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[Justin Kenny] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:50:09 PM

Yow....

Godspeed 'Black Widow...' Godspeed...
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[Head banger] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:41:09 AM

Necro, best wishes to your wife.
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[Deep Freeze] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:22:04 AM

I am so sorry to hear that, my friend. My deepest sympathy. I know exactly what you mean about sickness and hospitals. When the Princess was put in, I thought I would literally die. I was terrified. I hate hospitals anyway but, when a loved one is sick, there is no greater fear.

My very, very best to her ladyship. Please pass it along.
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[Necroticist] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:05:22 AM

TY - will try not to stray fer so long again - but i was ill fer a few days...then her ladyship got ill...am worried, Doc says if no better by Thursday = hospital. (She has chronic bronchitis on top of chronic asthma?COPD) Not a nice combination..She's like me tho...unbeatable..i KNOW she'll get thro it. Another reason fer quiets is cos of son...his granpa passed away (ex's dad)...i let him have all the time on here he wanted. Ain't life fun...??
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[Deep Freeze] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:05:56 AM

Welcome home, my friend!!
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[Necroticist] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:04:00 AM

Hi MetalHeads - finally feel better so will post more...hope u all been ok - er...wassup with Jethro Tull? LMAO - i know...ain't really a 'rock' band...but still good - i love em at least as much as JP...but wtf do 'awards' matter anyway...u know what's in ya heart..fook the mainstream \m/

[Deep Freeze] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:54:52 AM

Strat! You are killing me!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look, I suppose that, if you really dig, you can find something "special" about almost anything. In music, I suppose you could make a case for banging two bones together. Would I start handing out awards for doing so? Doubtful. However, if there were to suddenly be a huge public following for a group called..say, "Ook and the Ug Ugs", and they had a new hit "song" called Screaming for Mammoth and became world famous for their "searing" dual-bone leads", I guess I would have to say you have something there. I am sure the public would slobber all over that CD.

My point regarding "DJs" has more to do with the act of playing records becoming an "art" than it does whatever skill they may..or may NOT, possess. At the end of the day, it is still just playing records. It is not being a musician. As a younger person, perhaps you are far more knowledgable in this than me? Could be. I have seen it on TV...just like NASCAR..HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (tip of the hat to Tom and 'Days of Thunder') In any event, whether or not I appreciate it, it appears that there are those that will follow it..much like our caveman band I mentioned previously. I do not have to "appreciate" it.

I stand by my previous post. The world of music is far from talented in so much as musicianship these days. Having said this, I readily admit that there are some incredible musicians still out there. It's just that the "talent pool" has been watered down courtesy of a public that likes....cave songs.

Now then, who took my hair??........HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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_strat_ wrote:

Lol, Freeze.... What would you do without me? Ok, topics aside, what of talent, writing, singing, musicianship... IDK, many people dont see anything special in the music we listen to. Many people who like those DJs cant appreciate a good guitar solo. Maybe they dont know how to appreciate it? Does that make the virtuoso guitarists that play heavy metal any less good? On the other hand, does the lack of our appreciation fot the DJs make them any less good than they are? What if we arent able to appreciate what they do? There certainly is something to that music. They are not just "putting the records on the turntable and pressing buttons". There is, as in any music a certain amount of skill involved.

		Deep Freeze wrote:

		Arrrggghh! OK, once again, I will explain myself. (I seem to do that a lot around here) My comment regarding substance had nothing to do with drugs, love songs or any other particular topic!! Ye GODS!! I was referring to the lack of ability, musicianship and/or talent required to "write" and "sing" such drivel. And moreso when it comes to what passes for Pop/Hip Hop "music". As I have said countless times, the ability to rhyme a series of words in sequence and jump up and down to a "beat" (most often furnished by a recorded sound and NOT a musician) does NOT make one an "artist", much less a "musician"!!!!!! Further more, just when did it become an "art" to play a record??? I have seen multiple "artists" that claim to be "famous" DJ's. SO FRIGGIN WHAT??!?!?!? "Oh! Look at me!! I can put a record on a turntable and play it!! WOW!!! I am talented and a musician now!!" HUH??????? I have complained so many times about the lack of real musical talent in the world and it seems to get worse every year. Musicianship, to me, is actually being able to write music, play an instrument or sing on key! Putting a record on a mechanical device and pushing a button is NOT musicianship!! I did as much in my room at 10 years of age!! Had I any clue then that I was a pioneering artist, I should think I would have grabbed my record player and made my first million!! Little did I know that the NIMRODS we refer to as the "public" were going to be amazed by such a craft! I missed out on the "pet rock", too.

[Justin Kenny] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:29:55 AM

Precisely....just like Rob said in the "Seven Stages (Ages?) Of Rock" series...."....I don't wanna play 'safe music....'" and when anyone looks back throughout Priest's career, it's fair to say they ALL stayed true to that mantra. Even with the two albums Priest made that they seem to catch the most "heat" for (Point of Entry & Turbo)...there's a lot to be said for the styles those two albums have. Apart from that, it's also fair to say that Priest were also (perhaps) indirectly influenced by sounds and styles of other bands....whether they listened to those bands during their off periods, or caught onto something from a band they toured with, some of that may have rubbed off on them through the years...for which, I have no issue with. After all, Priest were always able to keep a signature sound and approach, no matter how intense or melodic the songs they created. To whatever degree some of those potential influences may have had, they ALWAYS made it their own, never forgetting or forsaking their original approaches or intentions.
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Head banger wrote:

of course, your right, their progression and changes make them what we love today. even if we dont love a particular album, they on the whole produce the best music out there. and they never seem to play it safe.

Justin Kenny wrote:

I think it's fair to say Priest may have 'dabbled' in the commercial 'pool,'   in the name of keeping their name relevant....as KK himself put it (regarding the radical direction of "Turbo"),   "...we figure, if Dokken and Twisted Sister could do it, why not Priest?"      And while "Turbo" DID in fact open the doors to many who might not have otherwise given Priest half a chance, it also served to (somewhat) alienate those fans who were expecting the more straight-forward, heavy-hitting style Priest evidenced by "Defenders...."     But I think some of these 'yo-yo'-esque dabbles were done without much compromise....Priest never gave off the idea that anyone in their record company ever sat them down and pushed the idea of putting forth a more "radio-friendly" album....the only time Columbia   "..got on them"   was when they snubbed the idea of using Roger Glover to produce   "Sin After Sin."      Once they realized they'd get more done with him than without him (at the company's urging)...they back-pedaled on their decision and squired him to man the board after all.     Beyond that, Priest (I think) have been largely left to their own devices...creatively speaking.      They could've easily made more commercial sounding albums after "Turbo..."   but they are, at their core...a HEAVY METAL band...which is why "Ram It Down"   sounded heavier than "Turbo,"   and why   "Painkiller" sounded heavier than the previous 2 efforts combined.

They could've also easily told Curbishley to go shit in a hat for suggesting a concept album about Nostradamus.     But all it WAS...was an idea.....once it swam in their minds for a spell, they realized there was a lotta potential to take that idea, bring it to life, and make something great come of it....and that they did...I don't care who says what about it.     After all....I didn't rightly expect EVERY Priest fan in existence to love this one....let's face it....historically, fans have always had varying opinions from one Priest release to the next....the fact they explore so many possible territories musically and keep it within the metal 'realm' is probably what drives some Priest fans outta their ever-lovin' minds.     And maybe...JUST maybe...the industry itself doesn't quite know what to think/make of Judas Priest for the same reasons....wanna know what else??    I don't CARE what the industry thinks....and neither do Priest....they make music for THEMSELVES first....it's gotta please THEM first...and if they were AT ALL displeased or ill at odds about "Nostradamus"   upon its completion or at any time during the creative process...it'd have never seen the light of day.

For that matter...the same could be said for everything else they released...it's all about progression....it's all about what THEY feel magnifies their best achievements effort for effort.      I, for one...couldn't be any more proud to be a fan of this band!!!

Head banger wrote:

but, how do we know they are doing what they want? Turbo, was that a sell out? lots say so, I like it, but who am I. AOR was awesome, yet sold squat. is nost a gimick to sell more?
do they want to sell more? are they doing what they want, or what the industry wants? is selling out what they want? could they do some comercial crap? probably, but no one would buy it. they are known for doing what they do, not for "popular (read music lots of people like) music"

paorcamp wrote:

I see your point...I got it...but priest(after rob's return) kept doing whatever they wanted...you can see it with the last two albums....of course a band needs to sell their products...otherwise they would be unknown...and we fans would be disapointed and furious if we couldn't get their music....guitars and other stuff are not for free and they also need to eat...but metallica changed to a comercial band,they lost their identity...they lost that thing that made us like their music...and of course they turned their back to their real fans...on the other hand priest keeps trying new things, and nostradamus is a piece of evidence...for those who like it(i like it) and for those who don't

Deep Freeze wrote:

I see. Well pao, win or lose, like or dislike, it is still about selling and making money. I admire your allegiance to Metal. I really do. Unfortunately, marketing and sales is what this whole show was about. Now then, on to your other post;

It is interesting that you would put it this way. ....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band.... As much as our dear friend Mr. Uno may take exception to what I am going to say, isn't that what Priest did with Ripper? They wanted to stay commercially viable and turned from what made them who they are/were. Jugulator is a great example. Not "Priest" sounding at all, as far as I am concerned. Very much like the grinding, crunchy "Nu-Metal" sound that is more commercial and sells more. They were trying to keep the cash coming in. Trying to remain relevant in the face of a HUGE change.

Of course, there are some that may point to Rob's return as a commercial gimmick. I can accept that. Say what you will but Priest, as with any other act, want to sell their records. That is what they do. It is how they make a living. For me, and most fans of the Band, Rob is what makes Priest. He is THE voice so I do not view his return as previously mentioned but I can see where some might make that connection. Anyway, it all comes down to selling the product. I don't think that Judas Priest are in a position at this stage of their career where they really need money..I mean gazillions. They certainly enjoy a comfortable lifestyle, I'm sure. I think Nostradamus is a good example of that. They did something they wanted to do, whether or not it is a commercial success. And I do not mean to insinuate that I do not like the album, because I do like it. I just believe that the Band has gone beyond the need for commercialism and so things like the Grammy award are nice but they won't really affect the Band's future.

paorcamp wrote:

NOOOO....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band....I won't give credit to a group who prefered fame and fortune over the real escence of music...sorry...but I can't...that's not selling more cd's by hardworking...that's selling more cd's because they left their roots and their true personality to do what the industry wants them to do...and that's something a real band would never do!!...that's not what made metallica famous...now they became shitallica...Who's the master of puppets now???huh???not you metallica...that's for sure!!! (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 11:40:39 AM)
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:52:51 PM

[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:22:40 AM

Personally, I don't care about the Grammy's. Stupid populist awards show full of plastic people and celluloid heroes.
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[ron h] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:16:35 AM

...I probably have it backwards then...I should, via an ignorant group of voters, hope they never win...I think, in a weird way, I do that already!!
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[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:59:58 AM

I forget who it was, but someone posted yesterday that (and I am paraphrasing here) the people who vote the winners and hell who draw the nominees have no business doing so, because they know absolutely nothing about the musical genres we prefer.
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[ron h] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:54:04 AM

I know DP...it's not like I get physically ill or anything...I guess it's just their general lack of respect or understanding of the genre itself...it's not like I'm not used to it by now...but there was a guy (well, a lot of the entertainers that night that had won that I had never even heard of before) but this guy had 14 Grammy's...and I still don't remember his name!!! It's like a sports league expansion...the talent is so dilluted...it's mind numbing...that's all!!
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[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:39:42 AM

C'mon Ron! Aside from Def Leppard, Whitesnake and (ick) Jethro Tull, name one other British Hard Rock/Metal act that won shit at the Grammy's since they added those categories? Here's your answer: NONE!
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[_strat_] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:38:12 AM

Nope. Still dont get it. Nevermind, anyway - maybe its better that I dont.

In any case, Freeze really needs me - to keep him in line. I almost got him to swear a couple of times! Imagine what would it be like if there was no more... me?
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Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:

He wouldn't need the cat stealing his hair! I thought that was obvious....my bad.

_strat_ wrote:

? What wouldnt he need? The hair? The cat?

Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:

LOL...What would Freeze do without you, Strat? For starters, he probably wouldn't need this:

_strat_ wrote:

		Deep Freeze wrote:

		Arrrggghh! OK, once again, I will explain myself. (I seem to do that a lot around here) My comment regarding substance had nothing to do with drugs, love songs or any other particular topic!! Ye GODS!! I was referring to the lack of ability, musicianship and/or talent required to "write" and "sing" such drivel. And moreso when it comes to what passes for Pop/Hip Hop "music". As I have said countless times, the ability to rhyme a series of words in sequence and jump up and down to a "beat" (most often furnished by a recorded sound and NOT a musician) does NOT make one an "artist", much less a "musician"!!!!!! Further more, just when did it become an "art" to play a record??? I have seen multiple "artists" that claim to be "famous" DJ's. SO FRIGGIN WHAT??!?!?!? "Oh! Look at me!! I can put a record on a turntable and play it!! WOW!!! I am talented and a musician now!!" HUH??????? I have complained so many times about the lack of real musical talent in the world and it seems to get worse every year. Musicianship, to me, is actually being able to write music, play an instrument or sing on key! Putting a record on a mechanical device and pushing a button is NOT musicianship!! I did as much in my room at 10 years of age!! Had I any clue then that I was a pioneering artist, I should think I would have grabbed my record player and made my first million!! Little did I know that the NIMRODS we refer to as the "public" were going to be amazed by such a craft! I missed out on the "pet rock", too.

[ron h] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:37:39 AM

...it doesn't really bother me so much that they didn't win...what does bother me is that in the eyes of the industry, and those that have voted over the years, is that they have never won anything...I mean, even the bands that have sold more don't expect to win with every release, but 51 years of Grammy voting and 30+ years of nothing??...

[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:36:00 AM

He wouldn't need the cat stealing his hair! I thought that was obvious....my bad.

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_strat_ wrote:

? What wouldnt he need? The hair? The cat?

Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:

LOL...What would Freeze do without you, Strat? For starters, he probably wouldn't need this:

_strat_ wrote:

		Deep Freeze wrote:

		Arrrggghh! OK, once again, I will explain myself. (I seem to do that a lot around here) My comment regarding substance had nothing to do with drugs, love songs or any other particular topic!! Ye GODS!! I was referring to the lack of ability, musicianship and/or talent required to "write" and "sing" such drivel. And moreso when it comes to what passes for Pop/Hip Hop "music". As I have said countless times, the ability to rhyme a series of words in sequence and jump up and down to a "beat" (most often furnished by a recorded sound and NOT a musician) does NOT make one an "artist", much less a "musician"!!!!!! Further more, just when did it become an "art" to play a record??? I have seen multiple "artists" that claim to be "famous" DJ's. SO FRIGGIN WHAT??!?!?!? "Oh! Look at me!! I can put a record on a turntable and play it!! WOW!!! I am talented and a musician now!!" HUH??????? I have complained so many times about the lack of real musical talent in the world and it seems to get worse every year. Musicianship, to me, is actually being able to write music, play an instrument or sing on key! Putting a record on a mechanical device and pushing a button is NOT musicianship!! I did as much in my room at 10 years of age!! Had I any clue then that I was a pioneering artist, I should think I would have grabbed my record player and made my first million!! Little did I know that the NIMRODS we refer to as the "public" were going to be amazed by such a craft! I missed out on the "pet rock", too.

[_strat_] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:28:28 AM

? What wouldnt he need? The hair? The cat?
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Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:

LOL...What would Freeze do without you, Strat? For starters, he probably wouldn't need this:

_strat_ wrote:

		Deep Freeze wrote:

		Arrrggghh! OK, once again, I will explain myself. (I seem to do that a lot around here) My comment regarding substance had nothing to do with drugs, love songs or any other particular topic!! Ye GODS!! I was referring to the lack of ability, musicianship and/or talent required to "write" and "sing" such drivel. And moreso when it comes to what passes for Pop/Hip Hop "music". As I have said countless times, the ability to rhyme a series of words in sequence and jump up and down to a "beat" (most often furnished by a recorded sound and NOT a musician) does NOT make one an "artist", much less a "musician"!!!!!! Further more, just when did it become an "art" to play a record??? I have seen multiple "artists" that claim to be "famous" DJ's. SO FRIGGIN WHAT??!?!?!? "Oh! Look at me!! I can put a record on a turntable and play it!! WOW!!! I am talented and a musician now!!" HUH??????? I have complained so many times about the lack of real musical talent in the world and it seems to get worse every year. Musicianship, to me, is actually being able to write music, play an instrument or sing on key! Putting a record on a mechanical device and pushing a button is NOT musicianship!! I did as much in my room at 10 years of age!! Had I any clue then that I was a pioneering artist, I should think I would have grabbed my record player and made my first million!! Little did I know that the NIMRODS we refer to as the "public" were going to be amazed by such a craft! I missed out on the "pet rock", too.

[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:25:20 AM

LOL...What would Freeze do without you, Strat? For starters, he probably wouldn't need this:

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_strat_ wrote:

		Deep Freeze wrote:

		Arrrggghh! OK, once again, I will explain myself. (I seem to do that a lot around here) My comment regarding substance had nothing to do with drugs, love songs or any other particular topic!! Ye GODS!! I was referring to the lack of ability, musicianship and/or talent required to "write" and "sing" such drivel. And moreso when it comes to what passes for Pop/Hip Hop "music". As I have said countless times, the ability to rhyme a series of words in sequence and jump up and down to a "beat" (most often furnished by a recorded sound and NOT a musician) does NOT make one an "artist", much less a "musician"!!!!!! Further more, just when did it become an "art" to play a record??? I have seen multiple "artists" that claim to be "famous" DJ's. SO FRIGGIN WHAT??!?!?!? "Oh! Look at me!! I can put a record on a turntable and play it!! WOW!!! I am talented and a musician now!!" HUH??????? I have complained so many times about the lack of real musical talent in the world and it seems to get worse every year. Musicianship, to me, is actually being able to write music, play an instrument or sing on key! Putting a record on a mechanical device and pushing a button is NOT musicianship!! I did as much in my room at 10 years of age!! Had I any clue then that I was a pioneering artist, I should think I would have grabbed my record player and made my first million!! Little did I know that the NIMRODS we refer to as the "public" were going to be amazed by such a craft! I missed out on the "pet rock", too.

[_strat_] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:39:09 AM

[Necroticist] Monday, February 09, 2009 7:26:08 PM

hey blah ppl - soz i ain't posted fer a bit..been hectic times..so much to do and so little time to do it - long story - wishing u all well and will chat more when i can

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