Dippity Doo...???? BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!! Oh MAN!!! Soy, apart from you, me and maybe guido, do you think anyone here even knows what that is??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!! TOO funny!!!

Anyway, NO NO NO NO NO!!!!! Wrong! WE are bigger! WE are badder and YOU stink!! Quiet or we will annex your silly country and let the French run it...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! Pass the moose meat, please! HAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!

OK, enough of this! I simply MUST get in the shower and then get  some warm milk and a glass of Ensure......nighty night!!

Dippity Doo...???? BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!! Oh MAN!!! Soy, apart from you, me and maybe guido, do you think anyone here even knows what that is??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!! TOO funny!!!

Anyway, NO NO NO NO NO!!!!! Wrong! WE are bigger! WE are badder and YOU stink!! Quiet or we will annex your silly country and let the French run it...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! Pass the moose meat, please! HAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!

OK, enough of this! I simply MUST get in the shower and then get  some warm milk and a glass of Ensure......nighty night!!

Dippity Doo...???? BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!! Oh MAN!!! Soy, apart from you, me and maybe guido, do you think anyone here even knows what that is??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!! TOO funny!!!

Anyway, NO NO NO NO NO!!!!! Wrong! WE are bigger! WE are badder and YOU stink!! Quiet or we will annex your silly country and let the French run it...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! Pass the moose meat, please! HAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!

OK, enough of this! I simply MUST get in the shower and then get  some warm milk and a glass of Ensure......nighty night!!

LOL I agree.... here here... court ajourned...  LOL

If all ours goverment would listen to us simple minded to the point people,, Maybe .. they could come up with solutions instead !!!    

LOL  Maybe we should all send our Goverments the Link to this site!!!!!!!!!!   To get a perspective from all of  Judas Priest fans...LOL  (  I mean we are all pretty smart now arent we)  LOL,,

Although .. we all would prob Be audited for the rest of our Lives !!!!!!!!!   Bahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....

MG~

		ronhartsell wrote:
		...you are absolutely correct...ya know, it wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit to slash military spending, bring everyone home (whether in conflict or not) and infuse the savings back into us...I don't even want to get going on the pharmacuticals, you wanna talk about an industry in need of reform???...this is definately one arena that I wish we could clean up, it is abusrd and perposterous...oh, we have our faults, no doubt about it, but I don't think we come close to cornering the market on it!!!...hey, here's a novel idea...why don't we all learn from each other??...all of our respective countries do something right...gee, what's the worse that could happen??      MG_Metalgoddess wrote: Yes I hear you, on the issues..   Agriculture, for some countries.. But the countries that the USA needs to stay on a even trading keel with doesnt need those services from them...  Such as Canada, and now china....  Medial research is paid for by the hard working people, in the USA..   And unfortunatley alot of money is wasted, with meaningless gifts, and right offs for doctors, when your health insurance could be more affordable.. for the middle class.. ( I worked in the medical field for 15 years) Here in Canada they do-not allow drug compies to advertise.. It is a medical decision for you and your docotor to discuss as in many other countries.. which  is why people can get their medications cheaper, than in the US. I do believe that nations should help one-another out.. ect.... For world peace sake if anything.. Money, food. ect.. But do-not ever sacrifice so much that your ownn people suffer, do to greed, and corporate driven enterprises.. MG~      ronhartsell wrote: Well, people are gonna feel how they feel...but I do take issue that America doesn't have anything to offer anymore... ...sure we do, just not in the old coventional ways... ...how about support and the many forms it comes in   -agriculture   -military/protection (how many foreign cities flourish because of  our installations, and the numbers of ppl that are employed??)   -$$ for medical research   -space programs   -advanced education (in all sorts of areas)   -technology ...this is a random list off the top of my head, but in reality there are so many more...and this list is nothing to sneeze at, we're talking global ramifications if these services were no longer provided...how many small countries would be under attack if we weren't 'Big Brother'??...YES, I do believe our military is (and has been) a marketable commodity...it's HUGE business!! ...but I, as an American, more than anything, want peace, a sense of brother/sisterhood among us all...where issues like these never become issues...I don't know if that will ever happen...but I hope...

Alot of the Technology jobs are outsourced, to forgien countries...

Edcation.. they sent my cousin to Cuba,,, Yes  CUBA.. to finish her masteres degree and write a full article, on their education system there.. because it is so much better than the USA's... wierd huh... who would have thought

Sacrifices,, I also meant as Teaching,,, Many schools have no money to continue on going important educational programs..  I have 5 school teachers in my family from MN, to New mexico,  And they are all horror stories, on the size of how big the classrooms have gotten, and the  How many students just getted pushed through the educatinal system now.. because the school dont have the money or resourses any more to help all the great minds we could have..

		MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
		Yes I hear you, on the issues..   Agriculture, for some countries.. But the countries that the USA needs to stay on a even trading keel with doesnt need those services from them...  Such as Canada, and now china....  Medial research is paid for by the hard working people, in the USA..   And unfortunatley alot of money is wasted, with meaningless gifts, and right offs for doctors, when your health insurance could be more affordable.. for the middle class.. ( I worked in the medical field for 15 years) Here in Canada they do-not allow drug compies to advertise.. It is a medical decision for you and your docotor to discuss as in many other countries.. which  is why people can get their medications cheaper, than in the US. I do believe that nations should help one-another out.. ect.... For world peace sake if anything.. Money, food. ect.. But do-not ever sacrifice so much that your ownn people suffer, do to greed, and corporate driven enterprises.. MG~      ronhartsell wrote: Well, people are gonna feel how they feel...but I do take issue that America doesn't have anything to offer anymore... ...sure we do, just not in the old coventional ways... ...how about support and the many forms it comes in   -agriculture   -military/protection (how many foreign cities flourish because of  our installations, and the numbers of ppl that are employed??)   -$$ for medical research   -space programs   -advanced education (in all sorts of areas)   -technology ...this is a random list off the top of my head, but in reality there are so many more...and this list is nothing to sneeze at, we're talking global ramifications if these services were no longer provided...how many small countries would be under attack if we weren't 'Big Brother'??...YES, I do believe our military is (and has been) a marketable commodity...it's HUGE business!! ...but I, as an American, more than anything, want peace, a sense of brother/sisterhood among us all...where issues like these never become issues...I don't know if that will ever happen...but I hope...

Yes I hear you, on the issues..   Agriculture, for some countries.. But the countries that the USA needs to stay on a even trading keel with doesnt need those services from them...  Such as Canada, and now china.... 

Medial research is paid for by the hard working people, in the USA..   And unfortunatley alot of money is wasted, with meaningless gifts, and right offs for doctors, when your health insurance could be more affordable.. for the middle class.. ( I worked in the medical field for 15 years)

Here in Canada they do-not allow drug compies to advertise.. It is a medical decision for you and your docotor to discuss as in many other countries.. which  is why people can get their medications cheaper, than in the US.

I do believe that nations should help one-another out.. ect.... For world peace sake if anything.. Money, food. ect..

But do-not ever sacrifice so much that your ownn people suffer, do to greed, and corporate driven enterprises..

MG~

		ronhartsell wrote:
		Well, people are gonna feel how they feel...but I do take issue that America doesn't have anything to offer anymore... ...sure we do, just not in the old coventional ways... ...how about support and the many forms it comes in   -agriculture   -military/protection (how many foreign cities flourish because of  our installations, and the numbers of ppl that are employed??)   -$$ for medical research   -space programs   -advanced education (in all sorts of areas)   -technology ...this is a random list off the top of my head, but in reality there are so many more...and this list is nothing to sneeze at, we're talking global ramifications if these services were no longer provided...how many small countries would be under attack if we weren't 'Big Brother'??...YES, I do believe our military is (and has been) a marketable commodity...it's HUGE business!! ...but I, as an American, more than anything, want peace, a sense of brother/sisterhood among us all...where issues like these never become issues...I don't know if that will ever happen...but I hope...

Yes I hear you, on the issues..   Agriculture, for some countries.. But the countries that the USA needs to stay on a even trading keel with doesnt need those services from them...  Such as Canada, and now china.... 

Medial research is paid for by the hard working people, in the USA..   And unfortunatley alot of money is wasted, with meaningless gifts, and right offs for doctors, when your health insurance could be more affordable.. for the middle class.. ( I worked in the medical field for 15 years)

Here in Canada they do-not allow drug compies to advertise.. It is a medical decision for you and your docotor to discuss as in many other countries.. which  is why people can get their medications cheaper, than in the US.

I do believe that nations should help one-another out.. ect.... For world peace sake if anything.. Money, food. ect..

But do-not ever sacrifice so much that your ownn people suffer, do to greed, and corporate driven enterprises..

MG~

		ronhartsell wrote:
		Well, people are gonna feel how they feel...but I do take issue that America doesn't have anything to offer anymore... ...sure we do, just not in the old coventional ways... ...how about support and the many forms it comes in   -agriculture   -military/protection (how many foreign cities flourish because of  our installations, and the numbers of ppl that are employed??)   -$$ for medical research   -space programs   -advanced education (in all sorts of areas)   -technology ...this is a random list off the top of my head, but in reality there are so many more...and this list is nothing to sneeze at, we're talking global ramifications if these services were no longer provided...how many small countries would be under attack if we weren't 'Big Brother'??...YES, I do believe our military is (and has been) a marketable commodity...it's HUGE business!! ...but I, as an American, more than anything, want peace, a sense of brother/sisterhood among us all...where issues like these never become issues...I don't know if that will ever happen...but I hope...

OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...

I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!

America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!!  We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!!  I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE!    So there.

Ok I thought of not saying nothing at all about your comments Freeze but I couldn't help it....

"We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!!  We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people" .... "This country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty"ok then why are you Venezuela's main oil buyer?.... and btw why did USA started the war against Iraq if you had plenty of it? ....oh right.... to remove Saddam Husein from the government and give freedom to the Iraq people??? Yes, that's right they sure live much better now... yep, no way I'll buy that...

I have to make this clear I'm not an "american hater" as you say, if you don't like it's foreign policy doesn't mean that you hate american people or it's culture or nothing like that ok?

And Freeze before saying anything about it coulld you explain me this?" America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact" charuty? You're really refering to that?

		Deep Freeze wrote:
		HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine. I do not refer to you personally as a "hater".  In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either. As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK. As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry) As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.    (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)   _strat_ wrote:   Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion). I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America. What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly. Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it. forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it. Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods. And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world? And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there. Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do. In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.      Deep Freeze wrote:   OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled... I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!! America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!!  We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!!  I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE!    So there. Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:09:30 PM Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:15:31 PM

OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...

I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!

America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!!  We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!!  I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE!    So there.

OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...

I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!

America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!!  We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!!  I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE!    So there.

OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...

I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!

America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!!  We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!!  I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE!    So there.

OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...

I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!

America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!!  We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!!  I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE!    So there.

Yeah, thats pretty much it. Mindless nationalism and religious extremism at its best.

I guess that the creation of Israel back in 1947 was the original sinn... But that was long ago, letting it get destroyed today wont set that wrong aright.

		Head banger wrote:
		sure blame is plentifull, solutions not so.   the problem with one side eliminating the other is both can be replenished from kids overseas.      _strat_ wrote: Well, Hamas are freaks, that is true, but Israel cannot be completely absolved of guilt either. Gaza has been a prison for 1,5 million Palestinians for decades, and even in the best of times they had shortages of basic neccesities. Not to mention that Israels army is one of the most technologicaly advanced in the world. Im sure that if they would give a shit they wouldnt cause so many civilian casualties. Infact, they may deliberatly be causing so much, to scare Hamas into submission. In any case, I think that the only solution would be to physicaly separate them. A NATO or an UN mission, whatever, with serious numbers, weapons and authorisation, that would keep them apart for long enugh (which would be decades) to cool them off. Failing that, pull everything out, and wait till one side eliminates the other.      Head banger wrote: this shit will keep going on, untill either the world ends, all sids give up religion, or isreal moves and colonizes a new star system. I see no hope, the hamas terorists will keep this up, and dont care if they or the kids they hide behind die.  Isreal will fight back. it goes on.  if, anyone was serious about a ceasefire that was meaningfull, they could agree to share that area, but the hate runs too deep.