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[_strat_] Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:51:06 AM 
THIS really made my day.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:11:01 PM)
[_strat_] Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:50:26 AM 
Yeah, but how can they leave Canada if the people dont want it?
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:22:02 PM)
[Head banger] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:22:14 PM 
typical of politicians
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[SkyRideR] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:57:50 PM 
i heard that obama may not be a us citizen and his certificate of live birth was a counterfiet...what gives?
[guidogodoy] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:31:13 PM 
I liked that one!
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[Head banger] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:11:01 PM 

Judy Wallman, a professional genealogical researcher, discovered that Canadian Liberal Party leader Stéphane Dion’s great uncle, Robert Dion, was hanged for horse stealing and train robbery in Quebec in 1889. The only known photograph of Dion shows him standing on the gallows. On the back of the picture is this inscription:

 

“Robert Dion; horse thief, sent to Quebec Provincial Prison 1883, escaped 1887, robbed the Canadian Pacific Railway six times. Caught by Pinkerton detectives, convicted, and hanged in 1889.”

 

Judy e-mailed Stephen Dion for comments. Dion’s staff sent back the following biographical sketch:

 

“Robert Dion was a famous horseman in Quebec . His business empire grew to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings with the Canadian Pacific Railroad. Beginning in 1883, he devoted several years of his life to service at a government facility, finally taking leave in 1887 to resume his dealings with the railroad. Subsequently, he was a key player in a vital investigation run by the renowned Pinkerton Detective Agency. In 1889, Dion passed away during an important civic function held in his honour, when the platform on which he was standing collapsed.”

[Deep Freeze] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:15:06 PM 

UP THE IRONS!!!!!!!!!!!   HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!        Good luck, WW! 




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Edited at: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:15:55 PM
[WhiskeyWoman] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:11:52 PM 



HB... this is awesome!  Thanks...  have sent it to a few protesters I know who are going to the Rallies in BC and SK.  Are you going to the one in Calgary on Saturday?  (I can bring that magazine & meet up, if you like...  Do you want me to make up a poster for you!?)

I, for one, am making that lovely little symbol above into a placard and crashing the PRO-Coalition rally in Edmonton tomorrow night ... enemy territory, and Edmonton being what it is ... we'll just try not to get arrested, or further maimed in any way!

I'm sure they won't appreciate this sign, nor  the other one with a Maple Leaf and "RIP" on a tombstone...  But, we will be there to throw a wrench into their joyous little pirate party -- rolling up with JP's "Revolution" blasting away...

Have pm'd you our phone numbers, as don't know when I'll be back to check on your possible attendance.

"All it takes for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke

"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men."
-Plato

[Head banger] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:22:02 PM 
well, they have it figured out, threaten to leave and the govt tosses them cash to stay.  its an industry now.
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[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:07:34 PM 
LMAO... Iam trying to figure all this out myself????  Canadas politics ect.. Iam a newbe to this country..  Just when I think I have the go with the flow of it... Something else happens...LOL    I have given up...  what ever may be.. will be.. 
American politics.. well that will always be a mess to I guess..  LOL
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[_strat_] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:51:56 AM 
Beats me. Whats with this Quebec anyway? Ive heard that there were a couple referendums already, and always failed. Dont they know when to give up?
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[Head banger] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:24:56 AM 
Ha.  these idiots are trying to install themselfs as a coalition, its a meeting of left wing, left/center, and the quebec party that wants to separate from canada.  how can you have a coalition with a separatist party?
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[_strat_] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:10:11 AM 
Putin is just about to get crowned as a new Russian Tsar. I dont think that Canada interests him that much.
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[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:43:53 AM 
I believe Vladimir Putin wants to emigrate to Canada.
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[_strat_] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:36:56 AM 
I take it you finaly got a decent government over there? How much does a plane ticket to Canada cost?
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[Head banger] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:26:22 AM 
[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:46:50 AM 
Not to seem disparaging or self-centered, Kendall....but like a great many Americans, all I want is what I see as fair to me.  And please, spare me the hocus pocus conspiracy theories.  It's actually starting to become borish and redundant.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Kendall aka JudasRyche from Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:11:40 PM)
[_strat_] Friday, November 21, 2008 4:22:55 PM 
Why, anyone that has interests that have connection to the state. It can be a religious organization (like the Catholic Church) that wants more influence over the educational system or organs of repression and aims for a legislation that would allow it. It could be a weapons manufacturer that wants to make a bussines deal with the military that is under government control and resorts to bribery or personal contacts. It could be a lot of things. 

The influence and power of politicians differs from country to country, from system to system, and of course it depends on the function of an individual politician. But the politicians do hold the power over legislature, budget and spendings, organs of repression, etc.
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[Kendall aka JudasRyche] Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:11:40 PM 

Darth...  Yes it's fact, and great analogy to an authorized author such as Dan Brown and his fiction.  Like all culture creation(books fictiion and non, music, movies, theatre, etc.), it is all Predictive Programming.  All of these big boys like Dan Brown. Lucas, Speilberg,Arthur C. Clarke,etc. are given themes and real information by the think tanks of the foundations, such as the CFR, to include in their heavily funded and distributed works.

People must read the works of the major players for the elite's foundations, such as:
Bertrand Russell, Zbigniev Brezinzski, Alvin Toffler, Carol Quigley,Charles Galton Darwin,Arthur Keostoler,etc. And you will get the agenda and the methods that are carried out.  You will not get this from your TV! But you can do your own research.  Don't let others do your thinking for you.  Fact is given to you by those who are doing all of this.  Very simple.


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[Kendall aka JudasRyche] Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:33:17 AM 
stratlover wrote:
 
I quite agree. While it is obvious that in any capitalist country big buisinesses are in bed with politics, I dont think that the Orwellian scenario is the right one to describe the situation. I think its more the case that politicians will offer their power and influence to the highest bidder. 

Who are the "highest bidder"(s)?   And what would these "bidders" do with this influence and power? And what power and what influence so politicians have?


we're on a real roll now, into this increasing totalitarianistic society and we're hearing the terms used of ‘a world of service’. Obama had it, on his website in fact, one of his speeches, that's now been pulled, just prior to the Election. Bring in a 'world of service', a 'country of service'. The same terminology, in fact, he uses as the Cecil Rhodes Foundation for global governance and the Royal Institute of International Affairs, or the CFR, which are both the same thing. The “global citizenship” etc.
All of these terms came from the Royal Institute of International Affairs and they're on a roll now, to bring in this global society and most people think 'Well, what's wrong with that? We're all people, we're all decent people aren't we?' and we've had 40 years of indoctrination into multicultural agenda, to try not to make people really, as much accept multiculturalism, but to make them become less nationalistic, that was the real purpose of it. As I say, we're decent people, why not have this global society? Well, it's not going to be the kind of fairyland society that people imagine. In fact it could be a prison, your own country with its borders could be a prison because, you see, in the Brave New World scenario, according to Jacques Attali and other authors, who work now with the United Nations, the one who said that the next boat people leaving the American shores will be Americans, looking for work abroad, in his book Millennium. You find that they can keep you inside the border electronically, when we're all electronically-tagged.
The push is on now, for the chipped passport, for all Canadians and U.S. citizens, Mexicans and so on. Eventually, it will be extended all through the Americas, all Latin America, because they're all scheduled to come in to the system, in the same fashion that they brought in all the other countries into the E.U. (Economic Union of Europe). When it's time for them and they've had enough work done on them, and the same system has been introduced and accepted, then they bring them in. Long-term strategy, long-long-term strategy; and, I mentioned when this last farce of an economic bubble, not quite burst, it sort of bubbled a bit and floundered but really, they could have pulled that bubble one anytime they wished because the Stock Market has always been rigged, from its very inception. They could have kept the same con game going for another 50 years, if they wanted to; so, why did they do it now? Well, it's time you see, to bring in the new economic society, where money and the 'power of the purse' will be used to control every single person and make you behave and accept your new indoctrination of political correctness and, just like a computer program, every week, you'll have a new version of political correctness. The 'double think' that I mentioned last week, of George Orwell and the ability to hold two opposing opinions in your head, at the same time, and believe in both of them. The schizoid system that they're bring in   ....
This is from Reuters UK News and how they're going to use this crisis, you see, to bring in their system; and, this is from November the 10th 2008:-
Brown says time to build global society
The Prime Minister of Britain, Mr. Brown, says:- 
Time to build a global society. The international financial crisis has given world leaders a unique opportunity to create a truly global society, Prime Minister Gordon Brown will say, in a keynote policy speech on Monday  
You understand these men are just front men, they read speeches written by professional script writers. There was even a scandal in Canada recently, where the Prime Minister had read a script and it came out in the mainstream media that they borrowed most of it from the Prime Minister of Australia, in one of his speeches. They're just front men you see. So, he will say this you see, I guess they hand it out to all the major newspaper companies, before he gives a speech.  
In his annual speech at the Lord Mayor's Banquet, Brown who has spearheaded calls for the reform of international financial institutions will say Britain...  
Will say huh!  
... Britain, the United States and Europe are key to forging a new world order  
Something they can say, without being conspiracy nuts; but if you mention it, you're a conspiracy nut.  
“The alliance between Britain and the U.S. -- and more broadly between Europe and the U.S. -- can and must provide leadership, not in order to make the rules ourselves, but to lead the global effort to build a stronger and more just international order," an excerpt from the speech says.  
Why not just print the speech up and they could save some bucks, he wouldn't have to go and attend this thing?  
Brown and other leaders meet in Washington next weekend to discuss longer term solutions for dealing with economic issues following a series of coordinated moves on interest rates and to recapitalise banks in the wake of the financial crisis. Uniquely in this global age, it is now in our power to come together so that 2008 is remembered not just for the failure of a financial crash that engulfed the world but for the resilience and optimism, with which we faced the storm,  
Oh, the poor script writer, you know, a 'B' grade movie one. 
Brown will say in his speech on Monday evening "...And if we learn from our experience of turning unity of purpose into unity of action  
Where have we heard these terms before?  
we can together seize this moment of change in our world to create a truly global society. According to a summary of the speech released by his office, Brown will set out five great challenges the world faces  
They always love 'Five', for the five points in Masonry.  
These are terrorism and extremism and the need to reassert faith in democracy  
They should invent democracy because we've never had it  
He said "the global economy; climate change; conflict and mechanisms for rebuilding states after conflict;  
This, after they go and flatten what's already there. You understand that war is a renovation job; do you understand that's what it is? When they blasted all of the infrastructure out of Afghanistan, their water supplies, the factories that made the baby food, they were flattened too, they claimed they were making chemicals there, until they found nothing but, well, powdered baby food. They flattened everything and they also demolished all the old oil refineries, they said they were obsolete, therefore it was better to bomb them from the air, using U.S. tax money, and they would rebuild new ones, for Halliburton and so on, which they've done. War is a renovation job. They did the same thing in Japan at the end of World War Two, flattened, burned out Tokyo and the big boys, the Halliburtons of their day get the big contracts to go in and rebuild them. Here he goes on here: 
I'm "meeting goals on tackling poverty and disease   
Well these are the guys, these are the guys who want to bring the population down, by using disease; and, as they say: 'well the poor will always be with us', and they make sure of that. They've got to have the poor, you see, because you can always get one half of the poor to kill the other half. That's what the military is all about, that's how it works this way, and they can always create class distinction and conflict when it suits them.  
Brown will also identify five stages for tackling the economy, starting with recapitalising banks so they can resume lending to families  
Ha ha  
and businesses, and better international co-ordination of fiscal and monetary policy.  
Then it goes on and on and on, this handout that they give about the speech, before anyone else actually gives the speech! It's quite a joke isn't it? 

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