| [truckreye] Wednesday, December 23, 2009 4:22:00 PM | |
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| Wow I cant speak for the "intracacies" of Judas Priest I started listening to preist about '81 or '82 and I thought they kicked ass and still do but thanks for expanding my vocab.ROCK ON!!! |
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:12:15 AM | |
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I see. That certainly is a way of looking at it. I agree that Priest have always been innovative and intricate. I have always enjoyed how they do not use vulgarity in their lyrics, for example. Taking the "high road", as it were. The composition of the music is technical and well. It shows how talented the Band really is.
Again, I am not one of those that "hates" Nostra nor do I think it is a "bad" album. It is technical genius, for sure. It has layers and deepness that only a few bands can pull off anyway. I just do not care for it. I was not and I am still not a fan of the "Ripper" years. Not that I dislike Tim Owens, just that I do not care for the musical direction the Band took during that period. Far more "NU" Metal sounding, to me. Far less technical and melodic. Just my observations.
I appreciate your opinion. No need to fear that anyone would get angry. This is an intelligent discussion and I like that. We need not agree on every, single aspect to have a good chat about it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Nicky007 from Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:20:22 AM)| |  | Nicky007 wrote: | | Mike, in my experience, it's not so much the fact that they made a concept album and brought some interesting themes together in a cohesive whole - yes, that's also surprising, and great - but it's more the music itself; it's so mature, and deep.
OK, now that I'v gone more into Priest music, I can see that they'v been seeking and experimenting all along, and they certainly have formed metal much more than metalheads outside of the Priest community are willing to acknowledge. There definitely is some unusual intelligence in several of the Priest guys.
When I hear Nostra, I get the picture of highly intelligent and innovative musicians, who have always been ahead of their big fanbase, but during those 40 years never willing to take the big risk that's probably been at the back of their minds for long. You hear some of it coming along in Jugulator and Angel.
The big risk is what Floyd took with all their Waters-albums, and thus they created masterpieces all along.
Now Priest have made that jump into the unknown ... and have been surprisingly successful with it imo. I think it's fully justified to compare Nostra with The Wall. They'r similar in many ways, except that the music is so clearly Priest's, and Priest's alone, nobody else comes close - they really broke ground with this one. People will be talking about Nostra for decades to come - I'm certain about that !!!
This might not be the right place to have this discussion, but I'v been on so many boards, and sufficiently thru the fave this and that, and I certainly prefer a discussion like this one. Hope nobody is disgruntled 
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| [Nicky007] Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:20:22 AM | |
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Mike, in my experience, it's not so much the fact that they made a concept album and brought some interesting themes together in a cohesive whole - yes, that's also surprising, and great - but it's more the music itself; it's so mature, and deep.
OK, now that I'v gone more into Priest music, I can see that they'v been seeking and experimenting all along, and they certainly have formed metal much more than metalheads outside of the Priest community are willing to acknowledge. There definitely is some unusual intelligence in several of the Priest guys.
When I hear Nostra, I get the picture of highly intelligent and innovative musicians, who have always been ahead of their big fanbase, but during those 40 years never willing to take the big risk that's probably been at the back of their minds for long. You hear some of it coming along in Jugulator and Angel.
The big risk is what Floyd took with all their Waters-albums, and thus they created masterpieces all along.
Now Priest have made that jump into the unknown ... and have been surprisingly successful with it imo. I think it's fully justified to compare Nostra with The Wall. They'r similar in many ways, except that the music is so clearly Priest's, and Priest's alone, nobody else comes close - they really broke ground with this one. People will be talking about Nostra for decades to come - I'm certain about that !!!
This might not be the right place to have this discussion, but I'v been on so many boards, and sufficiently thru the fave this and that, and I certainly prefer a discussion like this one. Hope nobody is disgruntled
Nicky. Edited at: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:21:47 AM
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| [K2M] Tuesday, December 22, 2009 6:36:09 PM | |
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| [Deep Freeze] Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:12:02 PM | |
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Well, that is certainly one point of view. I mean, I cannot say for certain what was in their minds but I do recall past discussions regarding this subject and the varying thoughts.
Quite frankly, it is not all that "surprising" to me. Perhaps it is simply a matter of doing what they want rather than churning out one "heavy" album after another. Pink Floyd did "The Wall", The Who has "Tommy". It is not anything new for a big name act to do a concept album. Its almost as if the guys decided they wanted to express themselves in a more creative and in-depth fashion. I really cannot say. Surely they can write heavy albums just as quickly as we write a letter. In fact, they likely have several songs already written. I believe Glenn has mentioned that they have a lot of material that does not make albums and ends up saved for future endeavors.
I am not a huge fan of Nostra. I don't "hate" it but it is not among my favorites. That does not mean it is a bad album. It is just not my "cup of tea", so to speak.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Nicky007 from Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:12:21 AM)| | | Nicky007 wrote: | | Mike (Deep Freeze), I'd say that Nostra is a complete change of course for Priest, Angel being a feeler in this direction.
I see on the board that some Priest fans recognise their beloved group in Nostra, some even find this change exciting, and others are disappointed.
And I understand the disappointment: I see that lotta, maybe most, Priest fans are into groups like Maiden, Testament, Megadeth, Slayer, and AC/DC. For my part, I like Slayer somewhat, but the other four groups don't do much for me.
Otoh I expect that Nostra is attracting an entirely different crowd: proggies (like me) - fans of Dream Theater, Symphony X, Queensrÿche, maybe even Arena.
I'm utterly surprised and dumbstruck by the fact that Rob & Co. made such a radical turn almost 40 years into their career, the guys being in their fifties. Unbelievable - I don't think anything like that's ever happened before ! The closest I can think of is Johnny Cash, who churned out endless albums with monotonous country stuff (hey, I didnt say "crap"), and then just before the end, together with Rick Rubin, made the amazingly deep, spiritual American Recordings 
Nicky.
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| [Nicky007] Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:12:21 AM | |
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Mike (Deep Freeze), I'd say that Nostra is a complete change of course for Priest, Angel being a feeler in this direction.
I see on the board that some Priest fans recognise their beloved group in Nostra, some even find this change exciting, and others are disappointed.
And I understand the disappointment: I see that lotta, maybe most, Priest fans are into groups like Maiden, Testament, Megadeth, Slayer, and AC/DC. For my part, I like Slayer somewhat, but the other four groups don't do much for me.
Otoh I expect that Nostra is attracting an entirely different crowd: proggies (like me) - fans of Dream Theater, Symphony X, Queensrÿche, maybe even Arena.
I'm utterly surprised and dumbstruck by the fact that Rob & Co. made such a radical turn almost 40 years into their career, the guys being in their fifties. Unbelievable - I don't think anything like that's ever happened before ! The closest I can think of is Johnny Cash, who churned out endless albums with monotonous country stuff (hey, I didnt say "crap"), and then just before the end, together with Rick Rubin, made the amazingly deep, spiritual American Recordings
Nicky.
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| [Deep Freeze] Tuesday, December 22, 2009 7:50:44 AM | |
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That's interesting, given that Nostra was not as well received as so many albums before it. Still, I do believe it has its moments of brilliance and certainly it is not a "bad" album. I recall hearing Sad Wings back in the early 70's and being just blown away. I actually bought Sin After Sin first, I think..(Oh, so long ago for an aging Metalhead) Nonetheless, it should think it really doesn't matter how you got here, so long as you are!
I don't think I will ever forget Unleashed, though. That album just put me "over the edge". I had graduated high school and was starting college and I remember playing that damn thing constantly!
Quite frankly Nicky, you're HERE so you have earned your Priesthood as far as I am concerned!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Nicky007 from Tuesday, December 22, 2009 7:15:28 AM)| | | Nicky007 wrote: | | It might surprise you guys, but Priest didnt grip me much thru the many years ... until I heard Nostradamus two months ago. Within three spins this masterpiece had catapulted in my world from being completely unknown to being my fave album by any group 
Consequently, I naturally had to immerse myself into the stuff the guys had done before that, and I was fortunate to find Metalogy at the library, and the Angel songs on the official JP MySpace page (I'm totally poor these days), and the fabulous world of Priest opened up to me with pearls like Angel, Blood Red Skies, Heavy Metal, and A Touch Of Evil.
And now I'm here, waiting for my Priesthood 
Sooooo, I'v only been a real Priest fan for two months. Crazy, ainit 
Sure curious to see what their next step is. Expecting somethin totally surprisin 
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| [Nicky007] Tuesday, December 22, 2009 7:15:28 AM | |
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It might surprise you guys, but Priest didnt grip me much thru the many years ... until I heard Nostradamus two months ago. Within three spins this masterpiece had catapulted in my world from being completely unknown to being my fave album by any group
Consequently, I naturally had to immerse myself into the stuff the guys had done before that, and I was fortunate to find Metalogy at the library, and the Angel songs on the official JP MySpace page (I'm totally poor these days), and the fabulous world of Priest opened up to me with pearls like Angel, Blood Red Skies, Heavy Metal, and A Touch Of Evil.
And now I'm here, waiting for my Priesthood
Sooooo, I'v only been a real Priest fan for two months. Crazy, ainit
Sure curious to see what their next step is. Expecting somethin totally surprisin
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| [iamnostradamus88] Monday, December 21, 2009 10:26:10 PM | |
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i'm a new fan or a NU fan as some of you folks like to call us. It all started back in 2003. I was 14 and a buddy gave me Edward The Great(Iron Maiden hits package) and Living After Midnight(obviously Judas Priest hits package). The priest hits I enjoyed so much more and listened to it all the time. The maiden one pretty much became a novelty on my shelf at that point(i started appreciating maiden about a year later). Around that time I was working at a White Castle fast food joint with a Tower Records right nextdoor. On saturdays i'd go to work, get paid and on my break i'd go and spend it all in Tower. Pretty much every classic priest album I bought there. Good time to get into priest too being they were just about ready to reunite, tour, and put out a kick ass new record. That Tower records has long since been shut down :-( God I miss that place. So i've been defending my faith since 2003!
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| [acolyte55] Monday, December 21, 2009 1:11:28 AM | |
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| [jane_nothing] Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:19:46 PM | |
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since rocka rolla
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Ageneral3 from Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:07:52 PM)| | | Ageneral3 wrote: | | I first heard Judas Priest in 1980, BLASTING 'Living after Midnight' from a friends basement. I was in total awe, holy s**t, what a sound. Priest is my fav group, head and shoulders above them all. First concert at Madison Square Garden, '83, when all of the seat cushions were ripped out of the seats, and KK literally had to wade knee deep in foam to finish the encore....I thought this must occur at every concert, though I do not think right to do. I have an 11 year old daughter now who has seen twice with me (her call) at the PNC Art Center in NJ, together...all great shows, am looking forward to full Nostradamus production and Priest in Hall of Fame,
keep the faith, this band deserves all our support.
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| [Ageneral3] Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:07:52 PM | |
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I first heard Judas Priest in 1980, BLASTING 'Living after Midnight' from a friends basement. I was in total awe, holy s**t, what a sound. Priest is my fav group, head and shoulders above them all. First concert at Madison Square Garden, '83, when all of the seat cushions were ripped out of the seats, and KK literally had to wade knee deep in foam to finish the encore....I thought this must occur at every concert, though I do not think right to do. I have an 11 year old daughter now who has seen twice with me (her call) at the PNC Art Center in NJ, together...all great shows, am looking forward to full Nostradamus production and Priest in Hall of Fame,
keep the faith, this band deserves all our support.
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| [K2M] Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:17:38 PM | |
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:14:52 PM | |
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That's awesome Metalhead7! Welcome to the Board. Hope you like it here!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MetalHead7 from Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:18:57 PM)| | | MetalHead7 wrote: | | Hello good people! I've been a Judas Priest fan since I was 4 years old. That was in 1997.
At that time Tim Owens was in the band, but I listened to the older stuff the most. I was very influenced by KK Downing to pick up the guitar. I just liked his style and everything! Now I have played for 8 years. JUDAS PRIEST FOREVER! |
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| [Priest_Fan78] Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:18:57 PM | |
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Hello good people! I've been a Judas Priest fan since I was 4 years old. That was in 1997.
At that time Tim Owens was in the band, but I listened to the older stuff the most. I was very influenced by KK Downing to pick up the guitar. I just liked his style and everything! Now I have played for 8 years. JUDAS PRIEST FOREVER! |
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| [moggy1967] Monday, September 14, 2009 2:12:41 PM | |
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HELLO all
i am an older priest fan been to lots of gigs in the 70s i was the first MONSTERS OF ROCK GIG donington 1980 and the lads were there i love it HELL BENT FOR LEATHER was best song on the day
i am returning to the family now ROCK N ROLL moggy |
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| [Becks] Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:58:33 AM | |
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Heya, welcome to the boards! A fellow antipodean, yay! LOL!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by LadyRider from Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:23:22 AM)| | | LadyRider wrote: | | | New here, so hello to all you fellow Judas Priest fans.
Fell in love with Judas Priest when a band I hung around with in NZ did a cover version of Metal Gods. That was about twenty years ago, needless to say Metal Gods is still my all time favourite Priest song and always will be. From memory I started listening to them when Turbo was released but many of my friends had their older albums so I got to listen to a lot of their music and the love affair grew.
I admit to not being overly interested during The Ripper years since Rob Halford's vocals is a big part of the attraction and I couldn't get used to the idea of him not being there. Biased I know so please feel free to inform me if I am missing out. I may or may not do anything about it.
For me, JP are still the best metal band ever. Unfortunately missed seeing them when they were in Australia in 2008 due to major changes in life, so desperately hope they return. |
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| [LadyRider] Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:23:22 AM | |
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| New here, so hello to all you fellow Judas Priest fans.
Fell in love with Judas Priest when a band I hung around with in NZ did a cover version of Metal Gods. That was about twenty years ago, needless to say Metal Gods is still my all time favourite Priest song and always will be. From memory I started listening to them when Turbo was released but many of my friends had their older albums so I got to listen to a lot of their music and the love affair grew.
I admit to not being overly interested during The Ripper years since Rob Halford's vocals is a big part of the attraction and I couldn't get used to the idea of him not being there. Biased I know so please feel free to inform me if I am missing out. I may or may not do anything about it.
For me, JP are still the best metal band ever. Unfortunately missed seeing them when they were in Australia in 2008 due to major changes in life, so desperately hope they return. |
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| [Phantom A6] Friday, September 11, 2009 7:14:10 PM | |
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Yep!! Born in '64 too.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Sheba_69 from Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:25:46 PM)| | | Sheba_69 wrote: | | LOL..Not in '69 but i was born in '64...Thanx for welcoming me...
| | | Phantom A6 wrote: | | Hmm... born in '69 n 45 yrs old??
Welcome to the board!!
| | | Sheba_69 wrote: | | | I've been a Priest fan since the first time one of my friend lent me his British Steel album and since then i have never look back.. so,i guess a long time since am 45 years old..lol.. |
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| [Sheba_69] Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:25:46 PM | |
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LOL..Not in '69 but i was born in '64...Thanx for welcoming me...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:01:44 PM)| | | Phantom A6 wrote: | | Hmm... born in '69 n 45 yrs old??
Welcome to the board!!
| | | Sheba_69 wrote: | | | I've been a Priest fan since the first time one of my friend lent me his British Steel album and since then i have never look back.. so,i guess a long time since am 45 years old..lol.. |
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