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who was better?






   

[Deep Freeze] Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:47:29 PM 
Well said, guid.. You know, it never ceases to amaze me how someone with relatively little knowledge of the regulars comes here, uses the word "intelligent" and then proceeds to bash...? We are not "all" disappointed in Nostra, nor do I feel that fans like JD are "close minded" for their adamant distaste of the album. The style of the album is what it is. Certainly it means very little as far as what the band HAS done or WILL do. It is just an album. Further, one's age is of very little relevance insomuch as what is or is not worthy or praise or rejection. If your only credential is being over fifty, you have not really made a case for judgement.  It may well give you reason for a colon exam but unless you are some kind of professional sound engineer or seasoned critic, I should think your opinion is no better or worse than JD's. As for your geographical situation....well, that is even LESS relevant.

At the end of the day, whether one chooses to listen to something "different" or chooses to remain locked in the stubborn clutch of "retro-metal", it will make little difference as to who WE on the Board really are, what we know or the impact our opinions have on the direction Priest has taken or will take.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:17:17 AM)
[guidogodoy] Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:17:17 AM 
I am really sad to see you lump us all into a generalized "you people." You'd know if you read here that MANY admire Nostra and I am one of them.

Prolly cause I live in Tiiiinnessee. Oh yeah and when you tell all of us off the current phrase is:


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jtwa1 from Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:34:23 AM)
[jtwa1] Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:34:23 AM 
 I should have known better. I actually thought I might see some intelligent debate. Man was I wrong. Music is much more than pounding rhythms, loud guitars and screaming vocals. The very band that you people worship as gods has tried to show you that with "Nostradamus", but you're all dissapointed that they didn't put out another "Screaming for Vengence" or "British Steel". They want to grow and expand their scope. Try going along for the ride, you may enjoy it.  Open your minds a little. Listen to something new and different, you might be surprised at what you'll like. I promise it won't hurt. I'm really disappointed in you "JD Diamond". You forgot my chaw 'o' tobacky, corn cob pipe and jug 'o' shine. You also forgot about the boar hog and lazy ole coon dog settin' at the foot of my rockin' chair. You really should study up on your stereotypes before you use them. You no doubt believe the Jews have all the gold, all black people can play basketball, all Irish are drunks and all Muslims blow up airplanes.  Anyone who doesn't share the same taste in music as you are stupid. The classic defense of a closed mind. That wasn't a knock at Seattle. I had a friend overseas from Seattle and when the Monsoons (look it up) came he use to joke and say it reminded him of home. You guys really bummed me out,  I'm taking my ball and going home. SO THERE!
[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:05:43 PM 
LOL! Well to "jtwa1" Black Rain is "better" than Dio's "Holy Diver" album,or anything Dio has ever put out. Black Rain is better than The Mob Rules? LMFAO Guido!!!!! I still own and listen to Blizzard Of Oz,Diary Of A Madman and Bark At The Moon. With the exception of some songs off of No Rest For The Wicked,every Ozzy album after Bark At The Moon is really not that great at all,and most of them are terrible. Dio crushes Ozzy's solo albums after Randy died.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:58:31 PM)
[guidogodoy] Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:58:31 PM 
HAAAA!!! Forgot all about Black Rain. Only bought it for the free ticket to see Priest! LOL!!!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:52:41 PM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:52:41 PM 
lol! Well you sure dished up some "baloney" if I've ever seen it! HAHAHA!   "Black Rain" is the "worst" album by OZZY I have ever heard in my freaking life!! That song "I don't wanna Stop" is the worst track by Ozzy I have ever heard as well.The Black Rain album is a mear "joke" and the "sound" that Zack has is not "OZZY'S sound"....its a down-tuned-Korn,System Of A Down,Godsmack sound that the Ozzy camp ripped off to cater to the OZZ FEST crowd! Thats a sell out if I've ever seen one!! HA!  Sorry guy,I just can't understand how anyone could like "Black Rain". YUK! 

Holy Diver Vs. Black Rain...hummmm anybody want to answer this one?

And Nostradamus you think is the BEST ALBUM PRIEST HAS EVER DONE? .....aaa.....ok "Jackylone".  NOT!  

And nice try in linking me to the Seattle grunge scene(lmao!) Yes I'm from Seattle(durrr) and yes this is where the "grunge scene" started,but to you ...surely JD must have started this scene(lmao guys!!)?? No? lol!!Lets just say that I'm glad I'm in Seattle  (where there is and has been a significant amount of a true metal scene here for years)  vs. living 30 miles from the "Kentucky border".Maybe you could send me up a pair of overalls and a rocking chair.....ouch my neck is feeling "red" already? LOL!!

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jtwa1 from Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:13:30 AM) Edited at: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:54:11 PM
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[guidogodoy] Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:00:32 PM 
Hell, was anyone but me at Ozzy's "goodbye" tour? About twenty years ago. Brought both kids onstage with Kelly in arms.

At the Fox if I recall, you Detroiter(s)? I laughed as no one really knew the second to the last lines of War Pigs.

Then again, I remember the Lips tour what was lauded as the last Rolling Stones tour.

While I still love Dio, call it nostalgia, I still love Ozzy. I was actually floored with the Reunion / Ozzfest tour of '05. Then again, I was expecting some bumbling drunk asking if  "I wanted a burrito" to be onstage. Ozzy did a great job. I will always think of Dio as a solo artist.    [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:32:55 PM)
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[Head banger] Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:32:55 PM 
I cau understand loving the singer you heard first, but to say that ozzy has a better range than dio is dificult.  personaly I think he is much better.  I first got into sabath with the born again album, so I dont get those conflicts in my head.  still one of my favorite albums.  as to ozzy solo, saw him last year, and he dodged anything that might take effort to sing, except bark at the moon, which was quite strained. 
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jtwa1 from Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:25:04 AM)
[jtwa1] Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:22:17 AM 
  By the way Diamond, I live in Southern Indiana about 30 miles from the Kentucky border and were usually very hot, humid and dry, except for thunderstorms and tornados, in the summer but this year we've had so much rain at times I thought I was living in Seattle. Isn't that where grunge originated? I like some of those bands. Not enough lead guitar though.
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[jtwa1] Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:13:30 AM 
 I was focusing on Black Sabbath and I hate boloney except with cheese and tomato.  I disagree with you completely. I think Technical Ecstacy and Never Say Die are great albums. As far as the solo careers go, I don't think Dio can compare. I like Dio. I have several of his albums and I've paid to see him and would again,  but he tends to get a little repetative. I also believe Black Rain is far better than anything Dio has ever done. I also think that Nostradamus is far and away the best album Preist has ever done and I'm relatively sure you would disagree with me on that also "J.D. Diamond". It's a silly argument really. It's all a matter of taste isn't it. It's like arguing about favorite colors or taste in women but it's fun and something to do when you can't sleep. I respect your opinion, I just disagree. I also don't like Guns 'n' Roses but I like Velvet Revolver. I like Megadeth but hate Metallica and their  "we're the best metal band ever" attitude. It's all taste.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:44:05 AM 

That is a bunch of "baloney" jtwa1,you are only focusing on "Black Sabbath". The thread was not only an opinion of who was better in "Black Sabbath",but who is better as solo artists and whos latter albums are better.I'll give you that maybe Ozzy was #1 for Black Sabbath,and maybe when Dio sings Ozzy Sabbath songs they don't comfort you as they don't "fit" but the band's original material 1980's "Heaven & Hell" album and 1981 "Mob Rules" album are better albums and songs than "Never Say Die" and  "Technical Ecstacy" the last 2 studio album done with "Ozzy". And I would go as far as saying that the Heaven & Hell and Mob Rules albums are just as good of material as any album done with Ozzy.

Now,if you want to talk about solo career....in my opinion "Dio" is far better solo than Ozzy solo,by FAR. Blizzard Of Oz and Diary Of A Madman are his only 2 albums that are of top quality,Bark At The Moon was "ok" and marked the LAST quality Ozzy album as the next however many albums in a row up till now was really not that great man. 1986 "The Ulimate Sin" was horrible,No Rest For The Wicked was alright,but No more Tears and every album up till now sucks big time. Dio has Holy Diver,The Last In Line,Sacred Heart,Dream Evil,Lock Up The Wolves...those 5 albums were cool,but Strange Highways and Angry Machines were the only 2 that were of less quality."Magica,Killing The Dragon and Master Of The Moon Dio's last 3 albums surpass Ozzy's by far.


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jtwa1 from Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:25:04 AM)
[jtwa1] Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:25:04 AM 
 I can't believe this is even being debated. Dio was great with Rainbow back in the early 70s but we're talking about completely different music. Ozzie's vocals add a personna and an eerieness  to the music that Sabbath requires. Sabbath has never been the same without Ozzie. Someone mentioned Live Evil as proof. The music is great. Iommi and the boys are in true form but the vocals just don't fit. Listen to Dio's vocals on the song Black Sabbath. I hated it, he ruined the song. He talks half of it and growls the rest. Ozzie's range is a lot better than Dio's. Don't get me wrong, I think Dio is a fine singer, but when he is with Sabbath their songs end up sounding like Dio's solo stuff not Sabbath. There are many singers like Dio out there but there's only one Ozzie Osbourne. Maybe you would have had to be there in the beginning like I was to really appreciate it, I don't know, but I promise you that most Sabbath fans in their 50s, as I am, find it hard to even listen to Dio sing an Ozzie song. I have seen Dio live and it was a  good show, very professional. I have also seen Dio with Sabbath right after Mob Rules was done and I found myself concentrating on the music in the old Sabbath songs and just tolerating the vocals. It just wasn't the same. It  would be like Zeppelin reforming with David Coverdale on vocals. Coverdale is a great singer in his own right but he couldn't replace Robert Plant, as no-one could, and no-one can replace Ozzie with Sabbath. Edited at: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:51:38 AM Edited at: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:52:13 AM
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[soul stealer] Monday, October 19, 2009 9:06:01 AM 
i like them both. i like older sabbath with ozzy, but dio is the better singer.one of the best.
[adrianaec_88] Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:29:51 PM 

[adrianaec_88] Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:53:39 PM 
I agree on everything you said
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[destroyer0604] Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:29:20 AM 
sorry, im gonna have to give it to ozzy on this one. no disrespect to mr. rjd. ive been loving ozzy's music about as long as i have been loving judas priest. judas priest is still my favorite band and rob halford is still the top vocalist.
[drvobradas] Monday, October 12, 2009 12:17:34 PM 
DIO is God. Ozzy can't be compared to someone like Dio, it would be better to compare Halford and Dio...it's a hard one...
[K2M] Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:45:53 PM 
Geezer Wrote the Words for Sabbath
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:13:20 PM 
Bullshit.  Dio is every bit of a "real singer" for Sabbath.  Who are you anyways Sharon Osbourne?  Get out of here......
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by priest rules the world from Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:38:19 PM)
[priest rules the world] Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:38:19 PM 
Ozzy of course he's the only real singer for sabbath
[MattPriestFan] Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:41:00 AM 
I like Dio much better.  Ozzy is backed up by good bands, but he has a no good voice himself in my opinion.  Also, Dio is much more poetic.  He is much deeper and darker and just better.  Dio all the way. 
[spapad] Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:41:05 PM 
Welcome Gordi!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by gordi from Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:31:43 PM)
[gordi] Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:31:43 PM 
dio!not bc of black sabbat ozzy is one  but dio solo  is grate!holy dio! hail! i am beeg dio fan and  "long live rock n roll" is one of the best albom of all time.
[TampaMetalChick] Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:39:19 AM 
Dio 100%! I give Ozzy credit for being there at the beginning, but Dio has always been my favorite Sabbath singer.
[K2M] Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:51:19 PM 
OZZY"S voice is holding up Well
[Coyote Bongwater] Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:25:37 PM 
are we still having this debate lol
[british.steel] Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:28:55 PM 
Much Agreed, one might even say Ozzy's solo carrer is somewhat overrated because of the hits he had on his first couple albums. Dio keeps on crankin em out. as Ozzy should stop. i hear rumors hes going to put out 3 more albums...ugh, ill buy them tho. lol
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, August 08, 2009 3:27:58 AM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, August 08, 2009 3:27:58 AM 
I say "DIO". Because I am "SICK TO DEATH" of "Ozzy".  It may not be his fault but I can't stand him these days...I like his old shit with Black Sabbath 

and his first 3 albums.."Blizzard Of Oz"...."Diary Of A Madman"....."Bark At The Moon"...but anything after that especially nowadays...I just can't take it.

I feel Ozzy should of retired after the 1988 "No Rest For The Wicked" album....that album had a couple of cool songs on it at least.......but I still think

he should of wrapped it up after 1988.
[funkster] Friday, August 07, 2009 1:03:44 PM 
i love Ozzy but Dio has more range in his vocal style. He can hit a lot more high notes than ozzy can. Ozzy is a metal god, the prince of darkness, but as far as singing I gotta go with Dio.
[Skylar] Friday, August 07, 2009 6:25:45 AM 
You can't compare them cause they don't sing the same type of music. For instance Dio's voice is more lyrical while Ozzy's more characteristic. I regard them both as great singers.Ozzy's also a very good performer while Dio's singing can match the opera singers. If you want to simply have fun and you're feeling like going nuts then you'l hear Ozzy.If you want to relax and just be caried away by the music you'l hear Dio
[MarBlDe] Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:11:09 PM 
OZZY,This is a stupid question
[noirchrome] Monday, August 03, 2009 10:08:27 PM 
Dio rules... Ozzy drools ! Need proof ? Just listen to "Live Evil" ! ! ! Dio sang Ozzy songs better than Ozzy ever did !
[british.steel] Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:32:32 PM 
I like the last in line alot, so Magica better be damn good! haha. Egypt (the chains are on) is one of the most badass Dio songs ever. i love it
[spapad] Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:31:43 PM 
Now there is a lady not to be triffled with! Shows good character!   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:28:08 PM)
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  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by caronctm from Saturday, August 01, 2009 4:18:43 AM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:26:43 PM 
Yeah....Magica is better than "Last In Line" and :Sacred Heart" to me...in my opinion. Holy Diver is his best.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by british.steel from Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:12:26 PM)
[british.steel] Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:12:26 PM 
HA!

JD ive never listend to Magica, i should probably give it a listen, but Holy Diver, Last In Line, Sacred Heart are my favs from Dio solo carreer, the song Lock up the wolves is awesome, strange highways is sweet too.
[caronctm] Saturday, August 01, 2009 4:18:43 AM 
tankgunner is it?
 I don't know if you were responding directly to me or just in general but let me educate you a bit. 
1st:   I am a woman not a man.
2nd;   I didn't say that I don't like Ozzy.
3rd;   I didn't say that I've only heard of him in Black Sabbath.
4th;   I'm from right here in the good old U.S. of A. where, if I remember correctly, we have a little thing called freedom of opinion.
5th;   No need to buy Ozzy cd's when I already own them.
6th;   I never said he was "overrated" as you put it.
7th;   Remember that freedom of opinion thing? Well, you stated yours just as I stated mine which obviously either you didn't read or didn't understand.
8th;   A person can be a music lover, and not be labled as a lover of only one type or genre of music. Gee, what would you say to Rob Halford if you heard him sing opera? Would he no longer be the metal god that he is?
9th;   Not that a lady should have to disclose her age, not that I have a problem with doing so, but I happen to be 43. Well out of school - at least the formal type. Everyday brings new oportunities to learn. I strongly advise that you do some more learning. Maybe you require a tutor or two or three. You sound like you have a lot to learn. For starters - CHILL THE F__K OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Oops, maybe you won't be able to figure out what letters go there! sorry! it's a 'u' and a 'c'.)
10th;  As you put it, "i'm dead serious. listen man do yourself a favor, a big favor," go buy some Dio cd's, anything that strikes your fancy - from any period in his career, and take a listen. Better yet, go see him live,  and listen to his vocal ability at his age. The man can sing, not just scream or shriek,  but sing. Not many performers can last this long. They are far and few between from all genres of music.

Now go to bed, it must be past your bedtime and let the adults talk!
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[icecreamman] Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:48:50 PM 
DIO
[Sinner Rider] Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:51:54 PM 
Ahhh. I love the Ultimate Sin is my personal favorite..

I can see how people wouldn't like it as it has a different feel then his other solo stuff.. a little more electronic sounding maybe?


I can't understand how any  metalhead does not like Dio.. 

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:23:12 PM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:23:12 PM 

Tank...I'm not sure who you are talking to....who has only heard Ozzy in Sabbath and not solo? Hum........  Anyways....the first 2 Ozzy albums are his best...Blizzard Of Oz and Diary Of A Madman.

Bark At The Moon was "ok" and The Ultimate Sin was his worst album yuk!  No Rest For The Wicked was less quality than Bark At The Moon even...and No more Tears was nowhere even close 

to the under-par-quality album of No Rest For The Wicked. And then the rest of his career went down hill fast...."Black Rain" is horrible and shows how much Ozzy needs to give it up.

Dio's solo albums were a little bit better but not much....he had lame albums too..."Dream Evil"...Strange Highways....Angry Machines.....Killing The Dragon was better but I wasn't really
 
impressed with it....Master Of The Moon same thing...."ok"..   I think Holy Diver was his best and Last In Line his 3rd best...."Sacred Heart" was cool,Lock Up The Wolves and Magica were 

cool as well.  I think "Magica" was Dio's 2nd best record under Holy Diver. Magica is amazing and I would recomend anyone who likes Dio to buy it.


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[british.steel] Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:57:55 AM 
hey tank gunner, im still in school. i love Ozzy as well as Dio, but Dio wins in my opinion because he had better solo carreer than ozzy. but ozzy was amazing in sabbath. im more of a dio fan. Blizzard is great, also while ur getting blizzard of oz, pick up No more tears.
[tankgunner] Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:27:35 AM 
   I love DIO as well
[tankgunner] Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:07:30 AM 
your gonna have to get off the porch man. you dont like OZZY but have only heard him in Black Sabbath? are you from another planet? really i'm dead serious. Listen man do yourself a favor, a big favor,go buy a cd called Ozzy Osbourne-Blizzard Of Ozz again thats OZZY Osbourne-Blizzard Of Ozz. If you still dont like OZZY after listening to that cd you must be an ALIEN. Chinese Metal -OZZY is not over-rated. whomever thinks that doesnt have a clue about about music period! not metal anyway!. In fact they need to go visit the limp bisqit website or linin park. how old are you people are you still in school?
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[caronctm] Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:37:41 AM 
I agree with J.D.D. and Ron. Although Ozzy is great, best with Sabbath, Dio still has the voice and the presence. Last summers concert at Jones Beach with Priest was incredible! Dio definately has it over Ozzy,  in individual style, vocal talent  and overall career. Just one metal chicks opinion!
[randib] Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:18:59 AM 
I would have to say Dio. Gonna see him with the fellos from Black Sabbath their band Heaven and Hell, Aug 8!
[priestaddict] Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:29:20 PM 
Dio, but I do love Ozzy
[Henrich 1] Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:36:37 PM 
i like both so i cant choose ozzy is good for what he did and dio is good for what he did simple
[hellrider 31038] Monday, July 06, 2009 9:32:32 PM 
OZZY
[Amboydukes] Monday, July 06, 2009 4:08:10 PM 
Give me Dio for the talent and voice. Ozzy did not do much as far as song writing, never has. Usually his bassist and guitarists do the song writing. I do luv Ozzy though. No disrespect intended.
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