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[DemonCat] Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:04:57 PM 
I've got things to do around the home. So I'm departing as well. Take care Strat. It was good chatting with you, and DF again.
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[DemonCat] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:58:07 AM 
Take care DF.
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[DemonCat] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:57:34 AM 
Bush needed some excuse to wage 2 wars, in the hopes of gaining more oil for the U.S citizens, with our gas guzzling cars.
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[Deep Freeze] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:56:16 AM 

They most certainly are NOT imaginary!!! They are in my neighbor's garage........HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ah well, I must depart for a while! Thank you , as usual strat, for the stimulating conversation! It is ALWAYS a pleasure, I can assure you. And DC, GREAT to see you again my friend. Please come by more often!!!  
Bye guys!!!!!!!




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[DemonCat] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:54:03 AM 
It's ok DF. I could have used the "spell-checker" button on my toolbar, but I'm lazy, and I have you. LOL   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:52:38 AM)
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[_strat_] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:52:54 AM 

COME ON!!! You still use that excuse over there? Youre not so advanced as I thoguht...

But in any case, it beats the hell out of the imgainary WMDs...


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[Deep Freeze] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:52:38 AM 
BWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!! Oh MAN, DC!!! Yeah!!!..., and he will spell apology just like that!!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! I am so sorry, my friend! I simply could not resist! Please forgive me!!!!
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[_strat_] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:51:00 AM 
I see. But that means that a voters vote from a less populated state is actualy worth more than a vote from a highly populated one. Wouldnt the "one voter = one vote" be more fair?
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[DemonCat] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:50:23 AM 
That would be too fair Strat. The government must twist things in such a way as to get what it wants.

So you aren't considering Obama a risk to peace? He's already set up one of the oldest excuses in the book...

Obama's letter of opology to the World for WW3 will read something like this...

Dear sir, or madam's,
 I had the peace negotiations last night I swear, but my daughters new puppy ate it!
                       Sincerely opologetic,
                                     Obama
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[Deep Freeze] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:47:54 AM 

Well, at the time our "Founding Father's" developed this system, it was meant to keep the states with a higher population from getting an unfair advantage, since the majority of the population lived in certain areas. The states were assigned a certain number of "Electoral Votes" instead. This was meant to assist the less populated areas and give them an "equal voice", as it were.  That is a rather simplified version of the answer but I am no scholar.  






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[_strat_] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:40:40 AM 
That is true, but as I said, I dont see it as a matter of knowing, rather as a matter of being entitled to something. I mean, lets face it, most people dont really take a great interest in politics. But most people are in one way or the other supporting the state apparatus. Now, if they have to, then I think its only right that they get to choose who leads it. Those things actualy are mutualy inclusive for the most part. I mean, its not like you have to understand politics very well to know which side represents what at a certain time.

Actualy George bush was elected because of your  weird electing system. And thats something that I wanted to ask to. What all this stuff with electoral votes? Why not just count all the voters votes and determine the winner?
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[DemonCat] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:33:42 AM 
LOL You're probably right.
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[DemonCat] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:32:46 AM 
I truelly understand what you've been saying in your posts DF, and agree with most of them. There would also be alot more people alive, if driving a vehicle wasn't determined by age as well. We could risk a revolution by changing the laws, but the risk would be too great for it to every actually happen. 

My racial comment was actually spawned by every tv channel I tuned into was bringing up the racial significance of our president elect, and not neccesarily what he'll be doing for the American people, and worldly issues, and I was getting sick of hearing it.
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[Deep Freeze] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:29:04 AM 
BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
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[_strat_] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:25:35 AM 
Lol, no I think that your next president should be allright... As much as a politician can ever be "allright". If it was Sarah Palin as the Vicepresident, I guess that Russian missiles would already be flying towards her belowed Alaska.
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[Deep Freeze] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:22:56 AM 
I understand, DC. No worries.

Strat, as usual you make some very salient points. My problem with what you say is this;

Rights and duties are fine. Just because one comes of age does NOT mean one is capable of making decisions as an adult. Just because we "treat" eighteen year olds as adults and they can work and pay taxes and fight in a war does NOT  mean they understand politics. So often, people use that silly argument, "Well, if you can fight a war, you should be able to drink, vote, own a gun..whatever..." These things are NOT mutually inclusive!! That is ridiculous. Just because I wear a swimsuit does NOT mean I can swim!!! The "right" to vote is fine. It is part of our Constitution and I accept that but that does NOT mean I AGREE with it!

George Bush was elected because he was the BETTER man. (OH boy..I can hear the haters typing on their keyboards now!!! HA!!) That does not mean it was the RIGHT choice.  The "changes" in our voters to which you refer do not include intelligence. Bush was unpopular, I agree. He made mistakes, I agree. I still back him. I will back the new man WHEN he takes office. 

Influencing politics would best  be served by actually being a politician, as far as I can see. But,  as voters, we are very limited in what we can do. And because the majority of our public ARE morons, we get what we get. They do NOT "think for themselves". They believe what "Oprah" tells them!  If we were to require EVERY voter to REALLY KNOW what he/she is doing , rather than just being "of age", the influence would be greater and the results better. That , my friend, is MY "humble opinion".
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[DemonCat] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:14:56 AM 
I'm sure it'll work out somehow. I wish you the best next year in getting into college. Sorry you didn't get in this year. 

So what do you think...have we taken a closer step towards armageddon?
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[_strat_] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:12:13 AM 
Well, Im sorry to hear that. I hope you get through allright.

Well, Im fine. Graduated, failed to get into a college, so Im working for a year and trying again next year.
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[DemonCat] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:08:18 AM 
Nah, too much worry. I simply couldn't stop wondering how I'm going to pay my bills this month. How have you been?
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[_strat_] Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:05:40 AM 

Aha, to much coffee? Well, its good to be back, and good to see you again as well.


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