So tell us what you think. Love it, hate it, favorite song etc.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, October 09, 2010 6:24:56 PM
lol! You love the Made Of Metal cd but hate the Angel Of Retribution cd,that just blows my mind away,but its all good dude,we like what we like. Saying you don't like tracks like "Judas Rising,Deal With The Devil,Wheels Of Fire,Demonizer,Eulegy" is like someone saying they don't like songs like "Riding On The Wind,Jawbreaker,Heading Out To The Highway,Nightcrawler and Battle Hym". It just blows me away. Angel Of Retribution compleately wipes away the Made Of Metal album so far its not even a comparison.
Hellrider,I'd go as far as saying that by you claiming Angel Of Retribution being "dull" is no different than you saying Defenders Of The Faith,Screaming For Veangeance,British Steel,Hell Bent For Leather,Stained Class,Sin After Sin and Sad Wings Of Destiny all being "dull". Your the only person I've ever heard call the album "dull" lol!
Angel Of Retribution is a perfect example of how Priest and Rob get "fuc?ed" as you put it, for not getting the credit they deserve! HAHA!
But whatever none the less,if you think that it is "dull" than it is dull to you,no worries.I know people who think Painkiller sucks,yet I love it so its all good.
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[Head banger] Saturday, October 09, 2010 6:13:03 PM
dullish? WTF! sure lochness licks pouch but the rest rocks seriously hard! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:59:42 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
you and your ANGEL OF RETRIBUTION MAN.6 best record LIKE FUC?.
dullish DUULLLLLISHH ANGEL OF RETRIBUTION IS DULLISH
except for HELLRIDER (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:51:49 AM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Hellrider wrote: "Personally I belive it does not matter how worthy the album is he always seems to get fuc?ed"
Hot Rockin' Metal Godess wrote: "Why is it that Priest and Rob always gets screwed no matter how great the album is"?
Thats how I feel about the Angel Of Retribution album. I actually do like the song "Hell Razor"....I'm not too impressed with the chorus but its not bad either just kinda dullish,but I'll still say that one song is ok.
The other 13 songs on Made Of Metal I just can't digest,my system won't accept it.It sucks that I don't like the album,I tired but I just can't get into it,same way with Retribution for you hellrider. Man Angel Of Retribution is Priest's 6th best recor.............ahhhh never mind. lol!!!
(Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, October 08, 2010 6:47:53 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
whats wrong with MADE OF METAL I ENJOY MOST OF IT VERY MUCH ALOT OF CLASSIC METAL SOUND ON IT i would much perfer HARD CORE RIP OUR FACE OFF THOUGH.personally i believe it does not matter how worthy the album is he allways seems to get fuc?ed (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, October 08, 2010 3:00:48 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Maybe if he put out a studio album that was more worthy than 'Made Of Metal" he might get a stronger following.
hellrider 31038 wrote:
HOW IS HE SUPPOST TO FOCUS ON PRIEST WHEN HE HAS OTHER METAL GOING ON IN HIS HEAD..HIS BAND IS ALSO A OUTLET FOR HIM..HE CAN DO HIS METAL AND CLEAR HIS MIND FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT HE GIVEN HIS FANS AND VISE VERSA AND THEN BE ABLE TO FOCUS FULLY ON PRIEST. BE IN THE RIGHT MINDSET
MAYBE IF THE METAL GOD HAD A STRONGER FOLLOWING WE WOULD BE GETTING FULL ON CRUCIBLE STYLE METAL
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[hellrider 31038] Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:59:42 PM
you and your ANGEL OF RETRIBUTION MAN.6 best record LIKE FUC?.
dullish DUULLLLLISHH ANGEL OF RETRIBUTION IS DULLISH
Hellrider wrote: "Personally I belive it does not matter how worthy the album is he always seems to get fuc?ed"
Hot Rockin' Metal Godess wrote: "Why is it that Priest and Rob always gets screwed no matter how great the album is"?
Thats how I feel about the Angel Of Retribution album. I actually do like the song "Hell Razor"....I'm not too impressed with the chorus but its not bad either just kinda dullish,but I'll still say that one song is ok.
The other 13 songs on Made Of Metal I just can't digest,my system won't accept it.It sucks that I don't like the album,I tired but I just can't get into it,same way with Retribution for you hellrider. Man Angel Of Retribution is Priest's 6th best recor.............ahhhh never mind. lol!!!
(Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, October 08, 2010 6:47:53 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
whats wrong with MADE OF METAL I ENJOY MOST OF IT VERY MUCH ALOT OF CLASSIC METAL SOUND ON IT i would much perfer HARD CORE RIP OUR FACE OFF THOUGH.personally i believe it does not matter how worthy the album is he allways seems to get fuc?ed (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, October 08, 2010 3:00:48 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Maybe if he put out a studio album that was more worthy than 'Made Of Metal" he might get a stronger following.
hellrider 31038 wrote:
HOW IS HE SUPPOST TO FOCUS ON PRIEST WHEN HE HAS OTHER METAL GOING ON IN HIS HEAD..HIS BAND IS ALSO A OUTLET FOR HIM..HE CAN DO HIS METAL AND CLEAR HIS MIND FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT HE GIVEN HIS FANS AND VISE VERSA AND THEN BE ABLE TO FOCUS FULLY ON PRIEST. BE IN THE RIGHT MINDSET
MAYBE IF THE METAL GOD HAD A STRONGER FOLLOWING WE WOULD BE GETTING FULL ON CRUCIBLE STYLE METAL
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[jimmyjames] Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:39:54 PM
Like I said, I haven't heard it yet. But if he was to get a song that became an integral part of a popular video game he would make shitloads of money. It's just a thought based on the comments of other members and that racing car pic on the cover. Congrats on your gaming rig, women will love it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:03:31 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Halford is trying to cater to the losers who comprise the VIDEO GAME market?! That is a new one. As one of those self-identified "losers," I just don't see it.
I guess I also won't be posting pix of my latest home-build machine, either: quad-core i7 watercooled PC running twin 1TB Seagate Blacks in 0-1 raid array with an SSD for quick boot. Bwwwahaaaaa! My gaming rig could eat your mother.
jimmyjames wrote:
Here's my two cents worth without hearing the album yet. The cover looks like a video game. That would suggest that the album is aimed toward the kind of losers that play video games. Judging by some of the comments people have made to do with this album having sporting themes, maybe he's trying to crack the video game soundtrack market. I bloody hope not but I wouldn't put it past somebody who put out an album of christmas songs.
[Becks] Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:58:09 AM
Dude, people like what they like, end of story. As for hero-worship mode, we all acknowldge what Rob/Priest/Halford does that we don't like, we just happen to talk about what we do like a lot more. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Saturday, October 09, 2010 8:08:06 AM)
Necroticist wrote:
..i coulda gone off at that comment on 'see Halford live'...if Anaheim is anything to go by - sorry - NO. ANOTHER waste of effort...ffs, some of u ppl are stuck in 'hero-worship' mode and can't see a bad thing when it happens...
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:05:51 AM
Go ahead Necro, give it your best shot..... I'm NOT stuck in hero worship mode, I LOVE what I LOVE, period! I don't give a shit if you don't like it because I don't like everything that you like. It doesn't make me wrong. Did you just see him live in Chicago this summer???? NO YOU DIDN'T. So I'm entitled to my opinion because he did in fact KICK ASS! But you wouldn't know that because you haven't seen him live. DVD is NOT THE SAME THING! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Saturday, October 09, 2010 8:08:06 AM)
Necroticist wrote:
..i coulda gone off at that comment on 'see Halford live'...if Anaheim is anything to go by - sorry - NO. ANOTHER waste of effort...ffs, some of u ppl are stuck in 'hero-worship' mode and can't see a bad thing when it happens...
[guidogodoy] Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:03:31 AM
Halford is trying to cater to the losers who comprise the VIDEO GAME market?! That is a new one. As one of those self-identified "losers," I just don't see it.
I guess I also won't be posting pix of my latest home-build machine, either: quad-core i7 watercooled PC running twin 1TB Seagate Blacks in 0-1 raid array with an SSD for quick boot. Bwwwahaaaaa! My gaming rig could eat your mother. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Saturday, October 09, 2010 7:14:59 AM)
jimmyjames wrote:
Here's my two cents worth without hearing the album yet. The cover looks like a video game. That would suggest that the album is aimed toward the kind of losers that play video games. Judging by some of the comments people have made to do with this album having sporting themes, maybe he's trying to crack the video game soundtrack market. I bloody hope not but I wouldn't put it past somebody who put out an album of christmas songs.
[Vaillant 3.0] Saturday, October 09, 2010 9:13:06 AM
What...can YOU do any better, Necro?
Oh yeah! And welcome back despite saying you're embarrassed to be "part of such a lame forum", BTW. Unfortunately, I've lost count as to how many times you said you were leaving and not coming back, but welcome back anyways. I guess you wanna enjoy the "petty chat" once more? Are you gonna tell us how to "grow up"? Please! Do tell! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Saturday, October 09, 2010 8:08:06 AM)
Necroticist wrote:
..i coulda gone off at that comment on 'see Halford live'...if Anaheim is anything to go by - sorry - NO. ANOTHER waste of effort...ffs, some of u ppl are stuck in 'hero-worship' mode and can't see a bad thing when it happens...
[Necroticist] Saturday, October 09, 2010 8:08:06 AM
..i coulda gone off at that comment on 'see Halford live'...if Anaheim is anything to go by - sorry - NO. ANOTHER waste of effort...ffs, some of u ppl are stuck in 'hero-worship' mode and can't see a bad thing when it happens...
[jimmyjames] Saturday, October 09, 2010 7:14:59 AM
Here's my two cents worth without hearing the album yet. The cover looks like a video game. That would suggest that the album is aimed toward the kind of losers that play video games. Judging by some of the comments people have made to do with this album having sporting themes, maybe he's trying to crack the video game soundtrack market. I bloody hope not but I wouldn't put it past somebody who put out an album of christmas songs.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:51:49 AM
Hellrider wrote: "Personally I belive it does not matter how worthy the album is he always seems to get fuc?ed"
Hot Rockin' Metal Godess wrote: "Why is it that Priest and Rob always gets screwed no matter how great the album is"?
Thats how I feel about the Angel Of Retribution album. I actually do like the song "Hell Razor"....I'm not too impressed with the chorus but its not bad either just kinda dullish,but I'll still say that one song is ok.
The other 13 songs on Made Of Metal I just can't digest,my system won't accept it.It sucks that I don't like the album,I tired but I just can't get into it,same way with Retribution for you hellrider. Man Angel Of Retribution is Priest's 6th best recor.............ahhhh never mind. lol!!!
whats wrong with MADE OF METAL I ENJOY MOST OF IT VERY MUCH ALOT OF CLASSIC METAL SOUND ON IT i would much perfer HARD CORE RIP OUR FACE OFF THOUGH.personally i believe it does not matter how worthy the album is he allways seems to get fuc?ed (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, October 08, 2010 3:00:48 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Maybe if he put out a studio album that was more worthy than 'Made Of Metal" he might get a stronger following.
hellrider 31038 wrote:
HOW IS HE SUPPOST TO FOCUS ON PRIEST WHEN HE HAS OTHER METAL GOING ON IN HIS HEAD..HIS BAND IS ALSO A OUTLET FOR HIM..HE CAN DO HIS METAL AND CLEAR HIS MIND FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT HE GIVEN HIS FANS AND VISE VERSA AND THEN BE ABLE TO FOCUS FULLY ON PRIEST. BE IN THE RIGHT MINDSET
MAYBE IF THE METAL GOD HAD A STRONGER FOLLOWING WE WOULD BE GETTING FULL ON CRUCIBLE STYLE METAL
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[guidogodoy] Friday, October 08, 2010 11:04:55 PM
Damn, that was the lineup! Pat was da bomb! Imagine them in a place that must hold 1000 max. While I was on Mike's side and snagged his pick, I remember thinking how much I wanted to be on Pat's side during the show. HAAAA!
The following vid is even odd in that Mike isn't standing on Glenn's side. He pretty much sticks to the right in most shows.
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[guidogodoy] Friday, October 08, 2010 10:57:33 PM
Yeah, I just looked at R in R as well as Anaheim. The latter doesn't do it at all and I know it was Mike in Detroit as I was standing about a foot away (yet five feet below) him. The video on that scene is too tough to post as it is so dark but I am positive it was Mike then.
Like you said, maybe they took turns!? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Friday, October 08, 2010 10:43:25 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Sorry, the Rock in Rio III DVD shows Pat doing the intro to Into the Pit. I just assumed that Pat did it at every show. You know what they say when you ass-u-me! Maybe Pat and Mike alternated doing it? Once again, I WISH I could have seen them back then..... *sigh*
guidogodoy wrote:
No. That deep voice asking if you want to "go into the fucking PIIIIIIIIIIIT" is actually Metal Mike. At least at the show I saw and all the bootlegs (one of which I am currently segmenting).
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Pat, a singer? Cool! I'll have to check him out to see how he sounds. Is he the one who's talking right before Into the Pit starts on Live Insurrection?
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Pat went to become the lead singer of Damageplan. They released one album before Dimebag was killed...... RIP Dimebag.
From what I can tell, every band he has been in since, he is the lead singer.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ah, okay. Yeah, it was probably the best economic decision he could make at that time. Too bad, though. He and Ray could have added a little more 'bite' to the last two Halford albums. Thanks for the info.
guidogodoy wrote:
As I understand it (and it makes complete sense), he simply went to other bands when Rob left Halford to go back to Priest. Seeing no future in Halford, Lachman was committed to other projects when Halford decided to regroup. Can't say that I blame him for not waiting around for a band left in limbo.
Ray Rendeau on bass was the final missing part. Shame, really. Not exactly sure what happened to him but I'd imagine the above scenario playing out there as well.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Actually, that's what I've been wondering for a while. What happened to Patrick? Did he just leave? Were there tensions in the band? What's up?
guidogodoy wrote:
Incredible. I think that you are spot-on with this post as I feel almost exactly the same way. Right down to the "diamonds in the sky" line. That phrase just sticks out like a sore thumb, doesn't it? Caught my attention right away.
While I also like the album as a whole, I do flip-flop about the lyrics as well. Some, along with the guitars and drums for that matter, are simply too predictable. While I like the guitars / solos in Made of Metal, I find myself counting how many times "Supersonic silver flying machine" is repeated. I'll have a count when I get some free time.
Don't get me wrong, I love the album as a whole (I can really get into most songs, even "I Know We Stand a Chance" has a catchy little riff) but can't help but wonder if the absence of Patrick Lachman had an effect here. Roy Z is certainly no match on guitar and, when I compare earlier Halford shows both by memory and DVD/CD, it is even more noticeable. For those who saw the Resurrection tour, I am sure that you'll agree: Lachman was just a metal monster on stage. (Quoting Message by tasnam1 from Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:37:20 PM)
tasnam1 wrote:
Thanks for the comments Budred.
I also forgot to add to my original post the following:
Matador is also another "anthem Theme" -
After listening to the album for another two days some fine tuning thoughts:
I think the album musically is GREAT. But, lyrically, it is just off; i can't explain it. I love Rob, he is the best on this planet. It just seems his song writing lost creativity a little.
Take Made of Metal. GREAT music in the background. Fair lyrics.
Matador, GREAT music and style. Lyrics are "just okay".
Made of Metal, GREAT musically. Lyrics I go back and forth on. (I feel like I am watch Disney's CARS!!!!)
Ect, ect, ect.
I really like Speed of Sound and the track after it Like there's no tomorrow (although "like diamonds in the sky" is a little cheesy), Hell Razor is just plain COOL.
Of course Mower.
I seem to ALWAYS Skip over Fire & Ice and Thunder and Lightning - I believe these were filler tracks for him.
Undisputed is good musically, but the fact it is about a boxer, just seems to rub me the wrong way. Almost like he was trying to hard to fit a song around an industry.
Undisputed
Made of Metal
Matador
These songs just "seem" like he was trying to hard to fit the "events" around these lyrics.
If they become great anthems. I will be the first to admit it worked.
Tasnam
Budred wrote:
I like your post and agree with most of it. The point that stands out is the Heart of a Lion comparison.
I thought the exact same thing. My problem is that over half of the CD has tracks like that. I do not like
that song and that is why I'm struggling with this album. 100 percent agree with Mower comment.
tasnam1 wrote:
I don't post much, but here is my take on H4.
First of all I will preface my comments with the fact that I am a Halford/Fight and of course Priest fan through and through - so my comments are not negative, just analytical in nature.
The Mower song itself is worth the whole album - exceptional in everyway.
I like Speed of sound.
Hell Razor sounds like Stained Class/Sad wind era, which is cool - nice work.
Heartless is like a 2010 remake of 1986 Heart of a Lion, but much better - (now I can stop listening to HOAL (which was tough) and replace it with Heartless)
Made on Metal and Matador - I my opinion - are just ok tracks musically. My belief, challenge me if you want, is that Rob is trying to create an anthem style song to be play at Nascar and Bullfighting arenas. He is a reasonalby smart marketing guy from a 60 yeear old metal bands point of view. Think Gary Glitter (pedophile), and other rock anthems at sports events. The become timeless and of course push the popularity of the creator of the songs, long after the band is even alive.
As far as the lyrics, overall yes they seem a little superficial/simple in nature, I agree. For what ever reason that would be my most critical comment.
Overall I like the album so far and will listen to it even more now. I will like this album more over time. Now I give it a B+ maybe even soon an A- .
But again Mower is worth the album. I would pay $15.00 for that one song. And I mean that. I feel it is that good; even a challenger for Painkiller!
Thoughts?
Tasnam
acolyte55 wrote:
i realized i was listening to halford 4 hoping for another resurrection or crucible album and maybe not giving the album the chance it deserves !!! i caught myself today turning up most of the cd , i just cant get past the lyrics on made of metal yet and undisputed or the matador but the rest is catching on. i will be more positive in hearing this cd from now on and can maybe learn to like it more , ps mine was bought not stolen budred lol
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[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Friday, October 08, 2010 10:43:25 PM
Sorry, the Rock in Rio III DVD shows Pat doing the intro to Into the Pit. I just assumed that Pat did it at every show. You know what they say when you ass-u-me! Maybe Pat and Mike alternated doing it? Once again, I WISH I could have seen them back then..... *sigh* [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, October 08, 2010 10:05:45 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
No. That deep voice asking if you want to "go into the fucking PIIIIIIIIIIIT" is actually Metal Mike. At least at the show I saw and all the bootlegs (one of which I am currently segmenting).
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Pat, a singer? Cool! I'll have to check him out to see how he sounds. Is he the one who's talking right before Into the Pit starts on Live Insurrection?
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Pat went to become the lead singer of Damageplan. They released one album before Dimebag was killed...... RIP Dimebag.
From what I can tell, every band he has been in since, he is the lead singer.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ah, okay. Yeah, it was probably the best economic decision he could make at that time. Too bad, though. He and Ray could have added a little more 'bite' to the last two Halford albums. Thanks for the info.
guidogodoy wrote:
As I understand it (and it makes complete sense), he simply went to other bands when Rob left Halford to go back to Priest. Seeing no future in Halford, Lachman was committed to other projects when Halford decided to regroup. Can't say that I blame him for not waiting around for a band left in limbo.
Ray Rendeau on bass was the final missing part. Shame, really. Not exactly sure what happened to him but I'd imagine the above scenario playing out there as well.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Actually, that's what I've been wondering for a while. What happened to Patrick? Did he just leave? Were there tensions in the band? What's up?
guidogodoy wrote:
Incredible. I think that you are spot-on with this post as I feel almost exactly the same way. Right down to the "diamonds in the sky" line. That phrase just sticks out like a sore thumb, doesn't it? Caught my attention right away.
While I also like the album as a whole, I do flip-flop about the lyrics as well. Some, along with the guitars and drums for that matter, are simply too predictable. While I like the guitars / solos in Made of Metal, I find myself counting how many times "Supersonic silver flying machine" is repeated. I'll have a count when I get some free time.
Don't get me wrong, I love the album as a whole (I can really get into most songs, even "I Know We Stand a Chance" has a catchy little riff) but can't help but wonder if the absence of Patrick Lachman had an effect here. Roy Z is certainly no match on guitar and, when I compare earlier Halford shows both by memory and DVD/CD, it is even more noticeable. For those who saw the Resurrection tour, I am sure that you'll agree: Lachman was just a metal monster on stage. (Quoting Message by tasnam1 from Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:37:20 PM)
tasnam1 wrote:
Thanks for the comments Budred.
I also forgot to add to my original post the following:
Matador is also another "anthem Theme" -
After listening to the album for another two days some fine tuning thoughts:
I think the album musically is GREAT. But, lyrically, it is just off; i can't explain it. I love Rob, he is the best on this planet. It just seems his song writing lost creativity a little.
Take Made of Metal. GREAT music in the background. Fair lyrics.
Matador, GREAT music and style. Lyrics are "just okay".
Made of Metal, GREAT musically. Lyrics I go back and forth on. (I feel like I am watch Disney's CARS!!!!)
Ect, ect, ect.
I really like Speed of Sound and the track after it Like there's no tomorrow (although "like diamonds in the sky" is a little cheesy), Hell Razor is just plain COOL.
Of course Mower.
I seem to ALWAYS Skip over Fire & Ice and Thunder and Lightning - I believe these were filler tracks for him.
Undisputed is good musically, but the fact it is about a boxer, just seems to rub me the wrong way. Almost like he was trying to hard to fit a song around an industry.
Undisputed
Made of Metal
Matador
These songs just "seem" like he was trying to hard to fit the "events" around these lyrics.
If they become great anthems. I will be the first to admit it worked.
Tasnam
Budred wrote:
I like your post and agree with most of it. The point that stands out is the Heart of a Lion comparison.
I thought the exact same thing. My problem is that over half of the CD has tracks like that. I do not like
that song and that is why I'm struggling with this album. 100 percent agree with Mower comment.
tasnam1 wrote:
I don't post much, but here is my take on H4.
First of all I will preface my comments with the fact that I am a Halford/Fight and of course Priest fan through and through - so my comments are not negative, just analytical in nature.
The Mower song itself is worth the whole album - exceptional in everyway.
I like Speed of sound.
Hell Razor sounds like Stained Class/Sad wind era, which is cool - nice work.
Heartless is like a 2010 remake of 1986 Heart of a Lion, but much better - (now I can stop listening to HOAL (which was tough) and replace it with Heartless)
Made on Metal and Matador - I my opinion - are just ok tracks musically. My belief, challenge me if you want, is that Rob is trying to create an anthem style song to be play at Nascar and Bullfighting arenas. He is a reasonalby smart marketing guy from a 60 yeear old metal bands point of view. Think Gary Glitter (pedophile), and other rock anthems at sports events. The become timeless and of course push the popularity of the creator of the songs, long after the band is even alive.
As far as the lyrics, overall yes they seem a little superficial/simple in nature, I agree. For what ever reason that would be my most critical comment.
Overall I like the album so far and will listen to it even more now. I will like this album more over time. Now I give it a B+ maybe even soon an A- .
But again Mower is worth the album. I would pay $15.00 for that one song. And I mean that. I feel it is that good; even a challenger for Painkiller!
Thoughts?
Tasnam
acolyte55 wrote:
i realized i was listening to halford 4 hoping for another resurrection or crucible album and maybe not giving the album the chance it deserves !!! i caught myself today turning up most of the cd , i just cant get past the lyrics on made of metal yet and undisputed or the matador but the rest is catching on. i will be more positive in hearing this cd from now on and can maybe learn to like it more , ps mine was bought not stolen budred lol
Edited at: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:59:38 PM
[guidogodoy] Friday, October 08, 2010 10:05:45 PM
No. That deep voice asking if you want to "go into the fucking PIIIIIIIIIIIT" is actually Metal Mike. At least at the show I saw and all the bootlegs (one of which I am currently segmenting). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Friday, October 08, 2010 9:09:21 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Pat, a singer? Cool! I'll have to check him out to see how he sounds. Is he the one who's talking right before Into the Pit starts on Live Insurrection?
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Pat went to become the lead singer of Damageplan. They released one album before Dimebag was killed...... RIP Dimebag.
From what I can tell, every band he has been in since, he is the lead singer.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ah, okay. Yeah, it was probably the best economic decision he could make at that time. Too bad, though. He and Ray could have added a little more 'bite' to the last two Halford albums. Thanks for the info.
guidogodoy wrote:
As I understand it (and it makes complete sense), he simply went to other bands when Rob left Halford to go back to Priest. Seeing no future in Halford, Lachman was committed to other projects when Halford decided to regroup. Can't say that I blame him for not waiting around for a band left in limbo.
Ray Rendeau on bass was the final missing part. Shame, really. Not exactly sure what happened to him but I'd imagine the above scenario playing out there as well.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Actually, that's what I've been wondering for a while. What happened to Patrick? Did he just leave? Were there tensions in the band? What's up?
guidogodoy wrote:
Incredible. I think that you are spot-on with this post as I feel almost exactly the same way. Right down to the "diamonds in the sky" line. That phrase just sticks out like a sore thumb, doesn't it? Caught my attention right away.
While I also like the album as a whole, I do flip-flop about the lyrics as well. Some, along with the guitars and drums for that matter, are simply too predictable. While I like the guitars / solos in Made of Metal, I find myself counting how many times "Supersonic silver flying machine" is repeated. I'll have a count when I get some free time.
Don't get me wrong, I love the album as a whole (I can really get into most songs, even "I Know We Stand a Chance" has a catchy little riff) but can't help but wonder if the absence of Patrick Lachman had an effect here. Roy Z is certainly no match on guitar and, when I compare earlier Halford shows both by memory and DVD/CD, it is even more noticeable. For those who saw the Resurrection tour, I am sure that you'll agree: Lachman was just a metal monster on stage. (Quoting Message by tasnam1 from Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:37:20 PM)
tasnam1 wrote:
Thanks for the comments Budred.
I also forgot to add to my original post the following:
Matador is also another "anthem Theme" -
After listening to the album for another two days some fine tuning thoughts:
I think the album musically is GREAT. But, lyrically, it is just off; i can't explain it. I love Rob, he is the best on this planet. It just seems his song writing lost creativity a little.
Take Made of Metal. GREAT music in the background. Fair lyrics.
Matador, GREAT music and style. Lyrics are "just okay".
Made of Metal, GREAT musically. Lyrics I go back and forth on. (I feel like I am watch Disney's CARS!!!!)
Ect, ect, ect.
I really like Speed of Sound and the track after it Like there's no tomorrow (although "like diamonds in the sky" is a little cheesy), Hell Razor is just plain COOL.
Of course Mower.
I seem to ALWAYS Skip over Fire & Ice and Thunder and Lightning - I believe these were filler tracks for him.
Undisputed is good musically, but the fact it is about a boxer, just seems to rub me the wrong way. Almost like he was trying to hard to fit a song around an industry.
Undisputed
Made of Metal
Matador
These songs just "seem" like he was trying to hard to fit the "events" around these lyrics.
If they become great anthems. I will be the first to admit it worked.
Tasnam
Budred wrote:
I like your post and agree with most of it. The point that stands out is the Heart of a Lion comparison.
I thought the exact same thing. My problem is that over half of the CD has tracks like that. I do not like
that song and that is why I'm struggling with this album. 100 percent agree with Mower comment.
tasnam1 wrote:
I don't post much, but here is my take on H4.
First of all I will preface my comments with the fact that I am a Halford/Fight and of course Priest fan through and through - so my comments are not negative, just analytical in nature.
The Mower song itself is worth the whole album - exceptional in everyway.
I like Speed of sound.
Hell Razor sounds like Stained Class/Sad wind era, which is cool - nice work.
Heartless is like a 2010 remake of 1986 Heart of a Lion, but much better - (now I can stop listening to HOAL (which was tough) and replace it with Heartless)
Made on Metal and Matador - I my opinion - are just ok tracks musically. My belief, challenge me if you want, is that Rob is trying to create an anthem style song to be play at Nascar and Bullfighting arenas. He is a reasonalby smart marketing guy from a 60 yeear old metal bands point of view. Think Gary Glitter (pedophile), and other rock anthems at sports events. The become timeless and of course push the popularity of the creator of the songs, long after the band is even alive.
As far as the lyrics, overall yes they seem a little superficial/simple in nature, I agree. For what ever reason that would be my most critical comment.
Overall I like the album so far and will listen to it even more now. I will like this album more over time. Now I give it a B+ maybe even soon an A- .
But again Mower is worth the album. I would pay $15.00 for that one song. And I mean that. I feel it is that good; even a challenger for Painkiller!
Thoughts?
Tasnam
acolyte55 wrote:
i realized i was listening to halford 4 hoping for another resurrection or crucible album and maybe not giving the album the chance it deserves !!! i caught myself today turning up most of the cd , i just cant get past the lyrics on made of metal yet and undisputed or the matador but the rest is catching on. i will be more positive in hearing this cd from now on and can maybe learn to like it more , ps mine was bought not stolen budred lol
Edited at: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:59:38 PM
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Friday, October 08, 2010 9:57:44 PM
Oooooh awesome!!! You never know. Good luck! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by tasnam1 from Friday, October 08, 2010 9:19:06 PM)
tasnam1 wrote:
I have a VERY SLIGHT chance of meeting Rob Halford!!!!!
(Statistically better then right this moment - LOL)
Rob plays Lima Peru on October 20th.
I fly out of Lima on late night (PM) October 18th/19th (AM) so maybe he will be at the airport arriving when I fly out!?!??!!!?!?!!??!
You never know!
Tasnam
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Friday, October 08, 2010 9:55:31 PM
Yup, that's him! It's obvious that he loves to sing just watching the HALFORD DVDs. I don't know if he only sings now or if he plays guitar in the bands too. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Friday, October 08, 2010 9:09:21 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Pat, a singer? Cool! I'll have to check him out to see how he sounds. Is he the one who's talking right before Into the Pit starts on Live Insurrection?
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Pat went to become the lead singer of Damageplan. They released one album before Dimebag was killed...... RIP Dimebag.
From what I can tell, every band he has been in since, he is the lead singer.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ah, okay. Yeah, it was probably the best economic decision he could make at that time. Too bad, though. He and Ray could have added a little more 'bite' to the last two Halford albums. Thanks for the info.
guidogodoy wrote:
As I understand it (and it makes complete sense), he simply went to other bands when Rob left Halford to go back to Priest. Seeing no future in Halford, Lachman was committed to other projects when Halford decided to regroup. Can't say that I blame him for not waiting around for a band left in limbo.
Ray Rendeau on bass was the final missing part. Shame, really. Not exactly sure what happened to him but I'd imagine the above scenario playing out there as well.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Actually, that's what I've been wondering for a while. What happened to Patrick? Did he just leave? Were there tensions in the band? What's up?
guidogodoy wrote:
Incredible. I think that you are spot-on with this post as I feel almost exactly the same way. Right down to the "diamonds in the sky" line. That phrase just sticks out like a sore thumb, doesn't it? Caught my attention right away.
While I also like the album as a whole, I do flip-flop about the lyrics as well. Some, along with the guitars and drums for that matter, are simply too predictable. While I like the guitars / solos in Made of Metal, I find myself counting how many times "Supersonic silver flying machine" is repeated. I'll have a count when I get some free time.
Don't get me wrong, I love the album as a whole (I can really get into most songs, even "I Know We Stand a Chance" has a catchy little riff) but can't help but wonder if the absence of Patrick Lachman had an effect here. Roy Z is certainly no match on guitar and, when I compare earlier Halford shows both by memory and DVD/CD, it is even more noticeable. For those who saw the Resurrection tour, I am sure that you'll agree: Lachman was just a metal monster on stage. (Quoting Message by tasnam1 from Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:37:20 PM)
tasnam1 wrote:
Thanks for the comments Budred.
I also forgot to add to my original post the following:
Matador is also another "anthem Theme" -
After listening to the album for another two days some fine tuning thoughts:
I think the album musically is GREAT. But, lyrically, it is just off; i can't explain it. I love Rob, he is the best on this planet. It just seems his song writing lost creativity a little.
Take Made of Metal. GREAT music in the background. Fair lyrics.
Matador, GREAT music and style. Lyrics are "just okay".
Made of Metal, GREAT musically. Lyrics I go back and forth on. (I feel like I am watch Disney's CARS!!!!)
Ect, ect, ect.
I really like Speed of Sound and the track after it Like there's no tomorrow (although "like diamonds in the sky" is a little cheesy), Hell Razor is just plain COOL.
Of course Mower.
I seem to ALWAYS Skip over Fire & Ice and Thunder and Lightning - I believe these were filler tracks for him.
Undisputed is good musically, but the fact it is about a boxer, just seems to rub me the wrong way. Almost like he was trying to hard to fit a song around an industry.
Undisputed
Made of Metal
Matador
These songs just "seem" like he was trying to hard to fit the "events" around these lyrics.
If they become great anthems. I will be the first to admit it worked.
Tasnam
Budred wrote:
I like your post and agree with most of it. The point that stands out is the Heart of a Lion comparison.
I thought the exact same thing. My problem is that over half of the CD has tracks like that. I do not like
that song and that is why I'm struggling with this album. 100 percent agree with Mower comment.
tasnam1 wrote:
I don't post much, but here is my take on H4.
First of all I will preface my comments with the fact that I am a Halford/Fight and of course Priest fan through and through - so my comments are not negative, just analytical in nature.
The Mower song itself is worth the whole album - exceptional in everyway.
I like Speed of sound.
Hell Razor sounds like Stained Class/Sad wind era, which is cool - nice work.
Heartless is like a 2010 remake of 1986 Heart of a Lion, but much better - (now I can stop listening to HOAL (which was tough) and replace it with Heartless)
Made on Metal and Matador - I my opinion - are just ok tracks musically. My belief, challenge me if you want, is that Rob is trying to create an anthem style song to be play at Nascar and Bullfighting arenas. He is a reasonalby smart marketing guy from a 60 yeear old metal bands point of view. Think Gary Glitter (pedophile), and other rock anthems at sports events. The become timeless and of course push the popularity of the creator of the songs, long after the band is even alive.
As far as the lyrics, overall yes they seem a little superficial/simple in nature, I agree. For what ever reason that would be my most critical comment.
Overall I like the album so far and will listen to it even more now. I will like this album more over time. Now I give it a B+ maybe even soon an A- .
But again Mower is worth the album. I would pay $15.00 for that one song. And I mean that. I feel it is that good; even a challenger for Painkiller!
Thoughts?
Tasnam
acolyte55 wrote:
i realized i was listening to halford 4 hoping for another resurrection or crucible album and maybe not giving the album the chance it deserves !!! i caught myself today turning up most of the cd , i just cant get past the lyrics on made of metal yet and undisputed or the matador but the rest is catching on. i will be more positive in hearing this cd from now on and can maybe learn to like it more , ps mine was bought not stolen budred lol
Edited at: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:59:38 PM
[tasnam1] Friday, October 08, 2010 9:19:06 PM
I have a VERY SLIGHT chance of meeting Rob Halford!!!!!
(Statistically better then right this moment - LOL)
Rob plays Lima Peru on October 20th.
I fly out of Lima on late night (PM) October 18th/19th (AM) so maybe he will be at the airport arriving when I fly out!?!??!!!?!?!!??!
You never know!
Tasnam
[Vaillant 3.0] Friday, October 08, 2010 9:12:03 PM
They are...never...SATISFIIIIEEEEED!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Friday, October 08, 2010 9:02:11 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I agree Hellrider. Why is it that Priest and Rob always seem to get screwed no matter how great the album is? There are people that just rip it apart and don't give them the credit they deserve. It seriously pisses me off!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
whats wrong with MADE OF METAL I ENJOY MOST OF IT VERY MUCH ALOT OF CLASSIC METAL SOUND ON IT i would much perfer HARD CORE RIP OUR FACE OFF THOUGH.personally i believe it does not matter how worthy the album is he allways seems to get fuc?ed (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, October 08, 2010 3:00:48 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Maybe if he put out a studio album that was more worthy than 'Made Of Metal" he might get a stronger following.
hellrider 31038 wrote:
HOW IS HE SUPPOST TO FOCUS ON PRIEST WHEN HE HAS OTHER METAL GOING ON IN HIS HEAD..HIS BAND IS ALSO A OUTLET FOR HIM..HE CAN DO HIS METAL AND CLEAR HIS MIND FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT HE GIVEN HIS FANS AND VISE VERSA AND THEN BE ABLE TO FOCUS FULLY ON PRIEST. BE IN THE RIGHT MINDSET
MAYBE IF THE METAL GOD HAD A STRONGER FOLLOWING WE WOULD BE GETTING FULL ON CRUCIBLE STYLE METAL
Edited at: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:48:24 PM Edited at: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:54:44 PM
[Vaillant 3.0] Friday, October 08, 2010 9:09:21 PM
Pat, a singer? Cool! I'll have to check him out to see how he sounds. Is he the one who's talking right before Into the Pit starts on Live Insurrection? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Friday, October 08, 2010 8:44:06 AM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Pat went to become the lead singer of Damageplan. They released one album before Dimebag was killed...... RIP Dimebag.
From what I can tell, every band he has been in since, he is the lead singer.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ah, okay. Yeah, it was probably the best economic decision he could make at that time. Too bad, though. He and Ray could have added a little more 'bite' to the last two Halford albums. Thanks for the info.
guidogodoy wrote:
As I understand it (and it makes complete sense), he simply went to other bands when Rob left Halford to go back to Priest. Seeing no future in Halford, Lachman was committed to other projects when Halford decided to regroup. Can't say that I blame him for not waiting around for a band left in limbo.
Ray Rendeau on bass was the final missing part. Shame, really. Not exactly sure what happened to him but I'd imagine the above scenario playing out there as well.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Actually, that's what I've been wondering for a while. What happened to Patrick? Did he just leave? Were there tensions in the band? What's up?
guidogodoy wrote:
Incredible. I think that you are spot-on with this post as I feel almost exactly the same way. Right down to the "diamonds in the sky" line. That phrase just sticks out like a sore thumb, doesn't it? Caught my attention right away.
While I also like the album as a whole, I do flip-flop about the lyrics as well. Some, along with the guitars and drums for that matter, are simply too predictable. While I like the guitars / solos in Made of Metal, I find myself counting how many times "Supersonic silver flying machine" is repeated. I'll have a count when I get some free time.
Don't get me wrong, I love the album as a whole (I can really get into most songs, even "I Know We Stand a Chance" has a catchy little riff) but can't help but wonder if the absence of Patrick Lachman had an effect here. Roy Z is certainly no match on guitar and, when I compare earlier Halford shows both by memory and DVD/CD, it is even more noticeable. For those who saw the Resurrection tour, I am sure that you'll agree: Lachman was just a metal monster on stage. (Quoting Message by tasnam1 from Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:37:20 PM)
tasnam1 wrote:
Thanks for the comments Budred.
I also forgot to add to my original post the following:
Matador is also another "anthem Theme" -
After listening to the album for another two days some fine tuning thoughts:
I think the album musically is GREAT. But, lyrically, it is just off; i can't explain it. I love Rob, he is the best on this planet. It just seems his song writing lost creativity a little.
Take Made of Metal. GREAT music in the background. Fair lyrics.
Matador, GREAT music and style. Lyrics are "just okay".
Made of Metal, GREAT musically. Lyrics I go back and forth on. (I feel like I am watch Disney's CARS!!!!)
Ect, ect, ect.
I really like Speed of Sound and the track after it Like there's no tomorrow (although "like diamonds in the sky" is a little cheesy), Hell Razor is just plain COOL.
Of course Mower.
I seem to ALWAYS Skip over Fire & Ice and Thunder and Lightning - I believe these were filler tracks for him.
Undisputed is good musically, but the fact it is about a boxer, just seems to rub me the wrong way. Almost like he was trying to hard to fit a song around an industry.
Undisputed
Made of Metal
Matador
These songs just "seem" like he was trying to hard to fit the "events" around these lyrics.
If they become great anthems. I will be the first to admit it worked.
Tasnam
Budred wrote:
I like your post and agree with most of it. The point that stands out is the Heart of a Lion comparison.
I thought the exact same thing. My problem is that over half of the CD has tracks like that. I do not like
that song and that is why I'm struggling with this album. 100 percent agree with Mower comment.
tasnam1 wrote:
I don't post much, but here is my take on H4.
First of all I will preface my comments with the fact that I am a Halford/Fight and of course Priest fan through and through - so my comments are not negative, just analytical in nature.
The Mower song itself is worth the whole album - exceptional in everyway.
I like Speed of sound.
Hell Razor sounds like Stained Class/Sad wind era, which is cool - nice work.
Heartless is like a 2010 remake of 1986 Heart of a Lion, but much better - (now I can stop listening to HOAL (which was tough) and replace it with Heartless)
Made on Metal and Matador - I my opinion - are just ok tracks musically. My belief, challenge me if you want, is that Rob is trying to create an anthem style song to be play at Nascar and Bullfighting arenas. He is a reasonalby smart marketing guy from a 60 yeear old metal bands point of view. Think Gary Glitter (pedophile), and other rock anthems at sports events. The become timeless and of course push the popularity of the creator of the songs, long after the band is even alive.
As far as the lyrics, overall yes they seem a little superficial/simple in nature, I agree. For what ever reason that would be my most critical comment.
Overall I like the album so far and will listen to it even more now. I will like this album more over time. Now I give it a B+ maybe even soon an A- .
But again Mower is worth the album. I would pay $15.00 for that one song. And I mean that. I feel it is that good; even a challenger for Painkiller!
Thoughts?
Tasnam
acolyte55 wrote:
i realized i was listening to halford 4 hoping for another resurrection or crucible album and maybe not giving the album the chance it deserves !!! i caught myself today turning up most of the cd , i just cant get past the lyrics on made of metal yet and undisputed or the matador but the rest is catching on. i will be more positive in hearing this cd from now on and can maybe learn to like it more , ps mine was bought not stolen budred lol
