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[jimmyjames] Monday, December 29, 2008 1:06:59 PM 
Especially when God or Gods of any type don't exist. How the hell, in this day and age, can people expect to be taken seriously when they spend their time praying to some non-existant deity. Even going to church once a week for an hour, what's that about? Crazy, meaningless rituals that are based on the fact that people can't face their own mortality. Losers.
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[Head banger] Monday, December 29, 2008 12:40:05 PM 
http://www.minyanville.com/articles/market-recession-2008-capitalism-Food-Bubble/index/a/20457/from/yahoo
[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Monday, December 29, 2008 11:07:06 AM 
OMG  What the HELL is going on over in LONDON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!    Geesh..  

I wish people could just get over this entire religious thing!!!!!   Who cares what religion you are! 
So long as you are a kind good hearted individual, with good intentions, ...  I mean its ridiculous the amount of 
Violence and hardship this causes...  I have meet so many people that I adore in this world..  I could care less what religion they are,  that is thier personel buisness... 
 
I think its sad, that people base the value of another person because of this.. Esp because alot of people are born, into different religions and continue to follow that religion because of thier heritage...
  
Anywase my Rant for the day!  
MG~
[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Monday, December 29, 2008 8:28:59 AM 
Strat, what BSE means is that whenever countries ask for American or British help, we jump in and assist.  Be it Taiwan, Philippines, Bosnia, Somalia, etc...And no, we don't provide aid whenever it purely suits our interests.  We provide aid when there are people in trouble.  That's what America and Great Britain do. 
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, December 29, 2008 7:25:29 AM)
[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Monday, December 29, 2008 8:20:04 AM 
I agree HB.  The vast majority of Africa is beyond help.  And the worst part of cleaning up that particular mess would be equal to genocide - because putting them in prison or 'rehabiliting' them is a joke.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, December 29, 2008 8:01:02 AM)
[Head banger] Monday, December 29, 2008 8:01:02 AM 
Well, first of all, even our vast countries have limited resources.  fact is, there are troops in africa, central america, asia, etc.  but, like I said we (combined rich nations) only have so many troops.  Canada, has 1/3 of its troops overseas, be it afganistan, cyprus, or wherever.  are there places that need more help, sure.  we do the best we can.  Africa though, quite frankly most of that is beynd help IMO
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[_strat_] Monday, December 29, 2008 7:25:29 AM 
Well, even if all this moronic patriotism about "the blood of our nation" was true, it would still hardly be a compensation for the legacy of centuires of colonialism and modern day neo-colonialism. And it would definatly not be a good enough excuse for the corporate exploitation of the workforce in east Asia.

As for "whenever you are in need"... I do not know who this "you" refers to, but the fact is that the majority of the conflicts that are going on around the world never appear on our (and I suppose your) news and newspapers. If it really was about solidarity with the third world, then I guess Africa would be full of NATO troops. It isnt, tho. Western powers only interfere when their interests are in question, that is the fact of the matter.
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[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Monday, December 29, 2008 6:05:47 AM 

BSE, I think you meant that for _strat_, not Timboni.

In response to your post, I believe that a lot of the food and supplies we ship to these 3rd world countries gets hijacked (for lack of a better term) by the petty regimes and warlords who dominate the landscape of those places (calling Africa).


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[BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Monday, December 29, 2008 1:26:54 AM 
Very good answer. The 3rd world thinks that we here in the UK and you in America contribute little to the world's suffering. That's we don't give you enough from our own pockets. That we don't share the spoils of our labour. That we don't contribute enough to assist you in your wars. That our Imperialism has done little good in the plight of the poor. For heaven's sake.....we give you the most precious posession and gift we have. Our blood. The blood of our nation whenever you're in need. And then you have the odacity to condemn us? Shame us into guilt? Belittle and betray us? What more do you want from us? Thank you. a. Hammerstein
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[Head banger] Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:55:43 PM 
probably fear of either being shot, or losing what job they had.  if those in say vietnam organized then the jobs go to bangledesh.  and the police in these sorts of places dont mind mass graves.
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[_strat_] Sunday, December 28, 2008 5:35:54 PM 
Then I guess that the managers shouldnt bother with outsourcing in the first place.

The thing with rights above all takes organization and determination from those that need them. I dont know why dont the workers in the third world countries get organized and do it, but if they did, I can assure you that the stuff that goes on now with sweatsop and legal slave labour would have been washed away so soon you wouldnt even beleive it. And that would have been the right thing to do as well.
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[Head banger] Sunday, December 28, 2008 10:45:58 AM 
they cant get paid the same though, otherwise how would you pay to ship the products to north america and europe?  and if you dont make more, why do it?  I agree with the rights thing, but it takes time. Japan in the 50's was like that, by the 90's they had one of the highest standards of living around.
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[_strat_] Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:33:08 AM 
I wouldnt know about how bad they are. But the money that is saved with outsourcing is an indicator that people that do the jons overseas are terribly underpaid. Not to mention that they dont enjoy the same labour rights as we do.
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[_strat_] Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:31:05 AM 
Yeah, lol. Jesus can kiss my ass, I can run miles on water...

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[_strat_] Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:29:26 AM 
Well, I guess we could squeeze in a word or two about the US supported juntas and totalitarian regimes as well. Not everything that the US does outside its borders is good.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:54:02 PM)
[_strat_] Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:27:40 AM 
I agree, they are not interchangable, and my mistake if I sometimes use them like they are. Communism: a classless, stateless society, with no private ownership over the means of production, and also an ideology that strives for that. Socialism: a movement that includes communism, anarchism, social democracy, and other similar ideologies. Thats how I generaly define and use the terms. And yes, ideology and real life practice are very different. Thats why I often say that the so-called communist countries arent and werent communist.

Now to our elections... As I pointed out, the parties that appeared on the elections were those that were on the winning side in the war. The right wing parties collaborated with the axis, and I see that as a good enough reason as to why they shouldnt be let to participate on those elections. Hell, they shouldnt participate in any elections since. It is well known what happened to Yugoslavia when the right wing nationalists came back to power in the late 80s.

I said "propaganda" because I think that much of what you say about communism comes from the anti-communist propaganda that is and was rampant in the US. No hard feelings, its just an impression that I get.


As for the creativity and weapons... While creating and designing weapons may be creative, we still have to keep in mind the purpose behind it. The AK-47 and the M-16 assault rifles are not hunting weapons. They were made with killing humans as their purpose, as is the case with nuclear weapons. Nuclear energy itself is not a military thing. It can be used for many purposes. But nuclear weapons really only have one purpose.

As for the nuclear bombing of Japan, I cant really say much. I dont know much about the war in the pacific, although I guess it could succed without nukes, or maybe by dropping them on military instead of civilian targets. IDK.
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[spapad] Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:47:59 PM 
Sad but true
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[TIMBONI] Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:44:38 PM 
It would be nice.  Too many people ready to be offended, ready to be right, ready to hate in the name of a higher purpose.
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[spapad] Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:42:26 PM 
Amen!
Still with all the hostility in this world. Let  peace reign someday!

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[TIMBONI] Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:32:52 PM 
Or better said, hated by those that find out that freedom comes with a price tag.  We paid for it with the lives of our own.  If you can't get it done yourself, then you owe the people that gave their lives for your freedom.  I'll say it again because it bears repeating  .  .  .  .  NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE !    
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