| [_strat_] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:39:27 PM | |
|
Yeah, that is true, there are close calls, and sometimes its really down to centimeters... But then again, if you go splitting hairs like that, youre totaly missing the point of the offside rule, which is to prevent a team ganging up in the opponents penalty area, and force them into being a bit more inventive.
IDK... I still think that refs are fine. Not always - most of the times. And players complaining about decisions doesnt change them either.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:51:32 PM)| |  | Head banger wrote: | | its still a bitch to get in the right spot and see at the right time. lots of bloody close calls on offside. having worked as a linesman (before it was called referees assistant) I know that you will for sure miss things.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Refs never call games of their own countries.
There are two assistant refs on the sides, that see very well any offsides, and they usualy inform the main ref about them.
| | | ron h wrote: | | I tend to like the human element with regards to officiating, no matter the sport. I think we've all been on both sides of a bad call and it's weird because we only complain when it goes against us, yet cheer when we get lucky.
ALL of these off-sides calls are pure judgement calls as the action is fast and they have to make calls in a split-second. We fans watching on the TV really only know after seeing the slow-motion replay. 'Off-sides' seems to be the big difference maker this year, for a number of teams and not just the U.S. Although that sucks, there's been triple as many shots on goal going off the bar instead of in the net, I'm more concerned about that!!
I tend to think the sport needs better traing, maybe more ref's on the field or ref's not calling games of their own home countries (maybe that's a rule that's already in place, I don't know). What I do know is that if the U.S. made the goals they should have throughout the tournament, today would not have been so critical a match. |
|
|
|
|
| [Head banger] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:51:40 PM | |
|
NO
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:44:34 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Are you afraid that we might gang up on you?
| | | Head banger wrote: | | You two are getting dangerously close to agreeing here.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | The thing is that sometimes, those "mistakes" are not mistakes. It happens sometimes that a referee is genuinely biased, and can screw up a team. As I said, in football, a referee is a powerfull figure.
That said, no I dont get ESPN (whatever that is), I watch the games on our national television - where the commentators have a lot to say about referees too. Now, we lost today 1-0 to England, and guess who the first scapegoat is? The referee.
Personaly, I think that all this bitching about referees is just talk of sore losers, or in case of the US (which now isnt a loser - yet), they were already preparing to have a scapegoat in case they did lose. IDK - I say that we all know more or less what the rules are, and we can make our own opinions about the referees and their decisions. Yeah, there were tournaments in the past where referees were bad, but this one is nothing compared to those.
As for doing something about it... Well, I daresay there is no need. Fans will just have to accept that most of the times referees are not to blame. Sometimes they are, but usualy not.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | As I have mentioned in the past, I do NOT believe that blaming an official is EVER acceptable! Even if they DO make a mistake (which they do). The thing is, there is a remarkable abundance of discussion here on American TV regarding the poor officiating. I am watching ESPN and I assume that is what you all get over there as well? If so, I should think you would notice it also? It is rather annoying.
There are mistakes made by players, coaches AND officials. It happens. It is part of the "human element" I have mentioned. It just seems that poor officiating is the MAIN topic of discussion everyday! I mean, this must be a real problem with the game because they refer consistently to previous Cup matches and they go on and on about poor calls. If this is such an issue, implement "instant replay"! Jeez! They just go on and on about the officials. I was watching the US game this morning and the ref "disallowed" a goal which set off yet ANOTHER barrage of complaining about the officials. Replace them. Shoot them. Do SOMETHING! If it is so bad that it continues to be the biggest news in the tournament, DO something about it.
Edited at: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:17:14 AM |
|
|
|
|
|
| [Head banger] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:51:32 PM | |
|
its still a bitch to get in the right spot and see at the right time. lots of bloody close calls on offside. having worked as a linesman (before it was called referees assistant) I know that you will for sure miss things.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:08:15 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Refs never call games of their own countries.
There are two assistant refs on the sides, that see very well any offsides, and they usualy inform the main ref about them.
| | | ron h wrote: | | I tend to like the human element with regards to officiating, no matter the sport. I think we've all been on both sides of a bad call and it's weird because we only complain when it goes against us, yet cheer when we get lucky.
ALL of these off-sides calls are pure judgement calls as the action is fast and they have to make calls in a split-second. We fans watching on the TV really only know after seeing the slow-motion replay. 'Off-sides' seems to be the big difference maker this year, for a number of teams and not just the U.S. Although that sucks, there's been triple as many shots on goal going off the bar instead of in the net, I'm more concerned about that!!
I tend to think the sport needs better traing, maybe more ref's on the field or ref's not calling games of their own home countries (maybe that's a rule that's already in place, I don't know). What I do know is that if the U.S. made the goals they should have throughout the tournament, today would not have been so critical a match. |
|
|
|
| [_strat_] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 2:34:15 PM | |
|
well... You would know.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 2:31:53 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It already is.....BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Geek, yank, hamburger man!!! May the spirit of Stalin guide your new ball into the most expensive and fragile object in your house! May the swarm of bees from your wall sting your behind until it is big and red!
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Socialist, bastard, Commie sympathizer! May the Eye of Horus turn your evil army of the undead back into dust!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | | Ok, shit happens... Now, round of 16... Im rooting for Ghana and Germany when they play against the US and England respectively. |
|
|
|
|
|
| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 2:31:53 PM | |
|
It already is.....BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:59:25 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Geek, yank, hamburger man!!! May the spirit of Stalin guide your new ball into the most expensive and fragile object in your house! May the swarm of bees from your wall sting your behind until it is big and red!
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Socialist, bastard, Commie sympathizer! May the Eye of Horus turn your evil army of the undead back into dust!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | | Ok, shit happens... Now, round of 16... Im rooting for Ghana and Germany when they play against the US and England respectively. |
|
|
|
|
| [_strat_] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 2:00:13 PM | |
|
...there are tigers in Detroit?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:45:05 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Oh, quit pussyfooting around and just out and name my BELOVED DETROIT TIGERS!!! THEY WERE ROBBED!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Strat and I agreeing..??!?!? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Please!!! HAHAHAHAHHA!! I really doubt the US team had a planned target (the official) if they were to lose. Seems to me that they would be wasting their time actually playing this game if that were the case. I mean, just mail it in and blame others....although THAT might be more entertaining...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! ANYHOOO-
You know you do make sense, Ron. I have already said I like the human element as well. I guess the only thing these soccer guys can (or SHOULD) do is OWN UP to it when they blow a call. Case in point;
Recently here in the US, a baseball umpire cost a pitcher a place in history with a very bad call. Replays clearly showed he had blown the call. The next day, not only did he take ownership and apologize, there was a VERY emotional meeting prior to the next game between him and the young man that had lost due to his call. The umpire in question was actually tearful and SO very remorseful. It took a real man to admit what he did, especially given that the player lost a spot in the history books!
Seems to me that these soccer fellows think themselves "above" question. They are arrogant and, frankly, they seem to be terribly inadequate given that this is a "world" event! One would think that the FIFA people would try to get more qualified officials. Just my observation. As I readily admit, I have NO idea what is going on and I am relying solely on the comments of the so-called "professionals" on my TV. That said, they are STILL going on about the poor officiating.
Edited at: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:21:42 PM |
|
|
|
| [_strat_] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:59:25 PM | |
|
Geek, yank, hamburger man!!! May the spirit of Stalin guide your new ball into the most expensive and fragile object in your house! May the swarm of bees from your wall sting your behind until it is big and red!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:40:58 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Socialist, bastard, Commie sympathizer! May the Eye of Horus turn your evil army of the undead back into dust!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | | Ok, shit happens... Now, round of 16... Im rooting for Ghana and Germany when they play against the US and England respectively. |
|
|
|
| [guidogodoy] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:45:05 PM | |
|
Oh, quit pussyfooting around and just out and name my BELOVED DETROIT TIGERS!!! THEY WERE ROBBED!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:19:41 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Strat and I agreeing..??!?!? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Please!!! HAHAHAHAHHA!! I really doubt the US team had a planned target (the official) if they were to lose. Seems to me that they would be wasting their time actually playing this game if that were the case. I mean, just mail it in and blame others....although THAT might be more entertaining...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! ANYHOOO-
You know you do make sense, Ron. I have already said I like the human element as well. I guess the only thing these soccer guys can (or SHOULD) do is OWN UP to it when they blow a call. Case in point;
Recently here in the US, a baseball umpire cost a pitcher a place in history with a very bad call. Replays clearly showed he had blown the call. The next day, not only did he take ownership and apologize, there was a VERY emotional meeting prior to the next game between him and the young man that had lost due to his call. The umpire in question was actually tearful and SO very remorseful. It took a real man to admit what he did, especially given that the player lost a spot in the history books!
Seems to me that these soccer fellows think themselves "above" question. They are arrogant and, frankly, they seem to be terribly inadequate given that this is a "world" event! One would think that the FIFA people would try to get more qualified officials. Just my observation. As I readily admit, I have NO idea what is going on and I am relying solely on the comments of the so-called "professionals" on my TV. That said, they are STILL going on about the poor officiating.
Edited at: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:21:42 PM |
|
|
| [Becks] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:44:45 PM | |
|
Hmmm not a bad idea. I like the idea of a television match official, like a 4th umpire. If there's a call the ref is unsure of, go up there, and with football the good thing is on video review it's often very obvious what has happened, so a decision can be made quicker than people think.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:43:26 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I think what they do in other sports would be nice. Two challenges. If they win, it doesn't count against them, if it stands, they lose one of the two.
Wouldn't stop the flow of the game rather be used sparingly.
| | | Becks wrote: | | There has been some craptacular umpiring at this world cup, due to the human error element of things. It's not so much arrogance, but the fact that what the ref says goes cos there is no third umpire of any kind. In saying that, I do believe FIfa need to get with the times and start using video refs for contentious or 50/50 calls. That's just Fifa being very old school though. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:19:41 PM)
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
|
Strat and I agreeing..??!?!? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Please!!! HAHAHAHAHHA!! I really doubt the US team had a planned target (the official) if they were to lose. Seems to me that they would be wasting their time actually playing this game if that were the case. I mean, just mail it in and blame others....although THAT might be more entertaining...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! ANYHOOO-
You know you do make sense, Ron. I have already said I like the human element as well. I guess the only thing these soccer guys can (or SHOULD) do is OWN UP to it when they blow a call. Case in point;
Recently here in the US, a baseball umpire cost a pitcher a place in history with a very bad call. Replays clearly showed he had blown the call. The next day, not only did he take ownership and apologize, there was a VERY emotional meeting prior to the next game between him and the young man that had lost due to his call. The umpire in question was actually tearful and SO very remorseful. It took a real man to admit what he did, especially given that the player lost a spot in the history books!
Seems to me that these soccer fellows think themselves "above" question. They are arrogant and, frankly, they seem to be terribly inadequate given that this is a "world" event! One would think that the FIFA people would try to get more qualified officials. Just my observation. As I readily admit, I have NO idea what is going on and I am relying solely on the comments of the so-called "professionals" on my TV. That said, they are STILL going on about the poor officiating.
Edited at: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:21:42 PM |
Edited at: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:23:13 PM |
|
|
|
| [guidogodoy] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:43:26 PM | |
|
I think what they do in other sports would be nice. Two challenges. If they win, it doesn't count against them, if it stands, they lose one of the two.
Wouldn't stop the flow of the game rather be used sparingly.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:22:28 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | There has been some craptacular umpiring at this world cup, due to the human error element of things. It's not so much arrogance, but the fact that what the ref says goes cos there is no third umpire of any kind. In saying that, I do believe FIfa need to get with the times and start using video refs for contentious or 50/50 calls. That's just Fifa being very old school though. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:19:41 PM)
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
|
Strat and I agreeing..??!?!? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Please!!! HAHAHAHAHHA!! I really doubt the US team had a planned target (the official) if they were to lose. Seems to me that they would be wasting their time actually playing this game if that were the case. I mean, just mail it in and blame others....although THAT might be more entertaining...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! ANYHOOO-
You know you do make sense, Ron. I have already said I like the human element as well. I guess the only thing these soccer guys can (or SHOULD) do is OWN UP to it when they blow a call. Case in point;
Recently here in the US, a baseball umpire cost a pitcher a place in history with a very bad call. Replays clearly showed he had blown the call. The next day, not only did he take ownership and apologize, there was a VERY emotional meeting prior to the next game between him and the young man that had lost due to his call. The umpire in question was actually tearful and SO very remorseful. It took a real man to admit what he did, especially given that the player lost a spot in the history books!
Seems to me that these soccer fellows think themselves "above" question. They are arrogant and, frankly, they seem to be terribly inadequate given that this is a "world" event! One would think that the FIFA people would try to get more qualified officials. Just my observation. As I readily admit, I have NO idea what is going on and I am relying solely on the comments of the so-called "professionals" on my TV. That said, they are STILL going on about the poor officiating.
Edited at: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:21:42 PM |
Edited at: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:23:13 PM |
|
|
| [guidogodoy] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:40:58 PM | |
|
Socialist, bastard, Commie sympathizer! May the Eye of Horus turn your evil army of the undead back into dust!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:36:52 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | | Ok, shit happens... Now, round of 16... Im rooting for Ghana and Germany when they play against the US and England respectively. |
|
|
| [Becks] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:39:55 PM | |
|
Hmmm, Germany vs England, who should I cheer for! Argh! LOL! I'll be cheering for Ghana against the US I think.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:34:37 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.......................... This is NOT a good day.
Screwed by the English TWICE today. First when theyve beaten our boys, now their penal colony screwed our southern brothers... Someone has to consider bombing them right now... I hope uncle Putin is reading this. |
|
|
| [_strat_] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:36:52 PM | |
|
| Ok, shit happens... Now, round of 16... Im rooting for Ghana and Germany when they play against the US and England respectively. |
|
| [ron h] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:34:59 PM | |
|
Very true Freeze. There's the rare occasion a ref or ump or judge admits their err. The example you gave was excellent. I think the majority of us are a forgiving bunch, just do the right thing even if admitting so won't change the outcome...one does have to find a way to sleep at night you'd think?!?! lol You're also dead-on about how the have an air of arrogance about them. At the same time, these players are the 'stars' of their respect hometown teams, the 'best of the best' if you will, most (if not all) of these players have ego's to match!! It takes a lot to stand up to these characters...not defending them, just an observation. I can see why they get physically attacked at times lol worse yet, I remember hearing about a goalie who was attacked and killed after he gave up a goal!! I bet they run straight home after each match!! lol
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:19:41 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Strat and I agreeing..??!?!? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Please!!! HAHAHAHAHHA!! I really doubt the US team had a planned target (the official) if they were to lose. Seems to me that they would be wasting their time actually playing this game if that were the case. I mean, just mail it in and blame others....although THAT might be more entertaining...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! ANYHOOO-
You know you do make sense, Ron. I have already said I like the human element as well. I guess the only thing these soccer guys can (or SHOULD) do is OWN UP to it when they blow a call. Case in point;
Recently here in the US, a baseball umpire cost a pitcher a place in history with a very bad call. Replays clearly showed he had blown the call. The next day, not only did he take ownership and apologize, there was a VERY emotional meeting prior to the next game between him and the young man that had lost due to his call. The umpire in question was actually tearful and SO very remorseful. It took a real man to admit what he did, especially given that the player lost a spot in the history books!
Seems to me that these soccer fellows think themselves "above" question. They are arrogant and, frankly, they seem to be terribly inadequate given that this is a "world" event! One would think that the FIFA people would try to get more qualified officials. Just my observation. As I readily admit, I have NO idea what is going on and I am relying solely on the comments of the so-called "professionals" on my TV. That said, they are STILL going on about the poor officiating.
Edited at: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:21:42 PM |
|
|
| [_strat_] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:34:37 PM | |
|
Oh, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.......................... This is NOT a good day.
Screwed by the English TWICE today. First when theyve beaten our boys, now their penal colony screwed our southern brothers... Someone has to consider bombing them right now... I hope uncle Putin is reading this. |
|
| [Becks] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:22:28 PM | |
|
There has been some craptacular umpiring at this world cup, due to the human error element of things. It's not so much arrogance, but the fact that what the ref says goes cos there is no third umpire of any kind. In saying that, I do believe FIfa need to get with the times and start using video refs for contentious or 50/50 calls. That's just Fifa being very old school though. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:19:41 PM)
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
|
Strat and I agreeing..??!?!? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Please!!! HAHAHAHAHHA!! I really doubt the US team had a planned target (the official) if they were to lose. Seems to me that they would be wasting their time actually playing this game if that were the case. I mean, just mail it in and blame others....although THAT might be more entertaining...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! ANYHOOO-
You know you do make sense, Ron. I have already said I like the human element as well. I guess the only thing these soccer guys can (or SHOULD) do is OWN UP to it when they blow a call. Case in point;
Recently here in the US, a baseball umpire cost a pitcher a place in history with a very bad call. Replays clearly showed he had blown the call. The next day, not only did he take ownership and apologize, there was a VERY emotional meeting prior to the next game between him and the young man that had lost due to his call. The umpire in question was actually tearful and SO very remorseful. It took a real man to admit what he did, especially given that the player lost a spot in the history books!
Seems to me that these soccer fellows think themselves "above" question. They are arrogant and, frankly, they seem to be terribly inadequate given that this is a "world" event! One would think that the FIFA people would try to get more qualified officials. Just my observation. As I readily admit, I have NO idea what is going on and I am relying solely on the comments of the so-called "professionals" on my TV. That said, they are STILL going on about the poor officiating.
Edited at: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:21:42 PM |
Edited at: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:23:13 PM |
|
| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:19:41 PM | |
|
Strat and I agreeing..??!?!? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Please!!! HAHAHAHAHHA!! I really doubt the US team had a planned target (the official) if they were to lose. Seems to me that they would be wasting their time actually playing this game if that were the case. I mean, just mail it in and blame others....although THAT might be more entertaining...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! ANYHOOO-
You know you do make sense, Ron. I have already said I like the human element as well. I guess the only thing these soccer guys can (or SHOULD) do is OWN UP to it when they blow a call. Case in point;
Recently here in the US, a baseball umpire cost a pitcher a place in history with a very bad call. Replays clearly showed he had blown the call. The next day, not only did he take ownership and apologize, there was a VERY emotional meeting prior to the next game between him and the young man that had lost due to his call. The umpire in question was actually tearful and SO very remorseful. It took a real man to admit what he did, especially given that the player lost a spot in the history books!
Seems to me that these soccer fellows think themselves "above" question. They are arrogant and, frankly, they seem to be terribly inadequate given that this is a "world" event! One would think that the FIFA people would try to get more qualified officials. Just my observation. As I readily admit, I have NO idea what is going on and I am relying solely on the comments of the so-called "professionals" on my TV. That said, they are STILL going on about the poor officiating.
Edited at: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:21:42 PM |
|
| [Becks] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:10:08 PM | |
|
| Woopsy, the ball is proving hard for keepers to handle - wee spill by the Aussie goalie and Serbia claw back to 2-1. |
|
| [Becks] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:59:33 PM | |
|
| I say again - feckin Aussies! LOL! 2-0 now. Stupid Brett Holman, Mr Last Gasp against NZ in a friendly. Gah, stupid. |
|
| [Becks] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:56:12 PM | |
|
| Feckin Aussies, 1-0 over Serbia now. It was uber prick Tim Cahill who scored too, dang. |
|
