed ungulate was found in possession of the institute's corn and a local judge sentenced him to 24 hours in prison. The man who had his ass thrown in jail got off with a fine of 50 Egyptian pounds (nine dollars, six euros).
[Painkiller1990] Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:14:27 PM
What's up, Tim. Hey, you can't post that information in here regarding Nuclear material removed from Saddam's regime showing he did actually have a nuclear program, that would show how stupid the left is and their demonization of the truth which they do not represent.
Ooops! Didn't mean to go off here, but........ speaking of the truth, here's a little something for everyone.
Edited at: Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:14:59 PM
[BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:28:46 PM
I don't think the United States is ready for a black man as their President. Nor are they ready for a woman. If they were.....Hillary would be standing where Obama is right now. I think when the dust settles.....you wil see another Conservative President in your White House. Obama is nothing more than the newist media darling of your Democratic-skewed national media.
It's getting to the point where you can't tell the politicians from the actors!
a. Hammerstein Edited at: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:29:41 PM
[Phantom A6] Friday, July 25, 2008 11:16:45 AM
Enough material to put it into George's ass. He can changed his life from human being in a street lamp. Very economic. He's glowing in darkness.
[TIMBONI] Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:46:20 PM
I found this "interesting" from the Associated Press:
The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program - a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium - reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.
The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" - the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment - was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.
[joedraper] Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:24:11 PM
Actually, yes, Steve Biko is considered a hero here. As well as many white anti apartheid activists. The reason that Madiba stood out is because he became our fist truly democratically voted president ( this is aside from the mans remarkable understanding of the human race in general). Being white myself, I know all too well how the white activists are treated here. Small sacrifice to pay for a developing country. My parents were involved in fighting for freedom and for bringing down the opressive apartheid government so we were pretty ostracized by our fellow white comunity (those who thought that apartheid was so great). We were just so proud of the fact that apartheid was abolished and as I state, we're far off from having a perfect free rainbow nation over here but some of us are giving it our all so that our children can benifit in future from all of our struggles for freedom and democracy. I was a 15 year old when the old government was voted out and I believe we've come a long way as a country since then. Every country as well as person has their flaws but we're all open to change and peace. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Monday, June 30, 2008 10:59:49 PM)
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
If he were not a black man, would he still be considered a hero? Many whites have given just as much as him to reverse the apartheid that took place there. And many of the whites faced persecution as well. Is Steven Biko considered a hero?
a. Hammerstein
[BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Monday, June 30, 2008 10:59:49 PM
If he were not a black man, would he still be considered a hero? Many whites have given just as much as him to reverse the apartheid that took place there. And many of the whites faced persecution as well. Is Steven Biko considered a hero?
This man is somewhat of a hero in my country. I remember watching his release from prison. I shed many tears of empathy on my visits to Robben Island and to me this is the most non racist, most peaceful man that I have ever come across. I do wonder when he looks back on his country today, Is this what he envisioned?
For any human to endure what he had to endure, to come out of that with not one bit of hatred towards his opressers, you just have to respect the man for that. I'm very proud to have been at the age I was when things started to change in South Africa. I can only hope that through this all, one day South Africa will be the country that Madiba envisioned it could be. As bleak as the media may paint South Africa, I assure you, we have our moments of sheer beauty and pride. I believe one day that my kids will be proud to be africans.. but that being said this is just the scrambled ramblings of my mind, I, the eternal optamist! lol
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
Nelson Mandela at 90. Father of the world?
a Hammerstein
[joedraper] Monday, June 30, 2008 2:37:43 PM
This man is somewhat of a hero in my country. I remember watching his release from prison. I shed many tears of empathy on my visits to Robben Island and to me this is the most non racist, most peaceful man that I have ever come across. I do wonder when he looks back on his country today, Is this what he envisioned?
For any human to endure what he had to endure, to come out of that with not one bit of hatred towards his opressers, you just have to respect the man for that. I'm very proud to have been at the age I was when things started to change in South Africa. I can only hope that through this all, one day South Africa will be the country that Madiba envisioned it could be. As bleak as the media may paint South Africa, I assure you, we have our moments of sheer beauty and pride. I believe one day that my kids will be proud to be africans.. but that being said this is just the scrambled ramblings of my mind, I, the eternal optamist! lol
[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Monday, June 30, 2008 5:47:42 AM
HA! Not hardly, BSE! But I do respect the man and his ability to endure the persecution and pain inflicted upon him by the small-minded. Apart from aiding in the eliminating apartheid. Not sure if he's accomplished anything else though. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:29:20 PM)
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
Nelson Mandela at 90. Father of the world?
a Hammerstein
[BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:29:20 PM
Nelson Mandela at 90. Father of the world?
a Hammerstein
[Painkiller1990] Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:47:49 PM
I know the retarded left missed me in here since I've not been posting for a while.
So, I thought I would leave you with this.
hope you don't mind if I use it 
