I'm talking about normal people. There are no normal people in the Bible Belt. They wouldn't know what religion is even if it hit them on the head with a hammer. When the dregs of Europe left for the American Continent, they settled where you live and where I lived: The Belt Buckle. The vast wasteland between the two coasts goes beyong cultural; It's a humanitarian wasteland. The countryside should be looked at differently from the rest because the isolation creates ideal conditions for disaster.
There are predators everywhere: the police, the church, the synagogue, the school. It's not the religion that says to rape or to mistreat animals and the police code surely doesn't say you can rape and mistreat animals; the fault lies with sheer human stupidity, ignorance and meanness, and only society with the strength in numbers can overcome and control the number of cases of abuse. In many cases, we're left wondering just how deep is the rot.
Sorry, I couldn't be more opposed. Having just seen a pastor's son turn out to be a serial rapist, another's mow down the fence to his own FATHER'S Church and the supposed "good Church goers" her mistreat animals (MY biggie) around here in the south just makes me cringe.
Serial rapist just caught here really brings it home. Baptist. Went to Church (notice the caps..I am not against it) regularly but can still rape young women and make her parents watch?!? I live in the "Bible Belt" yet there is no Humane Society?!? Remeber a bit back when a supposed "animal rescue" place was found to have been shooting animals in the head and getting rid of them in a mass ditch?! Yet another "good Christian." Went to Bible study and everything every Wed night.
Makes me sick, personally. "Most of the time" they are good. You could appy that to the population in general. I guess my true beef is with hyprocricy.
Where AmI wrote:
On occasion we do things that contradict our principles and beliefs, so we need to forgive ourselves and others a little more, not as a religious command, but as a way to go through life without tearing our hair out in desperation and crawling around others seeking easy laughs or inventing revenge. Can’t be forgiving all the time, can’t turn the other cheek all the time but you can’t let the negative outweigh what is positive, which is a lot.
I tend to believe that a normal person who feels strongly enough to follow his/hers religious beliefs in practice, most of the time, keeps strong social ties and feels more strongly the responsibility to society – hardly the weak minded individual that is usually portrayed.Hospitals and international aid organizations are securely rooted in religious beliefs, and they were kick started by religious organizations, but they’re hardly thumping their bibles at those whom they are assisting. They’re far too busy for that, I assume. They’re not weak and definitely not stupid.
In this day and age, I think it requires more courage because of the instant labeling of bigot, pedophile, church rat, etc. That’s just on the Catholic side of things.
I used to think how corny, bigoted and antiquated it was to witness church processions in little villages out in the country. It’s because I was not aware of just how deeply the procession served to unite the locals, to have fun and party, and how it served the purpose of reaffirming their cultural identity in the process. Now I see a 500 year-old statue of a Virgin or a Jesus - and it is part of a heritage, it’s not just a statue to pray to, it’s not simply an idol to worship and it’s not an antique at a museum, removed from the human context that created it. Realization of the fact doesn’t make me want to get down on my knees and pray, but rather, to respect and admire it.
Deep Freeze, I don’t understand this targeting of Jesus all the time, especially when he had good things to say and abided by his principles to a fault. Obviously in his day, his actions resonated strongly enough for people all over the Roman Empire to listen and convert to his teachings and those of his immediate followers (the Bible has no direct writings from Jesus) - despite extreme hardship. What’s fair is fair and let’s give credit where it’s due.
We don’t make ourselves; we are a product of our society and society is ruled by principles rooted in the belief of the Supernatural. How Good or Evil we become depends on how we are treated by others and, witnessing the actions of those around us, we set our own course of action by the values of the society we live in.
[Head banger] Friday, September 11, 2009 8:51:39 PM
we have to be responsible for ourselfs, and our actions. if we say that a supernatural entity, a church, or even our neibour is responsible for wether we are good or evil we alow people an excuse to do evil. This, IMO is why you see evil pervading religious organizations, be it the crusades, radical muslim terrorists, child molesting priests, church run schools for natives, whatever. there are lots of people who are religious who do good things, but lots who do significant evil.
DF, if the story of Jesus is a lot for you, what is the story of mohamed anyway, all I know is he was a profet who followed jesus in cronology. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Where AmI from Friday, September 11, 2009 5:02:01 PM)
Where AmI wrote:
On occasion we do things that contradict our principles and beliefs, so we need to forgive ourselves and others a little more, not as a religious command, but as a way to go through life without tearing our hair out in desperation and crawling around others seeking easy laughs or inventing revenge. Can’t be forgiving all the time, can’t turn the other cheek all the time but you can’t let the negative outweigh what is positive, which is a lot.
I tend to believe that a normal person who feels strongly enough to follow his/hers religious beliefs in practice, most of the time, keeps strong social ties and feels more strongly the responsibility to society – hardly the weak minded individual that is usually portrayed.Hospitals and international aid organizations are securely rooted in religious beliefs, and they were kick started by religious organizations, but they’re hardly thumping their bibles at those whom they are assisting. They’re far too busy for that, I assume. They’re not weak and definitely not stupid.
In this day and age, I think it requires more courage because of the instant labeling of bigot, pedophile, church rat, etc. That’s just on the Catholic side of things.
I used to think how corny, bigoted and antiquated it was to witness church processions in little villages out in the country. It’s because I was not aware of just how deeply the procession served to unite the locals, to have fun and party, and how it served the purpose of reaffirming their cultural identity in the process. Now I see a 500 year-old statue of a Virgin or a Jesus - and it is part of a heritage, it’s not just a statue to pray to, it’s not simply an idol to worship and it’s not an antique at a museum, removed from the human context that created it. Realization of the fact doesn’t make me want to get down on my knees and pray, but rather, to respect and admire it.
Deep Freeze, I don’t understand this targeting of Jesus all the time, especially when he had good things to say and abided by his principles to a fault. Obviously in his day, his actions resonated strongly enough for people all over the Roman Empire to listen and convert to his teachings and those of his immediate followers (the Bible has no direct writings from Jesus) - despite extreme hardship. What’s fair is fair and let’s give credit where it’s due.
We don’t make ourselves; we are a product of our society and society is ruled by principles rooted in the belief of the Supernatural. How Good or Evil we become depends on how we are treated by others and, witnessing the actions of those around us, we set our own course of action by the values of the society we live in.
[guidogodoy] Friday, September 11, 2009 8:12:29 PM
Sorry, I couldn't be more opposed. Having just seen a pastor's son turn out to be a serial rapist, another's mow down the fence to his own FATHER'S Church and the supposed "good Church goers" her mistreat animals (MY biggie) around here in the south just makes me cringe.
Serial rapist just caught here really brings it home. Baptist. Went to Church (notice the caps..I am not against it) regularly but can still rape young women and make her parents watch?!? I live in the "Bible Belt" yet there is no Humane Society?!? Remeber a bit back when a supposed "animal rescue" place was found to have been shooting animals in the head and getting rid of them in a mass ditch?! Yet another "good Christian." Went to Bible study and everything every Wed night.
Makes me sick, personally. "Most of the time" they are good. You could appy that to the population in general. I guess my true beef is with hyprocricy. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Where AmI from Friday, September 11, 2009 5:02:01 PM)
Where AmI wrote:
On occasion we do things that contradict our principles and beliefs, so we need to forgive ourselves and others a little more, not as a religious command, but as a way to go through life without tearing our hair out in desperation and crawling around others seeking easy laughs or inventing revenge. Can’t be forgiving all the time, can’t turn the other cheek all the time but you can’t let the negative outweigh what is positive, which is a lot.
I tend to believe that a normal person who feels strongly enough to follow his/hers religious beliefs in practice, most of the time, keeps strong social ties and feels more strongly the responsibility to society – hardly the weak minded individual that is usually portrayed.Hospitals and international aid organizations are securely rooted in religious beliefs, and they were kick started by religious organizations, but they’re hardly thumping their bibles at those whom they are assisting. They’re far too busy for that, I assume. They’re not weak and definitely not stupid.
In this day and age, I think it requires more courage because of the instant labeling of bigot, pedophile, church rat, etc. That’s just on the Catholic side of things.
I used to think how corny, bigoted and antiquated it was to witness church processions in little villages out in the country. It’s because I was not aware of just how deeply the procession served to unite the locals, to have fun and party, and how it served the purpose of reaffirming their cultural identity in the process. Now I see a 500 year-old statue of a Virgin or a Jesus - and it is part of a heritage, it’s not just a statue to pray to, it’s not simply an idol to worship and it’s not an antique at a museum, removed from the human context that created it. Realization of the fact doesn’t make me want to get down on my knees and pray, but rather, to respect and admire it.
Deep Freeze, I don’t understand this targeting of Jesus all the time, especially when he had good things to say and abided by his principles to a fault. Obviously in his day, his actions resonated strongly enough for people all over the Roman Empire to listen and convert to his teachings and those of his immediate followers (the Bible has no direct writings from Jesus) - despite extreme hardship. What’s fair is fair and let’s give credit where it’s due.
We don’t make ourselves; we are a product of our society and society is ruled by principles rooted in the belief of the Supernatural. How Good or Evil we become depends on how we are treated by others and, witnessing the actions of those around us, we set our own course of action by the values of the society we live in.
[Deep Freeze] Friday, September 11, 2009 6:33:01 PM
Deep Freeze, I don’t understand this targeting of Jesus all the time
Hmm. Well, if you feel as though I am "targeting" I will tell you that I am not. I use this Christian belief merely in an illustrative effort. As for what he did or did not do and how it actually affected people of the time, I was not there and also I do not "get" the whole relationship between his alleged adventures and attaining deity status so I will defer to your obvious expertise. If I use "Mohammed" in future discussions, I do hope it will be accepted in the spirit in which I intend?
I do not accept that we are molded by others. I just do not. Environment and circumstance are all related to our character. Just as a gardener must cultivate his plot, so must man cultivate the garden of his mind, weeding out useless, wrong and impure thought so that he may realize the fruits of goodness and right thinking. By understanding we are the master of our souls and directors of our lives, we discover WITHIN ourselves the laws of thought and how the mind works to shape circumstance and destiny.
As I mentioned earlier, thought and character are ONE and outer conditions of a person's life will always be found to be harmoniously related to one's inner state. EVERY man is where he is by the Law of his being. The thought which is built into his character have brought him there, not by chance but by the result of a law which cannot err. As the progessive and evolving being, man is where he is that he may LEARN and grow and as he learns the spiritual lesson which circumstance contains for him, it passes and gives way to new circumstance.
The soul attracts that which it secretly harbors, my dear. That which it loves and also that which it fears. It reaches the height of cherished aspirations and falls to the level of unchastened desire. In short, good thought bears good fruit and bad thoughts bad fruit. The outer world shapes itself to the inner world of thought. As the reaper of our own harvest, we learn both by suffering and bliss.
[.] Friday, September 11, 2009 5:02:01 PM
On occasion we do things that contradict our principles and beliefs, so we need to forgive ourselves and others a little more, not as a religious command, but as a way to go through life without tearing our hair out in desperation and crawling around others seeking easy laughs or inventing revenge. Can’t be forgiving all the time, can’t turn the other cheek all the time but you can’t let the negative outweigh what is positive, which is a lot.
I tend to believe that a normal person who feels strongly enough to follow his/hers religious beliefs in practice, most of the time, keeps strong social ties and feels more strongly the responsibility to society – hardly the weak minded individual that is usually portrayed.Hospitals and international aid organizations are securely rooted in religious beliefs, and they were kick started by religious organizations, but they’re hardly thumping their bibles at those whom they are assisting. They’re far too busy for that, I assume. They’re not weak and definitely not stupid.
In this day and age, I think it requires more courage because of the instant labeling of bigot, pedophile, church rat, etc. That’s just on the Catholic side of things.
I used to think how corny, bigoted and antiquated it was to witness church processions in little villages out in the country. It’s because I was not aware of just how deeply the procession served to unite the locals, to have fun and party, and how it served the purpose of reaffirming their cultural identity in the process. Now I see a 500 year-old statue of a Virgin or a Jesus - and it is part of a heritage, it’s not just a statue to pray to, it’s not simply an idol to worship and it’s not an antique at a museum, removed from the human context that created it. Realization of the fact doesn’t make me want to get down on my knees and pray, but rather, to respect and admire it.
Deep Freeze, I don’t understand this targeting of Jesus all the time, especially when he had good things to say and abided by his principles to a fault. Obviously in his day, his actions resonated strongly enough for people all over the Roman Empire to listen and convert to his teachings and those of his immediate followers (the Bible has no direct writings from Jesus) - despite extreme hardship. What’s fair is fair and let’s give credit where it’s due.
We don’t make ourselves; we are a product of our society and society is ruled by principles rooted in the belief of the Supernatural. How Good or Evil we become depends on how we are treated by others and, witnessing the actions of those around us, we set our own course of action by the values of the society we live in.
[Deep Freeze] Friday, September 11, 2009 7:45:33 AM
Its funny because I grew up in a very religious environment. I get what it is MOST of them are trying to accomplish and it is very much as Where is saying; doing something positive. I hold no particular affinity to Christians or any other group but I have noticed that most of them are good people that simply want to live good lives and believe in something more than themselves. Of course, there are those that are simply zealots and can be incredibly annoying but, for the most part, I have never been "harmed" by any of them.
To me, it is a very noble thing that a person chooses to live a certain lifestyle that lends itself to a higher calling and a more "charitable" mentality. I see nothing wrong with wanting to be "good". It is those that live in direct contradiction to their alleged "beliefs" that really bother me and there is NO shortage of those! Unfortunately, it is the few (as usual) that ruin it for the many. Same as anything else. Additionally, they make their whole belief system so damn confusing that it is nearly impossible to fully understand. The whole story of Jesus is a great example of a "WTF" moment, for me. I suppose there are those that would argue that there is nothing confusing at all about it but it remains far too intricate for my liking.
In any event, I find myself returning again to the original comments...I truly believe we are great OR evil by virtue of what we make ourselves, not be some supernatural force.
[Head banger] Friday, September 11, 2009 7:06:50 AM
well thats good for you I guess. the issue tends to lead itself to polarization when you generalize, the one on one details are different. I know good religious people, and bad ones. personaly if they use religion as a guide for life, then thats good, if they use it to control the way others behave toward them thats bad. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Where AmI from Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:52:58 PM)
Where AmI wrote:
Not to say I'm not aware of the fact you mentioned, Headbanger, simply stated that in my personal experience those with a religious background of some sort have never harmed me in any way and, in fact, were extremely helpful when I was in some rough situations.
Why polarize the issue of religions? It's not a "Either/Or" situation. Different people have different experiences and mine with religion tend to be very positive. Both muslim and christian (catholic and protestant). Edited at: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:53:17 PM
[.] Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:52:58 PM
Not to say I'm not aware of the fact you mentioned, Headbanger, simply stated that in my personal experience those with a religious background of some sort have never harmed me in any way and, in fact, were extremely helpful when I was in some rough situations.
Why polarize the issue of religions? It's not a "Either/Or" situation. Different people have different experiences and mine with religion tend to be very positive. Both muslim and christian (catholic and protestant). Edited at: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:53:17 PM
[Head banger] Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:04:43 PM
are there also not lowlifes using religion to justify the evil that they do to others. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Where AmI from Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:45:25 PM)
Where AmI wrote:
Funny, I never related religion with evil exclusively and looking back at people I met, the ones with some religious background were the ones who acted upon their principles the most. Though the principles and morals are sometimes too high to achieve 100%, 100% of the time, it's nice to know many people strive to be the best they can be at something positive. There are way too many lowlifes taking religions apart to justify their absolute selfishness and to justify harming others for me to take their side and be harmed by them in turn.
Becks wrote:
I agree with you Freeze. I am basically a Christian I guess you could say, but at the end of the day, all religions boil down to basically the same concepts, being a good person and living a good life etc. I could care less if everyone believes in God or whatever deity, it's called free will and if we were all the same and believed the same stuff, the world wouldn't be a very interesting place, LOL!
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know Ron, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims...it's all the same to me. It is really not a matter of what particular religion one follows. The whole point , for me, is that people just do not seem to want to accept that they can be good (or bad) simply because they are. No invisible man in the sky..No supernatural forces of any kind. I am glad that you acknowledge that one should take responsibility for ones actions. That is important.
[.] Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:45:25 PM
Funny, I never related religion with evil exclusively and looking back at people I met, the ones with some religious background were the ones who acted upon their principles the most. Though the principles and morals are sometimes too high to achieve 100%, 100% of the time, it's nice to know many people strive to be the best they can be at something positive. There are way too many lowlifes taking religions apart to justify their absolute selfishness and to justify harming others for me to take their side and be harmed by them in turn.
I agree with you Freeze. I am basically a Christian I guess you could say, but at the end of the day, all religions boil down to basically the same concepts, being a good person and living a good life etc. I could care less if everyone believes in God or whatever deity, it's called free will and if we were all the same and believed the same stuff, the world wouldn't be a very interesting place, LOL!
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know Ron, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims...it's all the same to me. It is really not a matter of what particular religion one follows. The whole point , for me, is that people just do not seem to want to accept that they can be good (or bad) simply because they are. No invisible man in the sky..No supernatural forces of any kind. I am glad that you acknowledge that one should take responsibility for ones actions. That is important.
[Head banger] Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:17:11 PM
you know I find that the weak tend to look for someone to blame for their situation. those people tend to be more likely to be heavily into organized religion
it gives them direction, and excuses at the same time. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:55:18 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know Ron, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims...it's all the same to me. It is really not a matter of what particular religion one follows. The whole point , for me, is that people just do not seem to want to accept that they can be good (or bad) simply because they are. No invisible man in the sky..No supernatural forces of any kind. I am glad that you acknowledge that one should take responsibility for ones actions. That is important.
[Head banger] Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:08:27 PM
damn that sounds good.
no king crab recently. had a nice rack of lamb for dinner. perfect!!!
That reminds me, last weekend the Princess sent me to the store to get steaks for dinner and while I was there I spied a King Crab claw that was the biggest, friggin piece of seafood I had seen in YEARS!!!! It was about 1.67 lbs. and I bought the damn thing!!!! I swear it was bigger than a baby's ARM!!! Cost me well over $20 but was absolutely DELICIOUS!!!!!! I steamed it for about half an hour and then had a small piece of steak with it. Oh MAN!!!! It was incredible.
(Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:32:59 PM)
Makin it worse?????? How could it be any worse???? Jehova Jehova
guidogodoy wrote:
What of the Snake Handlers?!?! BLASPHEMER!!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know Ron, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims...it's all the same to me. It is really not a matter of what particular religion one follows. The whole point , for me, is that people just do not seem to want to accept that they can be good (or bad) simply because they are. No invisible man in the sky..No supernatural forces of any kind. I am glad that you acknowledge that one should take responsibility for ones actions. That is important.
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:23:28 PM
Makin it worse?????? How could it be any worse???? Jehova Jehova [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:14:54 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
What of the Snake Handlers?!?! BLASPHEMER!!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know Ron, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims...it's all the same to me. It is really not a matter of what particular religion one follows. The whole point , for me, is that people just do not seem to want to accept that they can be good (or bad) simply because they are. No invisible man in the sky..No supernatural forces of any kind. I am glad that you acknowledge that one should take responsibility for ones actions. That is important.
[guidogodoy] Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:14:54 PM
You know Ron, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims...it's all the same to me. It is really not a matter of what particular religion one follows. The whole point , for me, is that people just do not seem to want to accept that they can be good (or bad) simply because they are. No invisible man in the sky..No supernatural forces of any kind. I am glad that you acknowledge that one should take responsibility for ones actions. That is important.
[Becks] Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:57:57 PM
I agree with you Freeze. I am basically a Christian I guess you could say, but at the end of the day, all religions boil down to basically the same concepts, being a good person and living a good life etc. I could care less if everyone believes in God or whatever deity, it's called free will and if we were all the same and believed the same stuff, the world wouldn't be a very interesting place, LOL! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:55:18 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know Ron, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims...it's all the same to me. It is really not a matter of what particular religion one follows. The whole point , for me, is that people just do not seem to want to accept that they can be good (or bad) simply because they are. No invisible man in the sky..No supernatural forces of any kind. I am glad that you acknowledge that one should take responsibility for ones actions. That is important.
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:55:18 PM
You know Ron, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims...it's all the same to me. It is really not a matter of what particular religion one follows. The whole point , for me, is that people just do not seem to want to accept that they can be good (or bad) simply because they are. No invisible man in the sky..No supernatural forces of any kind. I am glad that you acknowledge that one should take responsibility for ones actions. That is important.
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:35:47 PM
Even in the world of Christianity, free will is not interfered with by God. To credit God for ones own shortcomings or great achievements in life is, to me, not taking responsibility for one's self. I make my bed and I lie in it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:39:03 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not have a copy of the Theory of Human Motivation so I cannot say what it is exactly you are reading but I would think the word is egotistical. Of course, Maslow was not an English master so , who knows?? In any case, you need not aplogize. You know how I am!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
I get that you feel a sense of belonging when surrounded by those of your own. That would make sense. I believe there is something in Maslow's writing about social needs? It would follow that you would feel that way. I guess what I am driving at is the whole "being great" thing that started this conversation. I am always perplexed by those that feel man, himself is incapable of being great and , therefore, it is the result of some deity or supernatural being dabbling in creation. I get this argument most often from the religious folks, which is why I prefaced my comments to Joe. I do not wish to offend.
You see, I believe that man is ALWAYS the master, even in his weakest and most abandonded state. But in a weakened or degraded state, he becomes the foolish master that mismanages his mind. When he begins to reflect upon his condition and search diligently for the Law upon which his being is established, he becomes the wise master and directs his energies with intelligence, fashioning his thought to fruitful issues. My dear, only by searching and mining are gold and diamonds obtained.
Oh and guido......Moo.
(Quoting Message by Bev from Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:57:19 AM)
Bev wrote:
The soup can wait - lol
I'm sorry. Did I use the term incorrectly? In the hierarchy of needs one moves from a self-centered (egoic) focus to one of self-awareness ultimately leading to outward focus. But I think I understand your point.
I am of the thinking that I am a better, richer, individual when I am in the midst of caring, likeminded people - when we all connect, we are a stronger force.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm...egoic?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, Bev. You know I cannot resist!! Interesting thoughts, though. As a matter of physics, I suppose we ARE actually all "connected". Had not actually considered that angle. Also interesting that you would reference Maslow. Needs are basic in everyone, just at varying levels. I suppose becoming self-aware helps in that one will realize that there is more to one's life than self alone.
For me, the whole thing boils down to mind and the power thereof. I mean, scientists are only beginning to explore the vast powers of the mind. They have only scratched the surface of what we are capable of doing with our minds. The fact is, there is tremendous power there. I have discussed this often.
Thought and character are one, and as character can only manifest itself through environment and circumstance, the outer conditions of a person's life can always be found to be harmoniously related to his INNER state. Now, this does not mean that a certain circumstance is an indication of entire character but, by and large, circumstance is intimately connected with some vital thought element within us. Basically, everyone is where he is by the law of his being.
Bev wrote:
I found a way to include the sacred cow in my prose; however, said cow will be cast aside as will the religious dogma to which some subsribe so vehemently!
It is true, we are all connected, scientifically and spiritually. There is no new matter. There are only new combinations of the same matter from which the universe was created. So logically we are connected, similar. As spiritual beings we are also connected. Life's journey involves moving through the stages of ego (think Maslow's Hierarchy) to a higher self-awareness. Being the optimist I can be at times I tend to believe we go a little further.
Once the ego is quelled we can then move toward those in our midst not unlike how we were living in an egoic state. In that regard we very much connect to one another, and ultimately the life energy that sustains us.
When we shut ourselves off from any interaction or closeness with another what then?
Edited at: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:49:22 AM
[.] Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:59:48 PM
Yeah, what a souvenir.
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:43:27 PM
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No kidding!!!
That reminds me, last weekend the Princess sent me to the store to get steaks for dinner and while I was there I spied a King Crab claw that was the biggest, friggin piece of seafood I had seen in YEARS!!!! It was about 1.67 lbs. and I bought the damn thing!!!! I swear it was bigger than a baby's ARM!!! Cost me well over $20 but was absolutely DELICIOUS!!!!!! I steamed it for about half an hour and then had a small piece of steak with it. Oh MAN!!!! It was incredible.
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:59:49 PM
Perhaps this will suffice??...
[guidogodoy] Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:52:24 PM
Does a ZAP count as a big click? LOL!!!
Municipal land, BTW. Hell if I am gonna get an ass full of buckshot over a cow turd. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Where AmI from Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:46:08 PM)
Where AmI wrote:
Ouch! Can you hear the clicks?
Have you considered visiting your neighbor and saying hi? Perhaps he'll let you get some cow chips because it's not a good idea to trespass on a countryman's property.
guidogodoy wrote:
You know, I have tried to get free cow chips but that damn little silver wire in between the bigger ones always seems to have some sort of static electricity whenever I try to climb through it! Sure catches the cow's attention when I shriek like a little girl and jump halfway across the street, though.
Where AmI wrote:
Having lived literally across the street from a cattle feedlot, I have to say cows stink so bad - not as bad as pigs - but they stink so bad the stench gets under your skin and in your clothes and into your lungs.
On a day without wind going the opposite direction, or a day without wind period, the air is thick with the stench of cows.
I love farm animals...
Have you tried burning dry cow chips for fuel? They burn really well and they're environmentally friendly, and for you perhaps even free....
I understand the worship of an animal that has guaranteed the survival of mankind throughout the millenia. Fantastic creatures. Wish they were carnivores and ate people.
guidogodoy wrote:
Alright. I am getting damn sick and tired of all of you who are badmouthing the cow. I live with across the street from them, they feed and give me something to keep my Mac & Cheese (spirals) from being lumpy.
Spew whatever religious mumbo-jumbo you want but lay off my cows!
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:46:24 PM
Have you considered visiting your neighbor and saying hi? Perhaps he'll let you get some cow chips because it's not a good idea to trespass on a countryman's property.
You know, I have tried to get free cow chips but that damn little silver wire in between the bigger ones always seems to have some sort of static electricity whenever I try to climb through it! Sure catches the cow's attention when I shriek like a little girl and jump halfway across the street, though.
Where AmI wrote:
Having lived literally across the street from a cattle feedlot, I have to say cows stink so bad - not as bad as pigs - but they stink so bad the stench gets under your skin and in your clothes and into your lungs.
On a day without wind going the opposite direction, or a day without wind period, the air is thick with the stench of cows.
I love farm animals...
Have you tried burning dry cow chips for fuel? They burn really well and they're environmentally friendly, and for you perhaps even free....
I understand the worship of an animal that has guaranteed the survival of mankind throughout the millenia. Fantastic creatures. Wish they were carnivores and ate people.
guidogodoy wrote:
Alright. I am getting damn sick and tired of all of you who are badmouthing the cow. I live with across the street from them, they feed and give me something to keep my Mac & Cheese (spirals) from being lumpy.
Spew whatever religious mumbo-jumbo you want but lay off my cows!
[guidogodoy] Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:29:33 PM
You know, I have tried to get free cow chips but that damn little silver wire in between the bigger ones always seems to have some sort of static electricity whenever I try to climb through it! Sure catches the cow's attention when I shriek like a little girl and jump halfway across the street, though. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Where AmI from Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:20:16 PM)
Where AmI wrote:
Having lived literally across the street from a cattle feedlot, I have to say cows stink so bad - not as bad as pigs - but they stink so bad the stench gets under your skin and in your clothes and into your lungs.
On a day without wind going the opposite direction, or a day without wind period, the air is thick with the stench of cows.
I love farm animals...
Have you tried burning dry cow chips for fuel? They burn really well and they're environmentally friendly, and for you perhaps even free....
I understand the worship of an animal that has guaranteed the survival of mankind throughout the millenia. Fantastic creatures. Wish they were carnivores and ate people.
guidogodoy wrote:
Alright. I am getting damn sick and tired of all of you who are badmouthing the cow. I live with across the street from them, they feed and give me something to keep my Mac & Cheese (spirals) from being lumpy.
Spew whatever religious mumbo-jumbo you want but lay off my cows!
[.] Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:20:16 PM
Having lived literally across the street from a cattle feedlot, I have to say cows stink so bad - not as bad as pigs - but they stink so bad the stench gets under your skin and in your clothes and into your lungs.
On a day without wind going the opposite direction, or a day without wind period, the air is thick with the stench of cows.
I love farm animals...
Have you tried burning dry cow chips for fuel? They burn really well and they're environmentally friendly, and for you perhaps even free....
I understand the worship of an animal that has guaranteed the survival of mankind throughout the millenia. Fantastic creatures. Wish they were carnivores and ate people. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:56:42 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Alright. I am getting damn sick and tired of all of you who are badmouthing the cow. I live with across the street from them, they feed and give me something to keep my Mac & Cheese (spirals) from being lumpy.
Spew whatever religious mumbo-jumbo you want but lay off my cows!
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:46:32 PM
MOO U TOO!!!!!!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:01:09 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Moo U. Bwwwahaaahaaa! Go STATE!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not have a copy of the Theory of Human Motivation so I cannot say what it is exactly you are reading but I would think the word is egotistical. Of course, Maslow was not an English master so , who knows?? In any case, you need not aplogize. You know how I am!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
I get that you feel a sense of belonging when surrounded by those of your own. That would make sense. I believe there is something in Maslow's writing about social needs? It would follow that you would feel that way. I guess what I am driving at is the whole "being great" thing that started this conversation. I am always perplexed by those that feel man, himself is incapable of being great and , therefore, it is the result of some deity or supernatural being dabbling in creation. I get this argument most often from the religious folks, which is why I prefaced my comments to Joe. I do not wish to offend.
You see, I believe that man is ALWAYS the master, even in his weakest and most abandonded state. But in a weakened or degraded state, he becomes the foolish master that mismanages his mind. When he begins to reflect upon his condition and search diligently for the Law upon which his being is established, he becomes the wise master and directs his energies with intelligence, fashioning his thought to fruitful issues. My dear, only by searching and mining are gold and diamonds obtained.
Oh and guido......Moo.
(Quoting Message by Bev from Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:57:19 AM)
Bev wrote:
The soup can wait - lol
I'm sorry. Did I use the term incorrectly? In the hierarchy of needs one moves from a self-centered (egoic) focus to one of self-awareness ultimately leading to outward focus. But I think I understand your point.
I am of the thinking that I am a better, richer, individual when I am in the midst of caring, likeminded people - when we all connect, we are a stronger force.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm...egoic?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, Bev. You know I cannot resist!! Interesting thoughts, though. As a matter of physics, I suppose we ARE actually all "connected". Had not actually considered that angle. Also interesting that you would reference Maslow. Needs are basic in everyone, just at varying levels. I suppose becoming self-aware helps in that one will realize that there is more to one's life than self alone.
For me, the whole thing boils down to mind and the power thereof. I mean, scientists are only beginning to explore the vast powers of the mind. They have only scratched the surface of what we are capable of doing with our minds. The fact is, there is tremendous power there. I have discussed this often.
Thought and character are one, and as character can only manifest itself through environment and circumstance, the outer conditions of a person's life can always be found to be harmoniously related to his INNER state. Now, this does not mean that a certain circumstance is an indication of entire character but, by and large, circumstance is intimately connected with some vital thought element within us. Basically, everyone is where he is by the law of his being.
Bev wrote:
I found a way to include the sacred cow in my prose; however, said cow will be cast aside as will the religious dogma to which some subsribe so vehemently!
It is true, we are all connected, scientifically and spiritually. There is no new matter. There are only new combinations of the same matter from which the universe was created. So logically we are connected, similar. As spiritual beings we are also connected. Life's journey involves moving through the stages of ego (think Maslow's Hierarchy) to a higher self-awareness. Being the optimist I can be at times I tend to believe we go a little further.
Once the ego is quelled we can then move toward those in our midst not unlike how we were living in an egoic state. In that regard we very much connect to one another, and ultimately the life energy that sustains us.
When we shut ourselves off from any interaction or closeness with another what then?
Edited at: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:49:22 AM
[guidogodoy] Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:01:09 PM
Moo U. Bwwwahaaahaaa! Go STATE!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:39:03 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not have a copy of the Theory of Human Motivation so I cannot say what it is exactly you are reading but I would think the word is egotistical. Of course, Maslow was not an English master so , who knows?? In any case, you need not aplogize. You know how I am!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
I get that you feel a sense of belonging when surrounded by those of your own. That would make sense. I believe there is something in Maslow's writing about social needs? It would follow that you would feel that way. I guess what I am driving at is the whole "being great" thing that started this conversation. I am always perplexed by those that feel man, himself is incapable of being great and , therefore, it is the result of some deity or supernatural being dabbling in creation. I get this argument most often from the religious folks, which is why I prefaced my comments to Joe. I do not wish to offend.
You see, I believe that man is ALWAYS the master, even in his weakest and most abandonded state. But in a weakened or degraded state, he becomes the foolish master that mismanages his mind. When he begins to reflect upon his condition and search diligently for the Law upon which his being is established, he becomes the wise master and directs his energies with intelligence, fashioning his thought to fruitful issues. My dear, only by searching and mining are gold and diamonds obtained.
Oh and guido......Moo.
(Quoting Message by Bev from Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:57:19 AM)
Bev wrote:
The soup can wait - lol
I'm sorry. Did I use the term incorrectly? In the hierarchy of needs one moves from a self-centered (egoic) focus to one of self-awareness ultimately leading to outward focus. But I think I understand your point.
I am of the thinking that I am a better, richer, individual when I am in the midst of caring, likeminded people - when we all connect, we are a stronger force.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm...egoic?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, Bev. You know I cannot resist!! Interesting thoughts, though. As a matter of physics, I suppose we ARE actually all "connected". Had not actually considered that angle. Also interesting that you would reference Maslow. Needs are basic in everyone, just at varying levels. I suppose becoming self-aware helps in that one will realize that there is more to one's life than self alone.
For me, the whole thing boils down to mind and the power thereof. I mean, scientists are only beginning to explore the vast powers of the mind. They have only scratched the surface of what we are capable of doing with our minds. The fact is, there is tremendous power there. I have discussed this often.
Thought and character are one, and as character can only manifest itself through environment and circumstance, the outer conditions of a person's life can always be found to be harmoniously related to his INNER state. Now, this does not mean that a certain circumstance is an indication of entire character but, by and large, circumstance is intimately connected with some vital thought element within us. Basically, everyone is where he is by the law of his being.
Bev wrote:
I found a way to include the sacred cow in my prose; however, said cow will be cast aside as will the religious dogma to which some subsribe so vehemently!
It is true, we are all connected, scientifically and spiritually. There is no new matter. There are only new combinations of the same matter from which the universe was created. So logically we are connected, similar. As spiritual beings we are also connected. Life's journey involves moving through the stages of ego (think Maslow's Hierarchy) to a higher self-awareness. Being the optimist I can be at times I tend to believe we go a little further.
Once the ego is quelled we can then move toward those in our midst not unlike how we were living in an egoic state. In that regard we very much connect to one another, and ultimately the life energy that sustains us.
When we shut ourselves off from any interaction or closeness with another what then?
Edited at: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:49:22 AM
[Head banger] Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:38:22 PM
accross the street is a good place to keep them till time for the butcher and ultimatly my BBQ. just dont bring a live one to my home. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:56:42 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Alright. I am getting damn sick and tired of all of you who are badmouthing the cow. I live with across the street from them, they feed and give me something to keep my Mac & Cheese (spirals) from being lumpy.
Spew whatever religious mumbo-jumbo you want but lay off my cows!
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:39:03 AM
I do not have a copy of the Theory of Human Motivation so I cannot say what it is exactly you are reading but I would think the word is egotistical. Of course, Maslow was not an English master so , who knows?? In any case, you need not aplogize. You know how I am!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
I get that you feel a sense of belonging when surrounded by those of your own. That would make sense. I believe there is something in Maslow's writing about social needs? It would follow that you would feel that way. I guess what I am driving at is the whole "being great" thing that started this conversation. I am always perplexed by those that feel man, himself is incapable of being great and , therefore, it is the result of some deity or supernatural being dabbling in creation. I get this argument most often from the religious folks, which is why I prefaced my comments to Joe. I do not wish to offend.
You see, I believe that man is ALWAYS the master, even in his weakest and most abandonded state. But in a weakened or degraded state, he becomes the foolish master that mismanages his mind. When he begins to reflect upon his condition and search diligently for the Law upon which his being is established, he becomes the wise master and directs his energies with intelligence, fashioning his thought to fruitful issues. My dear, only by searching and mining are gold and diamonds obtained.
I'm sorry. Did I use the term incorrectly? In the hierarchy of needs one moves from a self-centered (egoic) focus to one of self-awareness ultimately leading to outward focus. But I think I understand your point.
I am of the thinking that I am a better, richer, individual when I am in the midst of caring, likeminded people - when we all connect, we are a stronger force.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm...egoic?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, Bev. You know I cannot resist!! Interesting thoughts, though. As a matter of physics, I suppose we ARE actually all "connected". Had not actually considered that angle. Also interesting that you would reference Maslow. Needs are basic in everyone, just at varying levels. I suppose becoming self-aware helps in that one will realize that there is more to one's life than self alone.
For me, the whole thing boils down to mind and the power thereof. I mean, scientists are only beginning to explore the vast powers of the mind. They have only scratched the surface of what we are capable of doing with our minds. The fact is, there is tremendous power there. I have discussed this often.
Thought and character are one, and as character can only manifest itself through environment and circumstance, the outer conditions of a person's life can always be found to be harmoniously related to his INNER state. Now, this does not mean that a certain circumstance is an indication of entire character but, by and large, circumstance is intimately connected with some vital thought element within us. Basically, everyone is where he is by the law of his being.
Bev wrote:
I found a way to include the sacred cow in my prose; however, said cow will be cast aside as will the religious dogma to which some subsribe so vehemently!
It is true, we are all connected, scientifically and spiritually. There is no new matter. There are only new combinations of the same matter from which the universe was created. So logically we are connected, similar. As spiritual beings we are also connected. Life's journey involves moving through the stages of ego (think Maslow's Hierarchy) to a higher self-awareness. Being the optimist I can be at times I tend to believe we go a little further.
Once the ego is quelled we can then move toward those in our midst not unlike how we were living in an egoic state. In that regard we very much connect to one another, and ultimately the life energy that sustains us.
When we shut ourselves off from any interaction or closeness with another what then?
Edited at: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:49:22 AM
[guidogodoy] Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:18:34 AM
While I never liked them, they stopped making the Ninja Turtles M&C
Sharapova and now Oudin are out! Ahhhh....A seed on you back seems to mean sudden death! At least in the women't draw. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Bev from Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:58:39 AM)
Bev wrote:
No! Not the spirals ... you too?!
Mom says "Hi", btw.
guidogodoy wrote:
Alright. I am getting damn sick and tired of all of you who are badmouthing the cow. I live with across the street from them, they feed and give me something to keep my Mac & Cheese (spirals) from being lumpy.
Spew whatever religious mumbo-jumbo you want but lay off my cows!
Alright. I am getting damn sick and tired of all of you who are badmouthing the cow. I live with across the street from them, they feed and give me something to keep my Mac & Cheese (spirals) from being lumpy.
Spew whatever religious mumbo-jumbo you want but lay off my cows!
[Bev] Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:57:19 AM
The soup can wait - lol
I'm sorry. Did I use the term incorrectly? In the hierarchy of needs one moves from a self-centered (egoic) focus to one of self-awareness ultimately leading to outward focus. But I think I understand your point.
I am of the thinking that I am a better, richer, individual when I am in the midst of caring, likeminded people - when we all connect, we are a stronger force. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:41:34 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm...egoic?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, Bev. You know I cannot resist!! Interesting thoughts, though. As a matter of physics, I suppose we ARE actually all "connected". Had not actually considered that angle. Also interesting that you would reference Maslow. Needs are basic in everyone, just at varying levels. I suppose becoming self-aware helps in that one will realize that there is more to one's life than self alone.
For me, the whole thing boils down to mind and the power thereof. I mean, scientists are only beginning to explore the vast powers of the mind. They have only scratched the surface of what we are capable of doing with our minds. The fact is, there is tremendous power there. I have discussed this often.
Thought and character are one, and as character can only manifest itself through environment and circumstance, the outer conditions of a person's life can always be found to be harmoniously related to his INNER state. Now, this does not mean that a certain circumstance is an indication of entire character but, by and large, circumstance is intimately connected with some vital thought element within us. Basically, everyone is where he is by the law of his being.
Bev wrote:
I found a way to include the sacred cow in my prose; however, said cow will be cast aside as will the religious dogma to which some subsribe so vehemently!
It is true, we are all connected, scientifically and spiritually. There is no new matter. There are only new combinations of the same matter from which the universe was created. So logically we are connected, similar. As spiritual beings we are also connected. Life's journey involves moving through the stages of ego (think Maslow's Hierarchy) to a higher self-awareness. Being the optimist I can be at times I tend to believe we go a little further.
Once the ego is quelled we can then move toward those in our midst not unlike how we were living in an egoic state. In that regard we very much connect to one another, and ultimately the life energy that sustains us.
When we shut ourselves off from any interaction or closeness with another what then?
[guidogodoy] Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:56:42 AM
Alright. I am getting damn sick and tired of all of you who are badmouthing the cow. I live with across the street from them, they feed and give me something to keep my Mac & Cheese (spirals) from being lumpy.
Spew whatever religious mumbo-jumbo you want but lay off my cows!
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:41:34 AM
Umm...egoic?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, Bev. You know I cannot resist!! Interesting thoughts, though. As a matter of physics, I suppose we ARE actually all "connected". Had not actually considered that angle. Also interesting that you would reference Maslow. Needs are basic in everyone, just at varying levels. I suppose becoming self-aware helps in that one will realize that there is more to one's life than self alone.
For me, the whole thing boils down to mind and the power thereof. I mean, scientists are only beginning to explore the vast powers of the mind. They have only scratched the surface of what we are capable of doing with our minds. The fact is, there is tremendous power there. I have discussed this often.
Thought and character are one, and as character can only manifest itself through environment and circumstance, the outer conditions of a person's life can always be found to be harmoniously related to his INNER state. Now, this does not mean that a certain circumstance is an indication of entire character but, by and large, circumstance is intimately connected with some vital thought element within us. Basically, everyone is where he is by the law of his being. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Bev from Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:19:16 AM)
Bev wrote:
I found a way to include the sacred cow in my prose; however, said cow will be cast aside as will the religious dogma to which some subsribe so vehemently!
It is true, we are all connected, scientifically and spiritually. There is no new matter. There are only new combinations of the same matter from which the universe was created. So logically we are connected, similar. As spiritual beings we are also connected. Life's journey involves moving through the stages of ego (think Maslow's Hierarchy) to a higher self-awareness. Being the optimist I can be at times I tend to believe we go a little further.
Once the ego is quelled we can then move toward those in our midst not unlike how we were living in an egoic state. In that regard we very much connect to one another, and ultimately the life energy that sustains us.
When we shut ourselves off from any interaction or closeness with another what then?
[Bev] Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:19:16 AM
I found a way to include the sacred cow in my prose; however, said cow will be cast aside as will the religious dogma to which some subsribe so vehemently!
It is true, we are all connected, scientifically and spiritually. There is no new matter. There are only new combinations of the same matter from which the universe was created. So logically we are connected, similar. As spiritual beings we are also connected. Life's journey involves moving through the stages of ego (think Maslow's Hierarchy) to a higher self-awareness. Being the optimist I can be at times I tend to believe we go a little further.
Once the ego is quelled we can then move toward those in our midst not unlike how we were living in an egoic state. In that regard we very much connect to one another, and ultimately the life energy that sustains us.
When we shut ourselves off from any interaction or closeness with another what then?
[Bev] Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:59:44 AM
Very interesting conversation going on over here ... must ponder this, hm? As you're well aware, I'm sure I'll want to share my thoughts as well, which may and may not have anything to do with cows : )
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:44:58 AM
Hmm..well then my answer would be , "no". Compassion does not create weakness. Lack of character creates weakness, as I mentioned earlier. I would put it this way;
ACT is the blossom of thought and joy or suffering are the fruit. Therefore, man creates by his own husbandry. Thought in the mind makes us what we are. By thought we have built ourselves. If man has "evil" thought, pain surely follows as night follows day. If one endures in purity of thought, joy will surely follow as does his shadow. What I am saying is, we are made or unmade by ourselves. In the armory of thought, we forge the weapons by which we destroy ourselves or the tools by which we build ourselves up in joy and strength. Character, my friend. Plain and simple.
your right compassion does not equal weekness, my question was does it create weakness?
yes I agree one can be spiritual without involving religion, in fact for me an organized religion detracts from spirituality.
well, its off to get ready for work, I leave you all to ponder the depths of my thoughts and or insanity at your lesiure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I suppose one could make an argument for almost any deviation but if what you are saying is that we need to define good and evil in terms that make one or the other "acceptable" or "normal", I am not sure that can be done. Values differ. If, as you suggest, it is possible to weaken ourselves by showing compassion rather than strength, I would argue that it takes tremendous INNER strength to be compassionate in certain situations. Many times, it is perceived as a weakness and that is a fallacy in itself. Compassion does not necessarily equate to weakness.
I guess we could debate right and wrong "til the cows come home" but that was not really the point. I think what we are saying is, there is room for belief in spirituality without having to take it to the level of religious dogma. At least that is how we started! HA!!!!
(Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:21:39 AM)
Head banger wrote:
what is good and what is evil? could it be that our norms of compassion and understanding are weekening the human condition by going against the evolution that darwin first proposed. would the human spiecies be better of if the strong were to survive, take what you can, mercy if for the weak attitude prevailed?
is putting your own pleasure first the goal, or an evil?
Edited at: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:32:17 AM
Edited at: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:47:42 AM Edited at: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:50:05 AM
[Head banger] Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:34:28 AM
I have no room for cows, send them away.
your right compassion does not equal weekness, my question was does it create weakness?
yes I agree one can be spiritual without involving religion, in fact for me an organized religion detracts from spirituality.
well, its off to get ready for work, I leave you all to ponder the depths of my thoughts and or insanity at your lesiure. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:29:44 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I suppose one could make an argument for almost any deviation but if what you are saying is that we need to define good and evil in terms that make one or the other "acceptable" or "normal", I am not sure that can be done. Values differ. If, as you suggest, it is possible to weaken ourselves by showing compassion rather than strength, I would argue that it takes tremendous INNER strength to be compassionate in certain situations. Many times, it is perceived as a weakness and that is a fallacy in itself. Compassion does not necessarily equate to weakness.
I guess we could debate right and wrong "til the cows come home" but that was not really the point. I think what we are saying is, there is room for belief in spirituality without having to take it to the level of religious dogma. At least that is how we started! HA!!!!
(Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:21:39 AM)
Head banger wrote:
what is good and what is evil? could it be that our norms of compassion and understanding are weekening the human condition by going against the evolution that darwin first proposed. would the human spiecies be better of if the strong were to survive, take what you can, mercy if for the weak attitude prevailed?
is putting your own pleasure first the goal, or an evil?
Edited at: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:32:17 AM
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:29:44 AM
Well, I suppose one could make an argument for almost any deviation but if what you are saying is that we need to define good and evil in terms that make one or the other "acceptable" or "normal", I am not sure that can be done. Values differ. If, as you suggest, it is possible to weaken ourselves by showing compassion rather than strength, I would argue that it takes tremendous INNER strength to be compassionate in certain situations. Many times, it is perceived as a weakness and that is a fallacy in itself. Compassion does not necessarily equate to weakness.
I guess we could debate right and wrong "til the cows come home" but that was not really the point. I think what we are saying is, there is room for belief in spirituality without having to take it to the level of religious dogma. At least that is how we started! HA!!!!
what is good and what is evil? could it be that our norms of compassion and understanding are weekening the human condition by going against the evolution that darwin first proposed. would the human spiecies be better of if the strong were to survive, take what you can, mercy if for the weak attitude prevailed?
is putting your own pleasure first the goal, or an evil?
Edited at: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:32:17 AM
[Head banger] Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:21:39 AM
what is good and what is evil? could it be that our norms of compassion and understanding are weekening the human condition by going against the evolution that darwin first proposed. would the human spiecies be better of if the strong were to survive, take what you can, mercy if for the weak attitude prevailed?
is putting your own pleasure first the goal, or an evil?
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:49:21 AM
And I do not take your comment lightly, my dear. It is an honor to have someone feel so strongly about me and I am humbled by your words. THAT is how I feel.
Ron, I get the aspect of good versus evil and "god" versus "devil". I suppose one could make a case for such an argument as far as the human condition but I honestly think that we choose our path. I mean, there are psychological disturbances, of course but I think man is generally born a good being, by and large.
The aphormism "As a man Thinketh, so is he" that I mentioned not only embraces the whole of our being but is so comprehensive as to reach out to every condition and circumstance in life, my friend. A person is literally what he thinks.., his character being the complete sum of all his thought. I do believe we are a growth by law and NOT a creation by artifice. Cause and effect is as absolutely undeviating in the hidden realm of thought as it is in the world we see around us. For us to be noble or "godlike" is not achieved by chance but is a natural result of continued right thinking! It is the effect of a long relationship with noble or "godlike" thought. Bestial character is, in the same way, the result of a long association with ignoble or groveling thought.
[joedraper] Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:47:52 AM
I've always thought of our relationship as special and unique. You are so right that it is rare for us to have this understanding, all the more reason why I treasure our relationship.
The world would be a very boring place if there weren't different angles to view things from
You are truly a great friend to have. I am a better person for knowing you.
ps: I do not say this lightly, this is no shallow compliment lol.
Well ,my dear, I truly believe one can be "spiritual" and not be "religious". Personally, I do not follow the whole "Jesus son-of-god" thing so, for me, there is no "up there" or "down there" or whatever. All of that stuff is just far too confusing for me. I prefer to think of us as great beings simply by virtue of what we have inside us. How we believe and how we think and how we act. What is "inside your heart", as it were.
I made the comments because I do follow your thought and I agree. You made your comments because you follow mine and agree. That is VERY rare between "Christians" and those that do not necessarily "believe" and I think that is VERY special. We agree , we just come at it from a different angle.
joedraper wrote:
DF, that is so true!
For those of us who are religious, I prefere the word spiritual but you get where I'm going with this lol...
We're told we're made in 'God's image' in 'God's spirit' etc. To live by God's ways...
We are the children of god etc.. why is it so wrong to not think of our own godliness? Surely we are gods within ourselves? If we strive for our own 'godliness' within, how can we go wrong? If we just respect and love ourselves and all those around us how can we fail?
I loved your opinion and response to my post. I agree with you 100%
Why can't we be great simply because we are?
Surely if there is a god up there this is what they'd want for us to be?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Wow, Joe! Nice thoughts. I think that , if we say that is the biggest mistake we make, then certainly the second biggest is our deference to a "higher" being or "creator" to describe our greatness of self. I mean, why is it that we cannot be great simply because we are? Why is it that we decide it simply CANNOT be us but HAS to be someone or something else??
One must discover the truth that they themselves are makers of themselves by virture of the thoughts that they choose and encourage; that MIND is the master weaver, both of inner garment of character and the outer garment of circumstance and that, as they may have woven earlier in ignorance and pain, they may now weave in enlightenment and happiness. As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. I think that one need only look to themselves to see that our GREATNESS is us..what we are within.
[ron h] Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:39:45 PM
You both are right and true in what you're saying. My only other thought is that as great as we can be, we can also be as bad *or evil if you will* to a point that we have believe our evilness has to come from somewhere *or something* other than our own self...so if there's one, there has to be an opposite. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:47:21 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Wow, Joe! Nice thoughts. I think that , if we say that is the biggest mistake we make, then certainly the second biggest is our deference to a "higher" being or "creator" to describe our greatness of self. I mean, why is it that we cannot be great simply because we are? Why is it that we decide it simply CANNOT be us but HAS to be someone or something else??
One must discover the truth that they themselves are makers of themselves by virture of the thoughts that they choose and encourage; that MIND is the master weaver, both of inner garment of character and the outer garment of circumstance and that, as they may have woven earlier in ignorance and pain, they may now weave in enlightenment and happiness. As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. I think that one need only look to themselves to see that our GREATNESS is us..what we are within.
[Deep Freeze] Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:31:34 PM
Well ,my dear, I truly believe one can be "spiritual" and not be "religious". Personally, I do not follow the whole "Jesus son-of-god" thing so, for me, there is no "up there" or "down there" or whatever. All of that stuff is just far too confusing for me. I prefer to think of us as great beings simply by virtue of what we have inside us. How we believe and how we think and how we act. What is "inside your heart", as it were.
I made the comments because I do follow your thought and I agree. You made your comments because you follow mine and agree. That is VERY rare between "Christians" and those that do not necessarily "believe" and I think that is VERY special. We agree , we just come at it from a different angle. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by joedraper from Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:00:19 PM)
joedraper wrote:
DF, that is so true!
For those of us who are religious, I prefere the word spiritual but you get where I'm going with this lol...
We're told we're made in 'God's image' in 'God's spirit' etc. To live by God's ways...
We are the children of god etc.. why is it so wrong to not think of our own godliness? Surely we are gods within ourselves? If we strive for our own 'godliness' within, how can we go wrong? If we just respect and love ourselves and all those around us how can we fail?
I loved your opinion and response to my post. I agree with you 100%
Why can't we be great simply because we are?
Surely if there is a god up there this is what they'd want for us to be?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Wow, Joe! Nice thoughts. I think that , if we say that is the biggest mistake we make, then certainly the second biggest is our deference to a "higher" being or "creator" to describe our greatness of self. I mean, why is it that we cannot be great simply because we are? Why is it that we decide it simply CANNOT be us but HAS to be someone or something else??
One must discover the truth that they themselves are makers of themselves by virture of the thoughts that they choose and encourage; that MIND is the master weaver, both of inner garment of character and the outer garment of circumstance and that, as they may have woven earlier in ignorance and pain, they may now weave in enlightenment and happiness. As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. I think that one need only look to themselves to see that our GREATNESS is us..what we are within.
[joedraper] Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:00:19 PM
DF, that is so true!
For those of us who are religious, I prefere the word spiritual but you get where I'm going with this lol...
We're told we're made in 'God's image' in 'God's spirit' etc. To live by God's ways...
We are the children of god etc.. why is it so wrong to not think of our own godliness? Surely we are gods within ourselves? If we strive for our own 'godliness' within, how can we go wrong? If we just respect and love ourselves and all those around us how can we fail?
I loved your opinion and response to my post. I agree with you 100%
Why can't we be great simply because we are?
Surely if there is a god up there this is what they'd want for us to be? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:47:21 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Wow, Joe! Nice thoughts. I think that , if we say that is the biggest mistake we make, then certainly the second biggest is our deference to a "higher" being or "creator" to describe our greatness of self. I mean, why is it that we cannot be great simply because we are? Why is it that we decide it simply CANNOT be us but HAS to be someone or something else??
One must discover the truth that they themselves are makers of themselves by virture of the thoughts that they choose and encourage; that MIND is the master weaver, both of inner garment of character and the outer garment of circumstance and that, as they may have woven earlier in ignorance and pain, they may now weave in enlightenment and happiness. As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. I think that one need only look to themselves to see that our GREATNESS is us..what we are within.
[Deep Freeze] Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:47:21 AM
Wow, Joe! Nice thoughts. I think that , if we say that is the biggest mistake we make, then certainly the second biggest is our deference to a "higher" being or "creator" to describe our greatness of self. I mean, why is it that we cannot be great simply because we are? Why is it that we decide it simply CANNOT be us but HAS to be someone or something else??
One must discover the truth that they themselves are makers of themselves by virture of the thoughts that they choose and encourage; that MIND is the master weaver, both of inner garment of character and the outer garment of circumstance and that, as they may have woven earlier in ignorance and pain, they may now weave in enlightenment and happiness. As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. I think that one need only look to themselves to see that our GREATNESS is us..what we are within.
[joedraper] Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:41:55 AM
The biggest mistake we humans make is thinking we are separate from each other. Separation is an illusion my friends, we are all reflections of one another.
" I am one Self, united with my Creator, at one with every
aspect of creation, and limitless in power and in peace."
We may look different and act different, yet this is the Human condition, created by our shadow self, the ego. The real you,the Beingness (Spirit) is all of Creation and Eternal. So love your brothers and sisters unconditionally and if your feel a greivance start to build up in you, surround it with love and always forgive, for by forgiving your brothers and sisters, you forgive yourself always, for we are One.
Let peace extend my mind and heart ,to you all
(I just thought that the message here was very apt and positive, hope you enjoy me sharing it with you all)
[hellrider 31038] Monday, September 07, 2009 1:16:57 PM
IT IS NOW TIME TO CRANK UP SOME CLASSIC JUDAS PRIEST STYLE HEAVY MEEETTT TTTTAAAALLLL
[spapad] Friday, September 04, 2009 9:32:14 PM
Yes we will be Hellrider!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, September 04, 2009 8:00:24 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
Oh hell yeah my good friend spapad (WE ARE SCREAMING IT OUT WITH OUR STUDDED WRISTBANDS ON AND OUR
FIST IN THE AIR
spapad wrote:
All I want for Christmas is my British Steele Tour DVD! Yes!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
Toronto needs you again to BUT FIRST A REST AND THE NEW ALBUM (TOTAL RUSH OF POWER HEAVY MEEETTT TTTTAAAALLLLL BEAST)
sof ft. \m/ wrote:
METAL GODS GREECE NEEDS YOU AGAIN!!! YOU ARE OUR DEFENDERS OF FAITH ... METAL FAITH OFCOURSE \m/
[hellrider 31038] Friday, September 04, 2009 8:00:24 PM
Oh hell yeah my good friend spapad (WE ARE SCREAMING IT OUT WITH OUR STUDDED WRISTBANDS ON AND OUR
All I want for Christmas is my British Steele Tour DVD! Yes!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
Toronto needs you again to BUT FIRST A REST AND THE NEW ALBUM (TOTAL RUSH OF POWER HEAVY MEEETTT TTTTAAAALLLLL BEAST)
sof ft. \m/ wrote:
METAL GODS GREECE NEEDS YOU AGAIN!!! YOU ARE OUR DEFENDERS OF FAITH ... METAL FAITH OFCOURSE \m/
[spapad] Friday, September 04, 2009 7:54:56 PM
All I want for Christmas is my British Steele Tour DVD! Yes! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, September 04, 2009 7:51:43 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
Toronto needs you again to BUT FIRST A REST AND THE NEW ALBUM (TOTAL RUSH OF POWER HEAVY MEEETTT TTTTAAAALLLLL BEAST)
sof ft. \m/ wrote:
METAL GODS GREECE NEEDS YOU AGAIN!!! YOU ARE OUR DEFENDERS OF FAITH ... METAL FAITH OFCOURSE \m/
[hellrider 31038] Friday, September 04, 2009 7:51:43 PM
Toronto needs you again to BUT FIRST A REST AND THE NEW ALBUM (TOTAL RUSH OF POWER HEAVY MEEETTT TTTTAAAALLLLL BEAST) [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by sof ft. \m/ from Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:28:42 AM)
sof ft. \m/ wrote:
METAL GODS GREECE NEEDS YOU AGAIN!!! YOU ARE OUR DEFENDERS OF FAITH ... METAL FAITH OFCOURSE \m/
[sof ft. \m/] Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:28:42 AM
METAL GODS GREECE NEEDS YOU AGAIN!!! YOU ARE OUR DEFENDERS OF FAITH ... METAL FAITH OFCOURSE \m/
[Soylentgreen4u] Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:20:46 AM
OFF TO MONTREAL LATER THIS AFTERNOON TO CATCH MOTORHEAD TONIGHT.....GONNA BE A KICK-ASS SHOW TO BE SURE....
[Vaillant 3.0] Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:05:54 PM
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HOLY FREAKIN' SHITE!!! THE METAL GODS ARE GOING TO BE IN CONCORD TOMORROW!!!!!!!!!!!
HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:25:34 PM
thank you very much again spapad i really appreciate it.yeah we all have our gifts.tore it up.whoa nasty.that hurts dont blame you for still having bad feelings.i would to.hey what kind of vest did you have in mind.a ALL GUNS BLAZING vest like my new one or earlyer priest like with the studs around the collar and lapel and around the pockets and some on the back and did you have a leather 1 in mind or denim [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:34:08 PM)
spapad wrote:
Your work shows you are a perfectionist! And Man! What a gift to do things so well! I'd trade you, a metal studed Jacket for a portrait of the Metal God, but the time you put into that, is far more than what I do! Incredible! The longest I have EVER spent on a project was my self portrait in college, which had to be life sized, and I took it very seriously. I spent 3 months on it if not more and the results were perfect. Shame it got destroyed. The guy who tore it up! He don't wanna meet me again, I assure you! LOL Might take me 3 months to beat his ass but I would invest the time! LMAO!! I still have bad feelings over that after 20 years! LOL(Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:18:32 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you so much spapad i really appreciate.i tend to be a perfectionist.if it is not just right it really bothers me and i dont feel good about it.
spapad wrote:
They are beautiful and I so appriciate the fact that you have those bad boy spikes lined up perfect! NOW THAT is attention to detail!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much spapad.yeah definatly worth it.1 of them.lol.i still have 2 others to finish off.lol.the leather one i started just before this one with the standard english(british steel) studs and i have a british steel denim vest to finish off.i have the entire back plastered on the denim vest and the collar studded just have to sew on the JUDAS PRIEST BRITISH STEEL PATCH.allthough i might end up plastering the front to.not sure yet..the standard english cone stud vest is about 3 quarters done.i took a break from it because i was not totally satisfied with how it was turning out.but i look at it now and it looks pretty good. definatly worth every bit of it
spapad wrote:
Hellrider, that's a beauty! All done now eh? Fantastic job! Bravo! I know how much time and patience that took, and it was worth every bit of it!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
and the back.what a massive job but definatly worth it.i used 1/2 cone studs on this vest.
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY METAL
Edited at: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:35:35 PM
[spapad] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:34:08 PM
Your work shows you are a perfectionist! And Man! What a gift to do things so well! I'd trade you, a metal studed Jacket for a portrait of the Metal God, but the time you put into that, is far more than what I do! Incredible! The longest I have EVER spent on a project was my self portrait in college, which had to be life sized, and I took it very seriously. I spent 3 months on it if not more and the results were perfect. Shame it got destroyed. The guy who tore it up! He don't wanna meet me again, I assure you! LOL Might take me 3 months to beat his ass but I would invest the time! LMAO!! I still have bad feelings over that after 20 years! LOL[Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:18:32 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you so much spapad i really appreciate.i tend to be a perfectionist.if it is not just right it really bothers me and i dont feel good about it.
spapad wrote:
They are beautiful and I so appriciate the fact that you have those bad boy spikes lined up perfect! NOW THAT is attention to detail!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much spapad.yeah definatly worth it.1 of them.lol.i still have 2 others to finish off.lol.the leather one i started just before this one with the standard english(british steel) studs and i have a british steel denim vest to finish off.i have the entire back plastered on the denim vest and the collar studded just have to sew on the JUDAS PRIEST BRITISH STEEL PATCH.allthough i might end up plastering the front to.not sure yet..the standard english cone stud vest is about 3 quarters done.i took a break from it because i was not totally satisfied with how it was turning out.but i look at it now and it looks pretty good. definatly worth every bit of it
spapad wrote:
Hellrider, that's a beauty! All done now eh? Fantastic job! Bravo! I know how much time and patience that took, and it was worth every bit of it!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
and the back.what a massive job but definatly worth it.i used 1/2 cone studs on this vest.
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY METAL
Edited at: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:35:35 PM
[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:30:47 PM
your welcome.yeah man for sure.i got to go to [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ron h from Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:29:25 PM)
ron h wrote:
Will definately check it out Gotta go...we'll talk more later Thanks
hellrider 31038 wrote:
http://studsandspikes.com/buy/studs-c-57.html here is where i got all my studs.you can get a used denim vest at a thrift shop if you dont mind second hand.ALLWAYS REMEMBER THIS DO NOT USE A KNIFE.TO MAKE HOLES .awesome man
ron h wrote:
Well, I have absolutely no idea where to begin. I think I'll start with denim seeing that you found it easier than leather, so that sounds like a perfect starting point...the canvas
Think I'll spend some time this weekend seeing what the different shops around town have to offer as far as tools and studs and the varieties. Maybe spend a little time net surfing to get some ideas before heading out
Will definately be in touch...thanks!!!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my pleasure ron.i actually have a few more but only showed you the one i made..i am really glad to here i inspirered you.thats totally awesome my friend. and the THE COOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDDEEEEEERRRRRRR J.D DIAMOND inspiered me to KICK IT UP A NOTCH.hey if you need some help or run into any problem or have any questions please dont hesitate to pm me.
DEFEND THE FAITH
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEEEETTTTTT TTTTTAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
ron h wrote:
HHHHHeeeeellllllllllrrrriiiidddddeeeerrrrrr!!!!!!!!! I think you've given me inspiration to try something new All of this looks awesome, man!!!! Thanks for the pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
hey ron i will get you a picture of that BRITISH STTTTEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL denim vest some time soon.its fuc?en amazing how much quicker and easier it is to stud denim.i studded pretty much the entire back on this denim vest except for around the very bottem i was thinking of putting pyramids studs all around the bottem like a belt not sure yet.and i did the collar in about 17 hours.i started on a thursday night and was finished on saturday afternoon.
ron h wrote:
Have you done other items as well?? If so, can you put up a pic(s)?? That would be so cool to get into!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much.took about 2 months.i aint the slightest idea how many hours i lost track long time ago
ron h wrote:
That kicks ass dude!! How long did it take?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell.
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[ron h] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:29:25 PM
Will definately check it out Gotta go...we'll talk more later Thanks [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:27:15 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
http://studsandspikes.com/buy/studs-c-57.html here is where i got all my studs.you can get a used denim vest at a thrift shop if you dont mind second hand.ALLWAYS REMEMBER THIS DO NOT USE A KNIFE.TO MAKE HOLES .awesome man
ron h wrote:
Well, I have absolutely no idea where to begin. I think I'll start with denim seeing that you found it easier than leather, so that sounds like a perfect starting point...the canvas
Think I'll spend some time this weekend seeing what the different shops around town have to offer as far as tools and studs and the varieties. Maybe spend a little time net surfing to get some ideas before heading out
Will definately be in touch...thanks!!!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my pleasure ron.i actually have a few more but only showed you the one i made..i am really glad to here i inspirered you.thats totally awesome my friend. and the THE COOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDDEEEEEERRRRRRR J.D DIAMOND inspiered me to KICK IT UP A NOTCH.hey if you need some help or run into any problem or have any questions please dont hesitate to pm me.
DEFEND THE FAITH
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEEEETTTTTT TTTTTAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
ron h wrote:
HHHHHeeeeellllllllllrrrriiiidddddeeeerrrrrr!!!!!!!!! I think you've given me inspiration to try something new All of this looks awesome, man!!!! Thanks for the pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
hey ron i will get you a picture of that BRITISH STTTTEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL denim vest some time soon.its fuc?en amazing how much quicker and easier it is to stud denim.i studded pretty much the entire back on this denim vest except for around the very bottem i was thinking of putting pyramids studs all around the bottem like a belt not sure yet.and i did the collar in about 17 hours.i started on a thursday night and was finished on saturday afternoon.
ron h wrote:
Have you done other items as well?? If so, can you put up a pic(s)?? That would be so cool to get into!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much.took about 2 months.i aint the slightest idea how many hours i lost track long time ago
ron h wrote:
That kicks ass dude!! How long did it take?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell.
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:27:15 PM
http://studsandspikes.com/buy/studs-c-57.html here is where i got all my studs.you can get a used denim vest at a thrift shop if you dont mind second hand.ALLWAYS REMEMBER THIS DO NOT USE A KNIFE.TO MAKE HOLES .awesome man [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ron h from Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:20:28 PM)
ron h wrote:
Well, I have absolutely no idea where to begin. I think I'll start with denim seeing that you found it easier than leather, so that sounds like a perfect starting point...the canvas
Think I'll spend some time this weekend seeing what the different shops around town have to offer as far as tools and studs and the varieties. Maybe spend a little time net surfing to get some ideas before heading out
Will definately be in touch...thanks!!!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my pleasure ron.i actually have a few more but only showed you the one i made..i am really glad to here i inspirered you.thats totally awesome my friend. and the THE COOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDDEEEEEERRRRRRR J.D DIAMOND inspiered me to KICK IT UP A NOTCH.hey if you need some help or run into any problem or have any questions please dont hesitate to pm me.
DEFEND THE FAITH
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEEEETTTTTT TTTTTAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
ron h wrote:
HHHHHeeeeellllllllllrrrriiiidddddeeeerrrrrr!!!!!!!!! I think you've given me inspiration to try something new All of this looks awesome, man!!!! Thanks for the pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
hey ron i will get you a picture of that BRITISH STTTTEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL denim vest some time soon.its fuc?en amazing how much quicker and easier it is to stud denim.i studded pretty much the entire back on this denim vest except for around the very bottem i was thinking of putting pyramids studs all around the bottem like a belt not sure yet.and i did the collar in about 17 hours.i started on a thursday night and was finished on saturday afternoon.
ron h wrote:
Have you done other items as well?? If so, can you put up a pic(s)?? That would be so cool to get into!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much.took about 2 months.i aint the slightest idea how many hours i lost track long time ago
ron h wrote:
That kicks ass dude!! How long did it take?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell.
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[ron h] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:20:28 PM
Well, I have absolutely no idea where to begin. I think I'll start with denim seeing that you found it easier than leather, so that sounds like a perfect starting point...the canvas
Think I'll spend some time this weekend seeing what the different shops around town have to offer as far as tools and studs and the varieties. Maybe spend a little time net surfing to get some ideas before heading out
Will definately be in touch...thanks!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:47:21 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my pleasure ron.i actually have a few more but only showed you the one i made..i am really glad to here i inspirered you.thats totally awesome my friend. and the THE COOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDDEEEEEERRRRRRR J.D DIAMOND inspiered me to KICK IT UP A NOTCH.hey if you need some help or run into any problem or have any questions please dont hesitate to pm me.
DEFEND THE FAITH
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEEEETTTTTT TTTTTAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
ron h wrote:
HHHHHeeeeellllllllllrrrriiiidddddeeeerrrrrr!!!!!!!!! I think you've given me inspiration to try something new All of this looks awesome, man!!!! Thanks for the pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
hey ron i will get you a picture of that BRITISH STTTTEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL denim vest some time soon.its fuc?en amazing how much quicker and easier it is to stud denim.i studded pretty much the entire back on this denim vest except for around the very bottem i was thinking of putting pyramids studs all around the bottem like a belt not sure yet.and i did the collar in about 17 hours.i started on a thursday night and was finished on saturday afternoon.
ron h wrote:
Have you done other items as well?? If so, can you put up a pic(s)?? That would be so cool to get into!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much.took about 2 months.i aint the slightest idea how many hours i lost track long time ago
ron h wrote:
That kicks ass dude!! How long did it take?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell.
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:18:32 PM
thank you so much spapad i really appreciate.i tend to be a perfectionist.if it is not just right it really bothers me and i dont feel good about it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:12:20 PM)
spapad wrote:
They are beautiful and I so appriciate the fact that you have those bad boy spikes lined up perfect! NOW THAT is attention to detail!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much spapad.yeah definatly worth it.1 of them.lol.i still have 2 others to finish off.lol.the leather one i started just before this one with the standard english(british steel) studs and i have a british steel denim vest to finish off.i have the entire back plastered on the denim vest and the collar studded just have to sew on the JUDAS PRIEST BRITISH STEEL PATCH.allthough i might end up plastering the front to.not sure yet..the standard english cone stud vest is about 3 quarters done.i took a break from it because i was not totally satisfied with how it was turning out.but i look at it now and it looks pretty good. definatly worth every bit of it
spapad wrote:
Hellrider, that's a beauty! All done now eh? Fantastic job! Bravo! I know how much time and patience that took, and it was worth every bit of it!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
and the back.what a massive job but definatly worth it.i used 1/2 cone studs on this vest.
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY METAL
[spapad] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:15:11 PM
All of these belong on the JP artwork page! So incredible! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:10:12 AM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
and here is another one that is just about finished
ron h wrote:
Have you done other items as well?? If so, can you put up a pic(s)?? That would be so cool to get into!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much.took about 2 months.i aint the slightest idea how many hours i lost track long time ago
ron h wrote:
That kicks ass dude!! How long did it take?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell.
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[spapad] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:12:20 PM
They are beautiful and I so appriciate the fact that you have those bad boy spikes lined up perfect! NOW THAT is attention to detail! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:43:30 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much spapad.yeah definatly worth it.1 of them.lol.i still have 2 others to finish off.lol.the leather one i started just before this one with the standard english(british steel) studs and i have a british steel denim vest to finish off.i have the entire back plastered on the denim vest and the collar studded just have to sew on the JUDAS PRIEST BRITISH STEEL PATCH.allthough i might end up plastering the front to.not sure yet..the standard english cone stud vest is about 3 quarters done.i took a break from it because i was not totally satisfied with how it was turning out.but i look at it now and it looks pretty good. definatly worth every bit of it
spapad wrote:
Hellrider, that's a beauty! All done now eh? Fantastic job! Bravo! I know how much time and patience that took, and it was worth every bit of it!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
and the back.what a massive job but definatly worth it.i used 1/2 cone studs on this vest.
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY METAL
[spapad] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:09:36 PM
Doy, I ment spikes, don't know why I said Pyramids! LOL [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:11:18 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
half inch cone studs spapad,no pyramids (Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:13:47 PM)
spapad wrote:
Half inch spikes dear! No pyramids involved!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
WOW!!!! That's alot of studs!!! Great job, Hellrider!!!!!
Are those spikes or pyramid studs?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
Edited at: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:11:56 PM
[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:48:39 PM
Wow Hellrider, those are all absolutely awesome!!!!!
[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:47:21 PM
my pleasure ron.i actually have a few more but only showed you the one i made..i am really glad to here i inspirered you.thats totally awesome my friend. and the THE COOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDDEEEEEERRRRRRR J.D DIAMOND inspiered me to KICK IT UP A NOTCH.hey if you need some help or run into any problem or have any questions please dont hesitate to pm me.
DEFEND THE FAITH
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEEEETTTTTT TTTTTAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
HHHHHeeeeellllllllllrrrriiiidddddeeeerrrrrr!!!!!!!!! I think you've given me inspiration to try something new All of this looks awesome, man!!!! Thanks for the pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
hey ron i will get you a picture of that BRITISH STTTTEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL denim vest some time soon.its fuc?en amazing how much quicker and easier it is to stud denim.i studded pretty much the entire back on this denim vest except for around the very bottem i was thinking of putting pyramids studs all around the bottem like a belt not sure yet.and i did the collar in about 17 hours.i started on a thursday night and was finished on saturday afternoon.
ron h wrote:
Have you done other items as well?? If so, can you put up a pic(s)?? That would be so cool to get into!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much.took about 2 months.i aint the slightest idea how many hours i lost track long time ago
ron h wrote:
That kicks ass dude!! How long did it take?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell.
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[Becks] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 4:34:45 AM
Wow Hellrider, those are all absolutely awesome!!!!!
[ron h] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 4:33:46 AM
HHHHHeeeeellllllllllrrrriiiidddddeeeerrrrrr!!!!!!!!! I think you've given me inspiration to try something new All of this looks awesome, man!!!! Thanks for the pics!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:24:18 AM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
hey ron i will get you a picture of that BRITISH STTTTEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL denim vest some time soon.its fuc?en amazing how much quicker and easier it is to stud denim.i studded pretty much the entire back on this denim vest except for around the very bottem i was thinking of putting pyramids studs all around the bottem like a belt not sure yet.and i did the collar in about 17 hours.i started on a thursday night and was finished on saturday afternoon.
ron h wrote:
Have you done other items as well?? If so, can you put up a pic(s)?? That would be so cool to get into!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much.took about 2 months.i aint the slightest idea how many hours i lost track long time ago
ron h wrote:
That kicks ass dude!! How long did it take?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell.
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:24:18 AM
hey ron i will get you a picture of that BRITISH STTTTEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL denim vest some time soon.its fuc?en amazing how much quicker and easier it is to stud denim.i studded pretty much the entire back on this denim vest except for around the very bottem i was thinking of putting pyramids studs all around the bottem like a belt not sure yet.and i did the collar in about 17 hours.i started on a thursday night and was finished on saturday afternoon.
Have you done other items as well?? If so, can you put up a pic(s)?? That would be so cool to get into!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much.took about 2 months.i aint the slightest idea how many hours i lost track long time ago
ron h wrote:
That kicks ass dude!! How long did it take?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell.
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:10:12 AM
and here is another one that is just about finished [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ron h from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:47:15 PM)
ron h wrote:
Have you done other items as well?? If so, can you put up a pic(s)?? That would be so cool to get into!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much.took about 2 months.i aint the slightest idea how many hours i lost track long time ago
ron h wrote:
That kicks ass dude!! How long did it take?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell.
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:07:12 AM
and here is another one not quite finished yet but looks pretty good [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ron h from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:47:15 PM)
ron h wrote:
Have you done other items as well?? If so, can you put up a pic(s)?? That would be so cool to get into!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much.took about 2 months.i aint the slightest idea how many hours i lost track long time ago
ron h wrote:
That kicks ass dude!! How long did it take?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell.
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:03:37 AM
Have you done other items as well?? If so, can you put up a pic(s)?? That would be so cool to get into!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much.took about 2 months.i aint the slightest idea how many hours i lost track long time ago
ron h wrote:
That kicks ass dude!! How long did it take?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell.
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
Edited at: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:05:03 AM
[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:56:07 PM
here is another one i did last year ron.approximatly 950 standard english cones( british steel) on the back ,collar and lapels [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ron h from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:47:15 PM)
ron h wrote:
Have you done other items as well?? If so, can you put up a pic(s)?? That would be so cool to get into!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much.took about 2 months.i aint the slightest idea how many hours i lost track long time ago
ron h wrote:
That kicks ass dude!! How long did it take?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell.
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:43:30 PM
thank you very much spapad.yeah definatly worth it.1 of them.lol.i still have 2 others to finish off.lol.the leather one i started just before this one with the standard english(british steel) studs and i have a british steel denim vest to finish off.i have the entire back plastered on the denim vest and the collar studded just have to sew on the JUDAS PRIEST BRITISH STEEL PATCH.allthough i might end up plastering the front to.not sure yet..the standard english cone stud vest is about 3 quarters done.i took a break from it because i was not totally satisfied with how it was turning out.but i look at it now and it looks pretty good. definatly worth every bit of it [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:54:37 PM)
spapad wrote:
Hellrider, that's a beauty! All done now eh? Fantastic job! Bravo! I know how much time and patience that took, and it was worth every bit of it!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
and the back.what a massive job but definatly worth it.i used 1/2 cone studs on this vest.
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY METAL
[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:24:43 PM
lol.thank you very much HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS.it took about 2 months to do.i would have to say at least a few hundred hours spent on it.took me aproximatly 10 hours just to sew the backpatch on lol. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:53:10 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Hellrider - that vest is ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!!! My jaw just hit the floor when I saw it! I can't even imagine how long it must have taken you - what a fantastic job you did on it!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
and the back.what a massive job but definatly worth it.i used 1/2 cone studs on this vest.
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY METAL
[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:18:48 PM
[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:16:51 PM
thank you very much vaillant.yeah alot of studs allright.im not sure how many are on it i should try counting them.probably end up losing count.lol.those are half ince cone studs [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:11:24 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
WOW!!!! That's alot of studs!!! Great job, Hellrider!!!!!
Are those spikes or pyramid studs?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:11:18 PM
half inch cone studs spapad,no pyramids [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:13:47 PM)
spapad wrote:
Half inch spikes dear! No pyramids involved!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
WOW!!!! That's alot of studs!!! Great job, Hellrider!!!!!
Are those spikes or pyramid studs?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
WOW!!!! That's alot of studs!!! Great job, Hellrider!!!!!
Are those spikes or pyramid studs?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[spapad] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:13:47 PM
Half inch spikes dear! No pyramids involved! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:11:24 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
WOW!!!! That's alot of studs!!! Great job, Hellrider!!!!!
Are those spikes or pyramid studs?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[Vaillant 3.0] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:11:24 PM
WOW!!!! That's alot of studs!!! Great job, Hellrider!!!!!
Are those spikes or pyramid studs? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:27:36 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[metalbiker21] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:55:50 PM
Crackin job dude!!!
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:53:10 PM
Hellrider - that vest is ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!!! My jaw just hit the floor when I saw it! I can't even imagine how long it must have taken you - what a fantastic job you did on it! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:31:58 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
and the back.what a massive job but definatly worth it.i used 1/2 cone studs on this vest.
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY METAL
[spapad] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:54:37 PM
Hellrider, that's a beauty! All done now eh? Fantastic job! Bravo! I know how much time and patience that took, and it was worth every bit of it! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:31:58 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
and the back.what a massive job but definatly worth it.i used 1/2 cone studs on this vest.
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY METAL
[ron h] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:47:15 PM
Have you done other items as well?? If so, can you put up a pic(s)?? That would be so cool to get into!!
thank you very much.took about 2 months.i aint the slightest idea how many hours i lost track long time ago
ron h wrote:
That kicks ass dude!! How long did it take?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell.
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:48:33 PM
and the back.what a massive job but definatly worth it.i used 1/2 cone studs on this vest.
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY METAL
[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:47:43 PM
thank you very much.took about 2 months.i aint the slightest idea how many hours i lost track long time ago [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ron h from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:41:20 PM)
ron h wrote:
That kicks ass dude!! How long did it take?
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell.
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[Becks] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:42:59 PM
That's awesome hellrider!!!! Wow! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:31:58 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
and the back.what a massive job but definatly worth it.i used 1/2 cone studs on this vest.
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY METAL
[ron h] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:41:20 PM
That kicks ass dude!! How long did it take? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:40:06 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell.
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:40:06 PM
yes i did .thank you very much ronhartsell. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:32:52 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest??
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[ron h] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:32:52 PM
Looks great man!!! Did you make that vest?? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:27:36 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:31:58 PM
and the back.what a massive job but definatly worth it.i used 1/2 cone studs on this vest.
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY METAL
[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:27:36 PM
my new JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTTT TTTTAAAAALLLLLL IN YOUR FACE VEST
i will try to get a better picture sometime my stuff is not working well.that little red spot on the upper right side is a priest logo patch
[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:44:32 PM
awesome man..yeah i ordered that studs and spikes shirt.we get a free METAL GOD ESSENTIALS WITH IT TO HEY.HELL YEAH.we will probably have our orders by the end of the month. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Sinner Rider from Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:11:40 AM)
Sinner Rider wrote:
I have..
actually I have a ton of things.. everything ships fast!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
so did anyone order anything from METAL GOD APPAREL
[MARK IN THE DARK] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:30:19 PM
green day kicked muther fuckin ass at m.s.g.last night .im a metal head not a punk rocker. but i have to admit. 1 of the best shows i have ever seen . if they come in your area its well worth goin to a show. i would not mind going again !
[Sinner Rider] Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:11:40 AM
I have..
actually I have a ton of things.. everything ships fast! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Monday, July 27, 2009 8:49:31 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
so did anyone order anything from METAL GOD APPAREL
