[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:00:29 AM
Judge what,if old Iron Maiden is any good? Hell yeah the old Maiden, just the band's first 5 albums in the early 80's only and no other albums are top quality classic British Heavy Metal ontop of thier game "big time" and I can see even if people think these 5 albums are better than "any" Saxon era ( while I still think that Lionheart and The Inner Sanctum are equal to Piece Of mind and Powerslave ) but man as I love to keep saying try and compare the two bands these last 15 years and Iron Maiden is such a freaking disappointment and such a display of "boring progressive bullshit crap song writting" while Saxon has cranked out 8 studio albums of top quality british heavy metal/rock.
Outside the internet I've asked "TONS" and "TONS" of metal fans if they like Maiden these last 20 years and honestly none of them do but always just say "thier concerts are cool though". Maiden and Metallica just ride off thier 80's albums and will never be able to capture a new studio LP that old school vibe and its sad. Also these same "tons" of metal fans that I've asked......none of them new who Saxon was HAHAHA!
[hellrider 31038] Friday, August 19, 2011 9:47:10 PM
IRON ANGEL SMOKE BOTH THESE BANDS TOGETHER
[Brian_Evans] Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:03:06 PM
Hehehehehehe...hahahahaha!!!
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:59:08 AM
Fuckin totally Becks! Man in the 80's Maiden were so much better than Saxon it wasn't even a comparison in my opinion. Then in 1995 ....BAM! The tables turned and ever since Saxon has been kicking the living SHIT out of the watered down boring overrated progressive folk/rock band that is sadly now "Iron Maiden". Maiden is a fuckin "JOKE" compared to Saxon these days.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:56:16 AM)
Becks wrote:
That song kicks ass JD! Saxon rules!!!!!!!!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
SAXON - AFTERBURNER Show me a track from Iron Maiden in the last 20 years as powerful as this lol!
This smokes Iron Maiden!
(Quoting Message by catwood from Monday, August 15, 2011 9:10:15 PM)
catwood wrote:
iron maiden would shut em down quicker than a cat can lick its ass
Here's 250,000 metalheads that disagree with your invalid argument. lol
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Saxon in the 1980's were nowhere near the greatness of Iron Maiden and Judas Priest,nowhere near as you couldn't even compare Saxon to either band and the image Saxon had was a mear joke,with mediocre albums that couldn't match up to Piece Of Mind,Number Of The Beast,Powerslave,Defenders Of The Faith ect....
But that changed in 1995 when Saxon released the Dogs Of War LP and ever since they have put out so much better albums than Maiden has.Now in my opinion you can't even begin to compare Iron Maiden to the greatness of Saxon and its been like this for 16 years now. Edited at: Thursday, July 28, 2011 5:21:35 PM
[Brian_Evans] Saturday, July 30, 2011 11:13:07 AM
Here's 250,000 metalheads that disagree with your invalid argument. lol
Saxon in the 1980's were nowhere near the greatness of Iron Maiden and Judas Priest,nowhere near as you couldn't even compare Saxon to either band and the image Saxon had was a mear joke,with mediocre albums that couldn't match up to Piece Of Mind,Number Of The Beast,Powerslave,Defenders Of The Faith ect....
But that changed in 1995 when Saxon released the Dogs Of War LP and ever since they have put out so much better albums than Maiden has.Now in my opinion you can't even begin to compare Iron Maiden to the greatness of Saxon and its been like this for 16 years now. Edited at: Thursday, July 28, 2011 5:21:35 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, July 28, 2011 5:21:19 PM
Saxon in the 1980's were nowhere near the greatness of Iron Maiden and Judas Priest,nowhere near as you couldn't even compare Saxon to either band and the image Saxon had was a mear joke,with mediocre albums that couldn't match up to Piece Of Mind,Number Of The Beast,Powerslave,Defenders Of The Faith ect....
But that changed in 1995 when Saxon released the Dogs Of War LP and ever since they have put out so much better albums than Maiden has.Now in my opinion you can't even begin to compare Iron Maiden to the greatness of Saxon and its been like this for 16 years now. Edited at: Thursday, July 28, 2011 5:21:35 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:38:02 PM
At least you didn't post Quest For Fire,thats the only stupid shit song on Piece Of Mind but I guess its only a matter of time till you post it since you actually like every single Iron Maiden song there is.
Oh wow, they translated the poem to modern english. Not too hard to do. There's no creation there, only interpretation. Not trying to stomp on you but it's true. That song came from the 1700's and I like it. Some kids would never know literature if not for Bruce. But they did not write it.
You do know that they actually wrote a good chunk of the song don't you? They took exerpts from the Coolridge's poem and used them as lyrics, but a lot of the song was their musical adaptation of the poem. If you don't believe me then look up the poem and then look up the song.
spapad wrote:
You do know that Iron Maiden did NOT write Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner don't you? Samuel Taylor Coolridge did back in the late 1700's.
fernando001 wrote:
Are you kidding me? Maiden hands down easily by a mile!!! Saxon is great but they could never write a song as epic as the Rime of the Ancient Mariner or pull off a chorus with as much power as the one in Cought Somewhere in Time. I'd also take Maiden's new material, but that's just me :P
Edited at: Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:38:14 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:21:07 PM
Too bad they haven't been able to write anything close to worth a shit like it since.
You do know that they actually wrote a good chunk of the song don't you? They took exerpts from the Coolridge's poem and used them as lyrics, but a lot of the song was their musical adaptation of the poem. If you don't believe me then look up the poem and then look up the song.
spapad wrote:
You do know that Iron Maiden did NOT write Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner don't you? Samuel Taylor Coolridge did back in the late 1700's.
fernando001 wrote:
Are you kidding me? Maiden hands down easily by a mile!!! Saxon is great but they could never write a song as epic as the Rime of the Ancient Mariner or pull off a chorus with as much power as the one in Cought Somewhere in Time. I'd also take Maiden's new material, but that's just me :P
[fernando001] Friday, July 22, 2011 11:16:54 PM
You do know that they actually wrote a good chunk of the song don't you? They took exerpts from the Coolridge's poem and used them as lyrics, but a lot of the song was their musical adaptation of the poem. If you don't believe me then look up the poem and then look up the song.
You do know that Iron Maiden did NOT write Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner don't you? Samuel Taylor Coolridge did back in the late 1700's.
fernando001 wrote:
Are you kidding me? Maiden hands down easily by a mile!!! Saxon is great but they could never write a song as epic as the Rime of the Ancient Mariner or pull off a chorus with as much power as the one in Cought Somewhere in Time. I'd also take Maiden's new material, but that's just me :P
Are you kidding me? Maiden hands down easily by a mile!!! Saxon is great but they could never write a song as epic as the Rime of the Ancient Mariner or pull off a chorus with as much power as the one in Cought Somewhere in Time. I'd also take Maiden's new material, but that's just me :P
[Ears from Outer Space] Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:20:38 PM
[spapad] Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:17:05 PM
You do know that Iron Maiden did NOT write Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner don't you? Samuel Taylor Coolridge did back in the late 1700's.
Are you kidding me? Maiden hands down easily by a mile!!! Saxon is great but they could never write a song as epic as the Rime of the Ancient Mariner or pull off a chorus with as much power as the one in Cought Somewhere in Time. I'd also take Maiden's new material, but that's just me :P
[heimda11] Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:52:01 AM
Maiden of course is timeless, universal, transcendent (my fav probably Die With Your Boots On). What awesome names for metal bands though: Iron Maiden and Saxon. Makes me want to touch myself. (Hope that isn't too crude for the Judas Priest intra net?)
[fernando001] Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:09:49 AM
Are you kidding me? Maiden hands down easily by a mile!!! Saxon is great but they could never write a song as epic as the Rime of the Ancient Mariner or pull off a chorus with as much power as the one in Cought Somewhere in Time. I'd also take Maiden's new material, but that's just me :P
[PlasmaShock] Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:59:32 PM
Saxon is a great band, but Maiden is just so much more metal \m/
[Brian_Evans] Saturday, June 11, 2011 2:29:25 PM
Better get busy reposting all your vids, man ...
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, June 11, 2011 3:28:50 AM
Yeah Sea Of Life is totally excellent JT,definately one of Saxon's top 10 tracks of all time.
One of my ultimate favourites of Saxon, the guitar work to me is absolutely inspirational.
Edited at: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:48:16 AM
[Brian_Evans] Saturday, June 11, 2011 1:23:11 AM
The user removed all the new vids you posted of your Saxon boys. Were they that bad ? ...lol chump!
[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, June 07, 2011 4:58:03 PM
Title track "Call To Arms" totally in the vien of Crusader. This album is 100% excellent!
[JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Monday, June 06, 2011 8:47:42 AM
One of my ultimate favourites of Saxon, the guitar work to me is absolutely inspirational.
Edited at: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:48:16 AM
[JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Monday, June 06, 2011 8:44:41 AM
Oh yeah man, ordered the limited edition which is due out today so should be waiting for me when I get home! I can't wait to hear it in it's entirity
[J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, June 06, 2011 3:42:26 AM
Mists Of Avalon - Totaly awsome album from Saxon,every song is excellent. This has got to be Saxon's 2nd or 3rd best album of all time.
Edited at: Monday, June 06, 2011 3:51:16 AM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:30:50 PM
No Rest For The Wicked
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:22:45 PM
Back In 79' Total in the vien of Denim & Leather and The Eagle Has Landed..ect...
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:18:59 PM
Surviving Against The Odds
Edited at: Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:19:54 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:17:33 PM
Yeah thats from the Wacken 2001 show where they headlined,they have headlined a couple of Wacken shows but not as many as Iron Maiden has. Here is Afterburner from the new album,pretty straight forward british style heavy metal and classic rock album [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Saturday, June 04, 2011 9:28:24 PM)
Brian_Evans wrote:
Hmmm ..one of the better Saxon tracks i've heard ...not too fond of the vocales but this live version is pretty sick.
[Brian_Evans] Saturday, June 04, 2011 9:28:24 PM
Hmmm ..one of the better Saxon tracks i've heard ...not too fond of the vocales but this live version is pretty sick.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, June 02, 2011 2:58:14 PM
Wow Guido that is some vintage stuff man!!!! What a concert that must have been!!
A shot just for you, J.D. My last day / night was in Paris. I'd been there many times so just get a bottle of champagne and head to Notre Dame to sit in the park to admire the structure of the building. It sits in the Seine river and all up and down the walkway are street vendors. One in particular caught my attention. I would have bought it but don't trust things on the street as being original. No Priest but check it out! Supporting groups especially.
[guidogodoy] Thursday, June 02, 2011 12:25:52 PM
A shot just for you, J.D. My last day / night was in Paris. I'd been there many times so just get a bottle of champagne and head to Notre Dame to sit in the park to admire the structure of the building. It sits in the Seine river and all up and down the walkway are street vendors. One in particular caught my attention. I would have bought it but don't trust things on the street as being original. No Priest but check it out! Supporting groups especially.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:25:40 PM
Yeah JT Saxon kicks the living shit out of Boring Maiden,12 days until Call To Arms is released,I can't wait.
Let's be honest, Maiden can't write anything this heavy especially nowadays www.youtube.com/watch JD how the Hell do you post vidoes in messages on here?
Edited at: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:32:47 AM
[guidogodoy] Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:13:41 PM
JT...from YouTube, hit "share" then "embed." Go back to the JP page, open a message and hit "source' at top. Return once or twice if you have already typed text into a message and voilá.
Let's be honest, Maiden can't write anything this heavy especially nowadays www.youtube.com/watch JD how the Hell do you post vidoes in messages on here?
Edited at: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:32:47 AM
[JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:58:34 AM
Lol just lol. Iron Maiden heavy as this? Hahaha [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:20:30 AM)
Brian_Evans wrote:
Zak Wylde rip-off guitars in that vid....u kiddin me. Iron Maiden has totally original sound and they are just as heavy.
JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote:
Let's be honest, Maiden can't write anything this heavy especially nowadays www.youtube.com/watch JD how the Hell do you post vidoes in messages on here?
Edited at: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:32:47 AM
[Brian_Evans] Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:20:30 AM
Zak Wylde rip-off guitars in that vid....u kiddin me. Iron Maiden has totally original sound and they are just as heavy. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:28:55 AM)
JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote:
Let's be honest, Maiden can't write anything this heavy especially nowadays www.youtube.com/watch JD how the Hell do you post vidoes in messages on here?
Edited at: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:32:47 AM
[JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:28:55 AM
Let's be honest, Maiden can't write anything this heavy especially nowadays www.youtube.com/watch JD how the Hell do you post vidoes in messages on here?
Edited at: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:32:47 AM
[JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:00:54 AM
With this being a Priest site, I have found most Maiden fans can't stand Priest but Saxon are more like Priest than Maiden in their sound, that's why most people will prefer Saxon here.
All I can say is who can blame them? HAHA Saxon kick more ass, they're harder hitters their music is powerful and the riffs are heavier than Hell. I honestly think that's what Maiden lack, they're classed as heavy metal and yet the riffs let's face it just aren't heavy.
If only Saxon hadn't flopped in the 80's they'd be up their with Priest and Maiden now doing larger shows. But one thing is certain the music they are playing now certainly fulfills my metal needs.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:03:00 AM
Oh,ok you got me,he did already vote. Thats still Saxon over Maiden 20 to 6,its a "BOLD FACED FACT" lol! 20 people to 6 say Saxon are better in the thread you've created HA!
JT Small Deadly Space has already voted man, stop fishing for extra votes ...and that vid shows the bold face reality of how inferior they are to Maiden! lmao(Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:29:06 PM) Edited at: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:24:54 PM
[Brian_Evans] Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:18:17 PM
JT Small Deadly Space has already voted man, stop fishing for extra votes ...and that vid shows the bold face reality of how inferior they are to Maiden! lmao[Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:29:06 PM) Edited at: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:24:54 PM
[Brian_Evans] Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:12:12 PM
Again I have to totally agree man, Iron Maiden towers over Saxon in all phases of metal. And thats a "BOLD FACE FACT"!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Skybreaker from Monday, May 09, 2011 3:11:57 PM)
Skybreaker wrote:
Definitely Iron Maiden over Saxon.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:29:06 PM
Hell yeah JT,Hammer Of the Gods is an excellent track.
Here is "When Doomsday Comes" off the new album,Saxon didn't put this on youtube as some fan did so the sound quality isn't good but you can still hear the new track,totally excellent song,reminds me of the Lionheart album!
The album 'Call To Arms" comes out Monday May 23rd.
Your vote puts up Saxon 21 to Maiden's 6......haha!
Rudy63....your post makes Saxon up 20 votes to Iron Maiden's 5 ....."WOW". This is really impressive for Saxon man,this really shows that Saxon are without a doubt writting much much better songs these days than Iron Maiden are. Sure Saxon will never be as popular as Maiden are but really who cares?
This shows that the Maiden fans are going to the concert to hear the 1980's songs,not the post 80's crap they write these days(except for AMOLAD) and this thread shows that there are more metal fans that like Saxon over Maiden these days,and rightfully so.
Saxon up 20 to 5 Evans! lol! HA! That is a Michael Jordan slam dunk!!!! lol!
Greendew. If you think the airplay in the States is bad you should have a listened to the radio here in the UK the last 30 years Metal was totally ignored !!! During the 80s we had the Friday rock show for 2 hours between 10 & midnight 2 hours a week Nationally! and that came to an end years back. There may be odd local stations with a late night "rock" show which play at best progressive rock. If you're lucky you might get, run to the hills or wheels of steel or maybe AC~DC & thin lizzy if they're feeling like going wild. There's Planet Rock now, which just plays a hell of a lot of progressive stuff like Pink Flloyd , Yes, Foreigner , Boston Bonjovi, Breakfast in America by Supertramp is always on and so it goes on. If you get anything decent , they seem to play the same songs by each band over and over !!
Compared to this When, i was over in the States a few years ago it was a novelty to be able to tune into different radio stations during the day time while driving through and actually hear heavy rock played, to the extent I remember my daughter saying when we first got there "Dad they are actually playing Dio on the radio here"! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by greendew from Tuesday, April 26, 2011 6:04:41 PM)
greendew wrote:
I constantly find these bizarre "vs" all over the web, Saxxon vs Maiden?? 2 totaly differnt bands imo if you compare there whole body of works, they both have had there fair share of stinkers. I live in the states where sadly bands like Saxxon just have never been that big : \ Just look at our lame Rock and Roll hall of fame to see the kind of taste America has......Dont misunderstand me I love this country but, there taste in music is lacking sadly in the hard rock/metal department. we are foce fed on the radios what coperations think we like o.0
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:36:05 AM
(lol) Yeah right "fishing for votes" huh? lmfao! Neah its not a vote for either. Face it,your 100% totally fucking "BUTT-HURT" that you created this thread expecting Maiden to wipe the floor up with Saxon but it didn't happen and i think its funnier than shit! lol! And to greendew.........there is one "X" in Saxon not 2(Saxxon).
The way he fishes for votes Diamond will probably take this as a vote for Saxon ...lol
greendew wrote:
I constantly find these bizarre "vs" all over the web, Saxxon vs Maiden?? 2 totaly differnt bands imo if you compare there whole body of works, they both have had there fair share of stinkers. I live in the states where sadly bands like Saxxon just have never been that big : \ Just look at our lame Rock and Roll hall of fame to see the kind of taste America has......Dont misunderstand me I love this country but, there taste in music is lacking sadly in the hard rock/metal department. we are foce fed on the radios what coperations think we like o.0
Edited at: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:36:53 AM
[Brian_Evans] Tuesday, April 26, 2011 7:54:55 PM
The way he fishes for votes Diamond will probably take this as a vote for Saxon ...lol [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by greendew from Tuesday, April 26, 2011 6:04:41 PM)
greendew wrote:
I constantly find these bizarre "vs" all over the web, Saxxon vs Maiden?? 2 totaly differnt bands imo if you compare there whole body of works, they both have had there fair share of stinkers. I live in the states where sadly bands like Saxxon just have never been that big : \ Just look at our lame Rock and Roll hall of fame to see the kind of taste America has......Dont misunderstand me I love this country but, there taste in music is lacking sadly in the hard rock/metal department. we are foce fed on the radios what coperations think we like o.0
[greendew] Tuesday, April 26, 2011 6:04:41 PM
I constantly find these bizarre "vs" all over the web, Saxxon vs Maiden?? 2 totaly differnt bands imo if you compare there whole body of works, they both have had there fair share of stinkers. I live in the states where sadly bands like Saxxon just have never been that big : \ Just look at our lame Rock and Roll hall of fame to see the kind of taste America has......Dont misunderstand me I love this country but, there taste in music is lacking sadly in the hard rock/metal department. we are foce fed on the radios what coperations think we like o.0
[J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, April 25, 2011 4:31:35 PM
Yeah The Final Frontier is 100% "crap". Saxon totally crushes Iron Maiden these last 16 years man.
Thanx man,yeah Saxon can kick Maiden anytime of the day. Maiden last album should have been called 'The Last Crap Album' well ever make,lol.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Ha! Kirby your post puts Saxon up over Maiden 18-5 !!!! LOL! Yes Maiden SUCKS nowadays and has been inconsistant for the last 25 years. Saxon up 18 to 5 over Maiden lol!
(Quoting Message by Kirby *curb* from Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:33:43 PM)
Kirby *curb* wrote:
SAXON!!!!!! MAIDEN SUCKS!!!!!
Edited at: Sunday, April 24, 2011 6:09:07 PM
[Kirby *curb*] Monday, April 25, 2011 8:26:01 AM
Thanx man,yeah Saxon can kick Maiden anytime of the day. Maiden last album should have been called 'The Last Crap Album' well ever make,lol. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, April 24, 2011 6:08:51 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Ha! Kirby your post puts Saxon up over Maiden 18-5 !!!! LOL! Yes Maiden SUCKS nowadays and has been inconsistant for the last 25 years. Saxon up 18 to 5 over Maiden lol!
(Quoting Message by Kirby *curb* from Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:33:43 PM)
Kirby *curb* wrote:
SAXON!!!!!! MAIDEN SUCKS!!!!!
Edited at: Sunday, April 24, 2011 6:09:07 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, April 24, 2011 11:59:58 PM
Let Me Feel Your Power - 2007 (The Inner Sanctum album) Fuck yeah!!!
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, April 24, 2011 11:22:44 PM
Yeah icecreamman, Saxon up 19 to 5 and for good reason. They have been kicking Iron Maiden's ass for the last 16 years straight (1995 - 2011) and this thread Brian_Evans created backfired on him,he figured Maiden would get most the votes but he is now realizing that 95% of metal fans like Saxon better than Iron Maiden these last 20 years.
Make it 19 -5 JD! Saxon are better than ever while Maiden have really fizzed out, the Final Frontier was okay, but okay does not cut it. I am still waiting on a Saxon/Judas Priest U.S. Tour!
My vote goes to SAXON (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, April 24, 2011 3:20:34 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yep thats the way it was here in the states too Rik. Maiden didn't so much sell out to a wider audience as you know but thier song writting starting from 1990's poor quality album "No Prayer For The Dying" all the way till 2010's poor quality album The Final Frontier has sucked BIG TIME. from 1990 to 2010 they wrote 8 studio albums and only 1 of them are decent"A Matter Of Life And Death". Brave New World only has 4 songs that are worth a shit,the other 6 songs suck balls.
Saxon sold out big time,but had come back full circle and proved themselves to the metal world they are quality british heavy metal and have been for 16 years.
The Maiden fanboy created this thread 5 months ago thinking that everybody would be flocking towards Maiden and posting Maiden over Saxon,but this back fired on his ass big time with Saxon grabbing 17 votes and with Maiden only grabbing 5 votes over 5 months. That shows how lame Iron Maiden really is these last 20 years. Pretty sad when a band has to live off the early 1980's for fan's opinions here in 2011,absolutely "sad".
Hey Maiden fanboy.....17 to 5 Saxon is kicking your lame band's ass these last 16 years and counting HAHA!!! Keep living in the 80's haha!!!
(Quoting Message by Rik_ from Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:56:20 PM)
Rik_ wrote:
During the late 80s & through the 90s, heavy rock / metal generally lost it's street cred, at least it did here in the UK, not just Saxon . The two magazines here which had traditionally flown the flag for metal became full of bands which had no business being in there in my opinion, chilli peppers, Faith no more, grunge bands etc etc', it got virtually no radio air time either, and traditional metal was pushed out & poked fun at or portrayed as old hat. Only bands like Metallica or Guns & roses (another band living off the sale of one album) seemed to be spared the rod. Saxon were often treated with little respect, but they stuck to their guns like Motorhead, Priest and the likes, and they rode out the storm while other bands either fell by the wayside or tried to appeal to a wider audience. Edited at: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:57:58 PM
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[icecreamman] Sunday, April 24, 2011 9:49:20 PM
Make it 19 -5 JD! Saxon are better than ever while Maiden have really fizzed out, the Final Frontier was okay, but okay does not cut it. I am still waiting on a Saxon/Judas Priest U.S. Tour!
Yep thats the way it was here in the states too Rik. Maiden didn't so much sell out to a wider audience as you know but thier song writting starting from 1990's poor quality album "No Prayer For The Dying" all the way till 2010's poor quality album The Final Frontier has sucked BIG TIME. from 1990 to 2010 they wrote 8 studio albums and only 1 of them are decent"A Matter Of Life And Death". Brave New World only has 4 songs that are worth a shit,the other 6 songs suck balls.
Saxon sold out big time,but had come back full circle and proved themselves to the metal world they are quality british heavy metal and have been for 16 years.
The Maiden fanboy created this thread 5 months ago thinking that everybody would be flocking towards Maiden and posting Maiden over Saxon,but this back fired on his ass big time with Saxon grabbing 17 votes and with Maiden only grabbing 5 votes over 5 months. That shows how lame Iron Maiden really is these last 20 years. Pretty sad when a band has to live off the early 1980's for fan's opinions here in 2011,absolutely "sad".
Hey Maiden fanboy.....17 to 5 Saxon is kicking your lame band's ass these last 16 years and counting HAHA!!! Keep living in the 80's haha!!!
(Quoting Message by Rik_ from Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:56:20 PM)
Rik_ wrote:
During the late 80s & through the 90s, heavy rock / metal generally lost it's street cred, at least it did here in the UK, not just Saxon . The two magazines here which had traditionally flown the flag for metal became full of bands which had no business being in there in my opinion, chilli peppers, Faith no more, grunge bands etc etc', it got virtually no radio air time either, and traditional metal was pushed out & poked fun at or portrayed as old hat. Only bands like Metallica or Guns & roses (another band living off the sale of one album) seemed to be spared the rod. Saxon were often treated with little respect, but they stuck to their guns like Motorhead, Priest and the likes, and they rode out the storm while other bands either fell by the wayside or tried to appeal to a wider audience. Edited at: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:57:58 PM
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, April 24, 2011 6:08:51 PM
Ha! Kirby your post puts Saxon up over Maiden 18-5 !!!! LOL! Yes Maiden SUCKS nowadays and has been inconsistant for the last 25 years. Saxon up 18 to 5 over Maiden lol!
Yep thats the way it was here in the states too Rik. Maiden didn't so much sell out to a wider audience as you know but thier song writting starting from 1990's poor quality album "No Prayer For The Dying" all the way till 2010's poor quality album The Final Frontier has sucked BIG TIME. from 1990 to 2010 they wrote 8 studio albums and only 1 of them are decent"A Matter Of Life And Death". Brave New World only has 4 songs that are worth a shit,the other 6 songs suck balls.
Saxon sold out big time,but had come back full circle and proved themselves to the metal world they are quality british heavy metal and have been for 16 years.
The Maiden fanboy created this thread 5 months ago thinking that everybody would be flocking towards Maiden and posting Maiden over Saxon,but this back fired on his ass big time with Saxon grabbing 17 votes and with Maiden only grabbing 5 votes over 5 months. That shows how lame Iron Maiden really is these last 20 years. Pretty sad when a band has to live off the early 1980's for fan's opinions here in 2011,absolutely "sad".
Hey Maiden fanboy.....17 to 5 Saxon is kicking your lame band's ass these last 16 years and counting HAHA!!! Keep living in the 80's haha!!!
During the late 80s & through the 90s, heavy rock / metal generally lost it's street cred, at least it did here in the UK, not just Saxon . The two magazines here which had traditionally flown the flag for metal became full of bands which had no business being in there in my opinion, chilli peppers, Faith no more, grunge bands etc etc', it got virtually no radio air time either, and traditional metal was pushed out & poked fun at or portrayed as old hat. Only bands like Metallica or Guns & roses (another band living off the sale of one album) seemed to be spared the rod. Saxon were often treated with little respect, but they stuck to their guns like Motorhead, Priest and the likes, and they rode out the storm while other bands either fell by the wayside or tried to appeal to a wider audience. Edited at: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:57:58 PM
Edited at: Sunday, April 24, 2011 3:22:53 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, April 24, 2011 3:04:25 PM
Well as you said Saxon from 1995 and onwards writes BETTER metal songs as 17 of us agree with only 5 that disagree. With that being said its easy for me to come up with 12 Saxon tracks,I could pick 12 tracks spread throughout 8 studio albums but for Maiden,its limited.
I hate the whole album of The X Factor,I hate the entire album of Virtual Eleven,hate the entire album of Dance Of Death and hate the entire album of The final Frontier.
So that only leaves me Brave New World where I only like 4 songs and A Matter Of life And Death where I like 8 songs with 2 that suck.
But there are many combinations of 12 tracks I could give as examples of Saxon that would totally blow away these 12 tracks between Brave New World and AMOLAD.
So ....NO COMPARISON,Saxon wins every time with material from 1995 to 2011 over Maiden. Maiden is better in the 1980's and thats where they are going to stay with the MAJORITY of our opinions in this thread,and many many people outside this thread also agree with our opinions that Saxon from 95' till today are so much better than Maiden from 1990 to 2011.
Its sad a band such as Iron Maiden is locked into the 1980's when asked about "quality material",as 90% of fans say thier last 20 years suck balls. When asked about Saxon,they all rave about how good they are these last 16 years,its amazing. Maiden is like Metallica,they are locked into the 1980's when asked about "quality song writting" and quality albums.
How about doing a top 12 saxon and a top 12 Maiden 'best of ' from 1995 onwards ?
would be interesting..hmmmmmm let me think...
[Rik_] Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:56:20 PM
During the late 80s & through the 90s, heavy rock / metal generally lost it's street cred, at least it did here in the UK, not just Saxon . The two magazines here which had traditionally flown the flag for metal became full of bands which had no business being in there in my opinion, chilli peppers, Faith no more, grunge bands etc etc', it got virtually no radio air time either, and traditional metal was pushed out & poked fun at or portrayed as old hat. Only bands like Metallica or Guns & roses (another band living off the sale of one album) seemed to be spared the rod. Saxon were often treated with little respect, but they stuck to their guns like Motorhead, Priest and the likes, and they rode out the storm while other bands either fell by the wayside or tried to appeal to a wider audience. Edited at: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:57:58 PM
[Brian_Evans] Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:22:58 PM
Yeah I agree, overall Maiden are way better than Saxon. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by soccer star from Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:24:16 AM)
soccer star wrote:
For me.. overall.. Maiden are better than Saxon but of the later years i think Saxon write better real Metal songs.
In the 80s Maiden were kings but from the mid 90s onwards Saxon have released some strong albums and i think people tend to over look em.
It seems to me that Saxon lost some street cred around the mid to late 80s but did manage to turn it around from 'Dogs Of War' (1995) onwards.
In the early 80s Saxon and Maiden were pretty much neck n kneck but Maiden remained consistant where as Saxon didn't..
This is my view anyway.
[soccer star] Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:20:51 AM
How about doing a top 12 saxon and a top 12 Maiden 'best of ' from 1995 onwards ?
would be interesting..hmmmmmm let me think...
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:50:42 AM
I absolutely agree Soccer Star,Maiden were much bettter in the 80's but from 1995 to 2011 Saxon are better and with 17 people saying so and only 5 people said Maiden are better nowadays. 17 to 5 shows Saxon are much better song writters than Iron Maiden these last 16 years and counting.
For me.. overall.. Maiden are better than Saxon but of the later years i think Saxon write better real Metal songs.
In the 80s Maiden were kings but from the mid 90s onwards Saxon have released some strong albums and i think people tend to over look em.
It seems to me that Saxon lost some street cred around the mid to late 80s but did manage to turn it around from 'Dogs Of War' (1995) onwards.
In the early 80s Saxon and Maiden were pretty much neck n kneck but Maiden remained consistant where as Saxon didn't..
This is my view anyway.
Edited at: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:56:43 AM
[soccer star] Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:24:16 AM
For me.. overall.. Maiden are better than Saxon but of the later years i think Saxon write better real Metal songs.
In the 80s Maiden were kings but from the mid 90s onwards Saxon have released some strong albums and i think people tend to over look em.
It seems to me that Saxon lost some street cred around the mid to late 80s but did manage to turn it around from 'Dogs Of War' (1995) onwards.
In the early 80s Saxon and Maiden were pretty much neck n kneck but Maiden remained consistant where as Saxon didn't..
This is my view anyway.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:41:57 PM
They are sad because you can't understand that Saxon is up 16 to 5 ha!
Well according to you then we have 16 very sad members here ...lmao
(Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:47:56 AM) Edited at: Saturday, April 23, 2011 5:45:02 PM
[Brian_Evans] Saturday, April 23, 2011 5:16:55 PM
Well according to you then we have 16 very sad members here ...lmao
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:47:56 AM
LOL! Here is a worse one than that Brian, check out this pile of fuck...."I Can't Wait anymore" 1988 Destiny shit album....
You know whats sad? Is that 16 members voted for this shit over your 5 members sticking up for Iron Maiden ...HA! lMFAO!!!!! Dude your Maiden can't beat this shit man! lol!
Now that is some funny Saturday morning shit!! lol!!
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[Brian_Evans] Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:30:18 AM
You've been right all along man, a band that could do a cover like this has to be better than Maiden. They set the standard for classic metal with this one.
I love Cross's version but this ... wow ... the guitar and the harmonies ... geez ... knocks me off my feet.!!!!
16 members says it is better than Maiden,5 members says its not. You do the math...wait.....I'm sorry,this is too difficult for you to do. (lol) Fucking dork lol
Brian_Evans wrote:
That track is not even in Maidens league.
Nostradamus is better than that ..lol
Edited at: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:45:54 AM
Edited Edited at: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:39:20 AM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:07:42 AM
16 members says it is better than Maiden,5 members says its not. You do the math...wait.....I'm sorry,this is too difficult for you to do. (lol) Fucking dork lol
[Brian_Evans] Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:08:05 AM
That track is not even in Maidens league.
Nostradamus is better than that ..lol
Edited at: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:45:54 AM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, April 22, 2011 3:28:49 PM
Saxon - Hammer Of The Gods - 2011 Call To Arms
Yes The Final Frontier sucks big balls Rik,its flat and boring to say the least. Lets face it,Saxon nowadays DESTROYS Maiden,and writes better songs for british heavy metal while Maiden is writting long boring flat dull folk/rock.
Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 3:30:37 PM
[Rik_] Friday, April 22, 2011 12:48:55 PM
As you say priest & particularly saxon kept it going. All this talk had me playing Final frontier in the car today. I've only played it once before since I bought it, and seeing a we have tickets for the tour this summer I thought i'd give it anoher go but apart from maybe a couple of tracks I cant get into it. too long winded. A bit like the lst one.
Well ya know I don't really think thats the case with Maiden,I mean look at Priest after Turbo the same year as Somewhere In Time 1986...they at least had Ram It Down which was better than 1990's No Prayer album,and of course we have Painkiller 1990 same year as No Prayer...even Jugulator was better than ANYTHING Maiden did in the 1990's. And of course Angel Of Retribution totally smokes anything Maiden has done since Powerslave,thats for sure.
Look at Saxon...thier first 5 studio albums (1979 - 1983) were good (not as good as 80's Maiden though) then from 1984 to 1992 they wrote 6 shit albums in a row. But they snapped out of it starting in 1995 with Dogs Of War and changed thier image to a normal rock/heavy metal band like they should be instead of thier silly 1980's image and the song writting from that album....up to now 2011 Call To Arms the last 8 studio albums Saxon has written has been the best material they have ever done in my opinion(and many others too).
Why can't Maiden do this? Priest and Saxon at least recovered from thier shitty albums but Maiden keeps writting these boring lame dull albums.Brave New World to me is only half good just like Point Of Entry,sure half of it is cool but the other half sucks balls. Dance Of Death I hate the entire album,AMOLAD I do like minus the two shit singles & videos and The Final Frontier is all SHIT.
Steve Harris is the reason Maiden sucks,he is also the reason the old Maiden albums(1980 - 1984) is so good. He just forgot how to write killer albums. Maiden should of returned Eddie back to the streets like he was in Killers,and numberous drawings ect...and harken thier sound back to Piece Of Mind/Number Of The Beast....
Thats what formula they should of gone with because I think it would of sparked the quality of the song writting. This progressive shit like The Final Frontier is so much further progressed than A Matter Of Life And Death its not even funny,its like a "folk/rock album" not a british heavy metal album. Saxon just stays within thier bounderies and uses the same formula and thier fans love them for it.
(Quoting Message by Rik_ from Friday, April 22, 2011 6:33:56 AM)
Rik_ wrote:
Maybe we're just old stick in the muds JD "caught some where in time" !! , but I agree to some extent with what you say, I've not really bought much Metallica since master of puppets and likes Def Leppard appeal to a totally different audience to what they did in their first couple of albums.
Must be hard for likes of maiden & metallica though to follow up early successes and keep it going for years If they don't do something a bit different they get accused of every album being the same like AC/DC or Status Quo, they'll not win many new fans but at least you know what you're getting. I think some bands just get too big if that's possible?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Whatever it may be,Iron Maiden has "SUCKED" for the last 25 years now(1986 Somewhere In Shit album) with only one decent album(2006). The Final Frontier is utterly a gross display of shit,its boring,and spanks of shit song writting.
This band used to crank out cult classics like Where Eagles Dare,Flash Of The Blade,The Prisoner,To tame A Land,Aces High,Wrathchild,Phantom Of The Opera...and then came the Somewhere In Shit album....sure Seventh Son was ok,and then 2006's A Matter Of Life And Death was "ok" but everything else is shit.
After Powerslave and since they wrote the Somewhere In Crap album they have "NEVER RECOVERED". There are a small percentage of fan..(a small) that like the newer Maiden just as much as the old,but not many. Thats like saying there are a small percentage of fans that like the shit Turbo album too. Same thing. Iron Maiden are the 2nd biggest disappointment in metal history with Shitallica at number one.
Rik_ wrote:
Speaking in general, I reckon what sometimes happens is bands develop as musicians from the early days and want to showcase this in their albums. You often hear them saying it in interviews. This seems in many cases, to result in songs becoming technical magnum opuses, or concept albums. Sometimes though it's the rawness of the earlier music which attracted a lot of people to them, many of who are not accomplished musicians ourselves and don't appreciate the "improved" direction of the newer stuff. Probably this is why after a while you get a back to their roots album.
I remember that documentary a few years ago featuring Saxon where Harvey Goldsmith the PR man was trying to basically commercialise the band sound to appeal to a new audience. The band didn't like what he had planned for them and told him it was great to get new fans, but they had fans who'd been following them for nearly 30 years to consider too.
Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 3:12:49 AM
Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 7:43:52 AM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, April 22, 2011 7:40:15 AM
Well ya know I don't really think thats the case with Maiden,I mean look at Priest after Turbo the same year as Somewhere In Time 1986...they at least had Ram It Down which was better than 1990's No Prayer album,and of course we have Painkiller 1990 same year as No Prayer...even Jugulator was better than ANYTHING Maiden did in the 1990's. And of course Angel Of Retribution totally smokes anything Maiden has done since Powerslave,thats for sure.
Look at Saxon...thier first 5 studio albums (1979 - 1983) were good (not as good as 80's Maiden though) then from 1984 to 1992 they wrote 6 shit albums in a row. But they snapped out of it starting in 1995 with Dogs Of War and changed thier image to a normal rock/heavy metal band like they should be instead of thier silly 1980's image and the song writting from that album....up to now 2011 Call To Arms the last 8 studio albums Saxon has written has been the best material they have ever done in my opinion(and many others too).
Why can't Maiden do this? Priest and Saxon at least recovered from thier shitty albums but Maiden keeps writting these boring lame dull albums.Brave New World to me is only half good just like Point Of Entry,sure half of it is cool but the other half sucks balls. Dance Of Death I hate the entire album,AMOLAD I do like minus the two shit singles & videos and The Final Frontier is all SHIT.
Steve Harris is the reason Maiden sucks,he is also the reason the old Maiden albums(1980 - 1984) is so good. He just forgot how to write killer albums. Maiden should of returned Eddie back to the streets like he was in Killers,and numberous drawings ect...and harken thier sound back to Piece Of Mind/Number Of The Beast....
Thats what formula they should of gone with because I think it would of sparked the quality of the song writting. This progressive shit like The Final Frontier is so much further progressed than A Matter Of Life And Death its not even funny,its like a "folk/rock album" not a british heavy metal album. Saxon just stays within thier bounderies and uses the same formula and thier fans love them for it.
Maybe we're just old stick in the muds JD "caught some where in time" !! , but I agree to some extent with what you say, I've not really bought much Metallica since master of puppets and likes Def Leppard appeal to a totally different audience to what they did in their first couple of albums.
Must be hard for likes of maiden & metallica though to follow up early successes and keep it going for years If they don't do something a bit different they get accused of every album being the same like AC/DC or Status Quo, they'll not win many new fans but at least you know what you're getting. I think some bands just get too big if that's possible?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Whatever it may be,Iron Maiden has "SUCKED" for the last 25 years now(1986 Somewhere In Shit album) with only one decent album(2006). The Final Frontier is utterly a gross display of shit,its boring,and spanks of shit song writting.
This band used to crank out cult classics like Where Eagles Dare,Flash Of The Blade,The Prisoner,To tame A Land,Aces High,Wrathchild,Phantom Of The Opera...and then came the Somewhere In Shit album....sure Seventh Son was ok,and then 2006's A Matter Of Life And Death was "ok" but everything else is shit.
After Powerslave and since they wrote the Somewhere In Crap album they have "NEVER RECOVERED". There are a small percentage of fan..(a small) that like the newer Maiden just as much as the old,but not many. Thats like saying there are a small percentage of fans that like the shit Turbo album too. Same thing. Iron Maiden are the 2nd biggest disappointment in metal history with Shitallica at number one.
Rik_ wrote:
Speaking in general, I reckon what sometimes happens is bands develop as musicians from the early days and want to showcase this in their albums. You often hear them saying it in interviews. This seems in many cases, to result in songs becoming technical magnum opuses, or concept albums. Sometimes though it's the rawness of the earlier music which attracted a lot of people to them, many of who are not accomplished musicians ourselves and don't appreciate the "improved" direction of the newer stuff. Probably this is why after a while you get a back to their roots album.
I remember that documentary a few years ago featuring Saxon where Harvey Goldsmith the PR man was trying to basically commercialise the band sound to appeal to a new audience. The band didn't like what he had planned for them and told him it was great to get new fans, but they had fans who'd been following them for nearly 30 years to consider too.
Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 3:12:49 AM
Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 7:43:52 AM
[Rik_] Friday, April 22, 2011 6:33:56 AM
Maybe we're just old stick in the muds JD "caught some where in time" !! , but I agree to some extent with what you say, I've not really bought much Metallica since master of puppets and likes Def Leppard appeal to a totally different audience to what they did in their first couple of albums.
Must be hard for likes of maiden & metallica though to follow up early successes and keep it going for years If they don't do something a bit different they get accused of every album being the same like AC/DC or Status Quo, they'll not win many new fans but at least you know what you're getting. I think some bands just get too big if that's possible?
Whatever it may be,Iron Maiden has "SUCKED" for the last 25 years now(1986 Somewhere In Shit album) with only one decent album(2006). The Final Frontier is utterly a gross display of shit,its boring,and spanks of shit song writting.
This band used to crank out cult classics like Where Eagles Dare,Flash Of The Blade,The Prisoner,To tame A Land,Aces High,Wrathchild,Phantom Of The Opera...and then came the Somewhere In Shit album....sure Seventh Son was ok,and then 2006's A Matter Of Life And Death was "ok" but everything else is shit.
After Powerslave and since they wrote the Somewhere In Crap album they have "NEVER RECOVERED". There are a small percentage of fan..(a small) that like the newer Maiden just as much as the old,but not many. Thats like saying there are a small percentage of fans that like the shit Turbo album too. Same thing. Iron Maiden are the 2nd biggest disappointment in metal history with Shitallica at number one.
Rik_ wrote:
Speaking in general, I reckon what sometimes happens is bands develop as musicians from the early days and want to showcase this in their albums. You often hear them saying it in interviews. This seems in many cases, to result in songs becoming technical magnum opuses, or concept albums. Sometimes though it's the rawness of the earlier music which attracted a lot of people to them, many of who are not accomplished musicians ourselves and don't appreciate the "improved" direction of the newer stuff. Probably this is why after a while you get a back to their roots album.
I remember that documentary a few years ago featuring Saxon where Harvey Goldsmith the PR man was trying to basically commercialise the band sound to appeal to a new audience. The band didn't like what he had planned for them and told him it was great to get new fans, but they had fans who'd been following them for nearly 30 years to consider too.
Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 3:12:49 AM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, April 22, 2011 5:58:31 AM
Whatever it may be,Iron Maiden has "SUCKED" for the last 25 years now(1986 Somewhere In Shit album) with only one decent album(2006). The Final Frontier is utterly a gross display of shit,its boring,and spanks of shit song writting.
This band used to crank out cult classics like Where Eagles Dare,Flash Of The Blade,The Prisoner,To tame A Land,Aces High,Wrathchild,Phantom Of The Opera...and then came the Somewhere In Shit album....sure Seventh Son was ok,and then 2006's A Matter Of Life And Death was "ok" but everything else is shit.
After Powerslave and since they wrote the Somewhere In Crap album they have "NEVER RECOVERED". There are a small percentage of fan..(a small) that like the newer Maiden just as much as the old,but not many. Thats like saying there are a small percentage of fans that like the shit Turbo album too. Same thing. Iron Maiden are the 2nd biggest disappointment in metal history with Shitallica at number one.
Speaking in general, I reckon what sometimes happens is bands develop as musicians from the early days and want to showcase this in their albums. You often hear them saying it in interviews. This seems in many cases, to result in songs becoming technical magnum opuses, or concept albums. Sometimes though it's the rawness of the earlier music which attracted a lot of people to them, many of who are not accomplished musicians ourselves and don't appreciate the "improved" direction of the newer stuff. Probably this is why after a while you get a back to their roots album.
I remember that documentary a few years ago featuring Saxon where Harvey Goldsmith the PR man was trying to basically commercialise the band sound to appeal to a new audience. The band didn't like what he had planned for them and told him it was great to get new fans, but they had fans who'd been following them for nearly 30 years to consider too.
Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 3:12:49 AM
[Rik_] Friday, April 22, 2011 3:11:02 AM
Speaking in general, I reckon what sometimes happens is bands develop as musicians from the early days and want to showcase this in their albums. You often hear them saying it in interviews. This seems in many cases, to result in songs becoming technical magnum opuses, or concept albums. Sometimes though it's the rawness of the earlier music which attracted a lot of people to them, many of who are not accomplished musicians ourselves and don't appreciate the "improved" direction of the newer stuff. Probably this is why after a while you get a back to their roots album.
I remember that documentary a few years ago featuring Saxon where Harvey Goldsmith the PR man was trying to basically commercialise the band sound to appeal to a new audience. The band didn't like what he had planned for them and told him it was great to get new fans, but they had fans who'd been following them for nearly 30 years to consider too.
Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 3:12:49 AM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:22:56 PM
Yes,Saxon are much better song writters these days than Maiden is. Maiden's albums after Seventh Son are shit besides a few songs and one album I like "A Matter Of Life And Death" besides the 2 shit songs on the album Different World and Benjamin Bragg(yuk) the album's 8 other songs are decent for what Iron maiden is these days but the album is nowhere near Seventh Son...which Seventh Son is nowhere near Powerslave...which is nowhere near Piece Of Mind,Number Of The Beast,Killers or Iron Maiden debut album.
So in general the last 21 years of Maiden is crap,just because I like one album doesn't mean I like post 1988 Iron Maiden. Saxon on the other hand have 8 studio albums in a row that are top notch 1995's Dogs Of War up to thier new album Call To Arms,the band is amazing and keep putting out classic albums with only 1 or sometimes 2 lame songs on an album but they give you 9 or 10 tracks that are totally awsome. Saxon has totally wiped up Maiden these last 16 years but don't get enough credit for it.
Iron Maiden are living off thier early 80's albums,while writting shitty albums and Eddie's marketing,album covers,merchandise ect... Saxon are giving thier fans kick ass british styled heavy metal.
I agree JD about the earlier albums but Saxon have a lot of individual tracks which still go down well at live shows now and are classics. They always seem to have had to work harder to get the recognition they deserve too , which has resulted in them touring extensively playing a lot of smaller venues and has probably helped them keep on improving by staying in touch with the fan base. They are always avilable to talk to fans at gigs and pose for photos etc.
The Iron Maiden brand seemed to take on a life of it's own and sold it's self during the 80s and up to present. Although I like the latest stuff I find it harder to listen to than the earlier work, & it doesn't have the live crowd pleasers in my opinion.
Edited at: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:39:37 PM
[Rik_] Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:12:21 PM
I agree JD about the earlier albums but Saxon have a lot of individual tracks which still go down well at live shows now and are classics. They always seem to have had to work harder to get the recognition they deserve too , which has resulted in them touring extensively playing a lot of smaller venues and has probably helped them keep on improving by staying in touch with the fan base. They are always avilable to talk to fans at gigs and pose for photos etc.
The Iron Maiden brand seemed to take on a life of it's own and sold it's self during the 80s and up to present. Although I like the latest stuff I find it harder to listen to than the earlier work, & it doesn't have the live crowd pleasers in my opinion.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:45:04 PM
With your post, Saxon is up 16 votes to Maiden's 5 votes in this thread,but lets be honest...its because of Saxon's last 16 years and thier last 8 studio albums.
I agree Saxon is better but again its because of the last 16 years(1995 - 2011) because if the thread were about 1980's Maiden vs. 1980's Saxon I'd vote for Iron Maiden hands down,and so would 95% of us all.
Maiden's albums in the 80's were much much better than Saxon's albums in the 80's. But give credit where credit is due...Saxon nowadays is writting better heavy metal/rock material than Iron Maiden is and I think this thread shows it.
Have to say I have seen both bands many times since the 80s, but I prefer Saxon. They don't have the mass appeal of Maiden but this means they tour all the smaller venues on a regular basis which makes for a better atmosphere than these big stadiums in my opinion. As much as I like Iron maiden I find I have to be in the mood to listen to them, particularly the newer stuff which is quite intense, and the tracks are long, whereas I can listen to Saxon most of the time as the music is more accesible.
Edited at: Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:48:26 PM
[Rik_] Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:04:44 PM
Have to say I have seen both bands many times since the 80s, but I prefer Saxon. They don't have the mass appeal of Maiden but this means they tour all the smaller venues on a regular basis which makes for a better atmosphere than these big stadiums in my opinion. As much as I like Iron maiden I find I have to be in the mood to listen to them, particularly the newer stuff which is quite intense, and the tracks are long, whereas I can listen to Saxon most of the time as the music is more accesible.
[GREXUMER] Monday, April 18, 2011 2:02:53 AM
I like both, but obviously I have more time listening to Maiden, than Saxon. However, both are great bands.
[guidogodoy] Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:37:35 AM
"a funin.' " - You should try to use that phrase more often: "I'ze jest a funin' ya!"
yeah, I am just having fun with you. fun, on the internet. who would have thought?
guidogodoy wrote:
Hey, now. Never once did I say that running wasn't boring. You know that I run just because I have nothing better to do!
Still, bad decision to make a SONG about a boring story made into a boring movie about such a monotonous activity! (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:30:56 PM)
Head banger wrote:
you mean running isnt boring? actualy I realy like the album except for that song.
guidogodoy wrote:
Ya know, J.D., while I hate posting anything in this troll's fucking thread, the IM discussion points you raise here are pretty darn accurate. Just coming in from the afternoon run and seeing your comment about "Somewhere in Time" prompted me to pull out the LP itself (shame not to have the art of an LP!). I distinctly remember how sad I was when it came out. While I still think "Caught Somewhere in Time", "Wasted Years" and even "Deja-Vu" are absolute GEMS and, for that reason alone (plus the art...WAY cool to try and find all the hidden messages) the album is priceless, I also temper that comment with how lame and - even worse - PREDICTABLE the rest of the songs were IMO. Worst? The absolutely lame, long and drawn-out "Lonliness of the Long Distance Runner!!" I was bopping around Chicago when this album came out. The three songs I mentioned above really caught my attention but the rest were pretty blah. "Try again," I think, so went for a nice long walk with the cassette in my ears. GAWD, I almost whipped that tape into Lake Michigan just because of that one song! LOL! While I absolutely loved Maiden before it, I really felt like a "Stranger in a Strange Land" (booooring) and far from "Alexander the Great" (pffff...so memorable, I can't even remember the basic chorus).
Funny how I can remember that rainy day back in 1986 when I almost chucked that tape as far as I could even thinking "running must be damn boring!" LOL!
Still think the album is worth it for the three songs I mentioned above, though. Oh yeah, did I mention the great artwork? HAAAAA!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes Brian (you fucking dummy .....) Even I admit the first 5 Iron Maiden albums are totally excellent and yes some of them,not all but some of them are better than Saxon's albums. But the point is....Iron Maiden nowadays will never catch Saxon. Saxon is writting thier best material and Maiden are writting thier worst and that is a fact from an overwhelming %percentage of fan's opinions(like probably 95%) you'll have to live with.
Thats why Saxon is up 15 to 4 here. They are voting for the current Saxon,not the sillyish Saxon from the 80's. Its mother fucking "SAD" that a band like Maiden can sell out arenas that Saxon can't yet when asked about comparing albums in quality the same Maiden fans that bought the tickets vote for Saxon? Its sad man.
Iron Maiden are living off thier first 5 studio albums( JUST LIKE SHITALLICA) while Saxon are living off thier current albums which are better than Iron Maiden's last 10 studio albums......"10" albums man....... not 1,2,3,4,5.......10!!!!!
All these people who voted for Saxon are voting for them because of Saxon's last 8 studio LPs dating back 16 years to Dogs Of War. So this shows the last 16 years and counting Saxon totally blows Iron Maiden out of the water.
Now if the thread were Saxon and Iron Maiden showdown just from the 1980's alone I would vote for Iron Maiden hands down,all Iron Maiden albums from the 1980's blows all Saxon albums from the 1980's away. But thats what is sad,this again shows how much better Saxon is now-a-days from a percentage of people's votes.
These people that go to Maiden's concerts that sell out 60,000 thousand fans just to see Maiden on a whopping percentage are not buying the tickets to hear El Dorado or any Maiden album after Seventh Son,they are buying the tickets to hear songs from 1980 debut "Iron maiden" ,Killers,The Number Of The Beast,Piece Of Mind,Powerslave,Somewhere In Time (yuk but fans like it better than thier nu stuff) and Seventh Son albums.
People are tired of getting watered down material from Iron Maiden,even Bruce's last 3 solo albums "Accident Of Birth,The Chemical Wedding and Tyranny Of Souls" blows all modern day Maiden albums out of the water,but its Bruce not Steve Harris.
And these people who voted here are not being "biased they are giving credit to Saxon for out-writting Iron Maiden in song quality. They are not just voting for Saxon to piss you off,they are sick of Steve Harris and thats what it boils down to. Steve Harris has ruined Iron Maiden and has since 1990.
The Number Of The Beast,Killers and Piece Of mind....these 3 albums are classics and even I will admit that even the best Saxon album Lionheart to me can't top it,thats how cool this band used to be. I was an Iron Maiden fan before you were born as I started liking them in 1982 when I bought The number Of The Beast and have been nothing but disappointed from 1990 till now...thats 21 years.
I do think the debut album "Iron Maiden" and "Powerslave" are excellent but they to me are just barely not as good as Lionheart and The Inner Sanctum,but its close.
However I still do like A Matter Of life And Death. Maybe you should of titled the thread "1980's Iron Maiden or 1980's Saxon"...instead,then Maiden woiuld be up 20 to 0!
(Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Tuesday, April 05, 2011 12:20:58 PM)
Brian_Evans wrote:
Since I'm the one who created this thread just thought I might comment on the situation here. I'm not shocked at the results so far because of biased opinions but I am a little suprised at the low support for Maiden, although it's still too early to declare the winner based on so few votes. I respect all the opinions here ...well almost all the opinions ...lol. Even if some don't like Maidens recent cd's Jimmyjames made an excellent point that Maidens early cd's alone set the bar so high that their basically out of Saxons reach and thats a total slam dunk in my opinion....Ka chunk!! And that "up the saxons" comment is pretty lame and cheesy sounding ...lol! ...but give some credit where credit is due to Saxon for playing classic metal and putting up a decent fight so far even though it's still early.
Up The Irons!!!!!
Edited at: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 12:44:46 PM
Edited at: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:40:26 PM
Edited at: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:44:53 PM
[Head banger] Wednesday, April 06, 2011 7:57:39 AM
yeah, I am just having fun with you. fun, on the internet. who would have thought?
Hey, now. Never once did I say that running wasn't boring. You know that I run just because I have nothing better to do!
Still, bad decision to make a SONG about a boring story made into a boring movie about such a monotonous activity! (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:30:56 PM)
Head banger wrote:
you mean running isnt boring? actualy I realy like the album except for that song.
guidogodoy wrote:
Ya know, J.D., while I hate posting anything in this troll's fucking thread, the IM discussion points you raise here are pretty darn accurate. Just coming in from the afternoon run and seeing your comment about "Somewhere in Time" prompted me to pull out the LP itself (shame not to have the art of an LP!). I distinctly remember how sad I was when it came out. While I still think "Caught Somewhere in Time", "Wasted Years" and even "Deja-Vu" are absolute GEMS and, for that reason alone (plus the art...WAY cool to try and find all the hidden messages) the album is priceless, I also temper that comment with how lame and - even worse - PREDICTABLE the rest of the songs were IMO. Worst? The absolutely lame, long and drawn-out "Lonliness of the Long Distance Runner!!" I was bopping around Chicago when this album came out. The three songs I mentioned above really caught my attention but the rest were pretty blah. "Try again," I think, so went for a nice long walk with the cassette in my ears. GAWD, I almost whipped that tape into Lake Michigan just because of that one song! LOL! While I absolutely loved Maiden before it, I really felt like a "Stranger in a Strange Land" (booooring) and far from "Alexander the Great" (pffff...so memorable, I can't even remember the basic chorus).
Funny how I can remember that rainy day back in 1986 when I almost chucked that tape as far as I could even thinking "running must be damn boring!" LOL!
Still think the album is worth it for the three songs I mentioned above, though. Oh yeah, did I mention the great artwork? HAAAAA!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes Brian (you fucking dummy .....) Even I admit the first 5 Iron Maiden albums are totally excellent and yes some of them,not all but some of them are better than Saxon's albums. But the point is....Iron Maiden nowadays will never catch Saxon. Saxon is writting thier best material and Maiden are writting thier worst and that is a fact from an overwhelming %percentage of fan's opinions(like probably 95%) you'll have to live with.
Thats why Saxon is up 15 to 4 here. They are voting for the current Saxon,not the sillyish Saxon from the 80's. Its mother fucking "SAD" that a band like Maiden can sell out arenas that Saxon can't yet when asked about comparing albums in quality the same Maiden fans that bought the tickets vote for Saxon? Its sad man.
Iron Maiden are living off thier first 5 studio albums( JUST LIKE SHITALLICA) while Saxon are living off thier current albums which are better than Iron Maiden's last 10 studio albums......"10" albums man....... not 1,2,3,4,5.......10!!!!!
All these people who voted for Saxon are voting for them because of Saxon's last 8 studio LPs dating back 16 years to Dogs Of War. So this shows the last 16 years and counting Saxon totally blows Iron Maiden out of the water.
Now if the thread were Saxon and Iron Maiden showdown just from the 1980's alone I would vote for Iron Maiden hands down,all Iron Maiden albums from the 1980's blows all Saxon albums from the 1980's away. But thats what is sad,this again shows how much better Saxon is now-a-days from a percentage of people's votes.
These people that go to Maiden's concerts that sell out 60,000 thousand fans just to see Maiden on a whopping percentage are not buying the tickets to hear El Dorado or any Maiden album after Seventh Son,they are buying the tickets to hear songs from 1980 debut "Iron maiden" ,Killers,The Number Of The Beast,Piece Of Mind,Powerslave,Somewhere In Time (yuk but fans like it better than thier nu stuff) and Seventh Son albums.
People are tired of getting watered down material from Iron Maiden,even Bruce's last 3 solo albums "Accident Of Birth,The Chemical Wedding and Tyranny Of Souls" blows all modern day Maiden albums out of the water,but its Bruce not Steve Harris.
And these people who voted here are not being "biased they are giving credit to Saxon for out-writting Iron Maiden in song quality. They are not just voting for Saxon to piss you off,they are sick of Steve Harris and thats what it boils down to. Steve Harris has ruined Iron Maiden and has since 1990.
The Number Of The Beast,Killers and Piece Of mind....these 3 albums are classics and even I will admit that even the best Saxon album Lionheart to me can't top it,thats how cool this band used to be. I was an Iron Maiden fan before you were born as I started liking them in 1982 when I bought The number Of The Beast and have been nothing but disappointed from 1990 till now...thats 21 years.
I do think the debut album "Iron Maiden" and "Powerslave" are excellent but they to me are just barely not as good as Lionheart and The Inner Sanctum,but its close.
However I still do like A Matter Of life And Death. Maybe you should of titled the thread "1980's Iron Maiden or 1980's Saxon"...instead,then Maiden woiuld be up 20 to 0!
(Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Tuesday, April 05, 2011 12:20:58 PM)
Brian_Evans wrote:
Since I'm the one who created this thread just thought I might comment on the situation here. I'm not shocked at the results so far because of biased opinions but I am a little suprised at the low support for Maiden, although it's still too early to declare the winner based on so few votes. I respect all the opinions here ...well almost all the opinions ...lol. Even if some don't like Maidens recent cd's Jimmyjames made an excellent point that Maidens early cd's alone set the bar so high that their basically out of Saxons reach and thats a total slam dunk in my opinion....Ka chunk!! And that "up the saxons" comment is pretty lame and cheesy sounding ...lol! ...but give some credit where credit is due to Saxon for playing classic metal and putting up a decent fight so far even though it's still early.
Up The Irons!!!!!
Edited at: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 12:44:46 PM
Edited at: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:40:26 PM
Edited at: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:44:53 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, April 06, 2011 3:12:37 AM
I couldn't agree more Guido! For me Somewhere In Time "SUCKS". When this piece of shit album came out I was pissed off because I bought the god damn thing. I was 100% totally "butt-hurt". I was aching for a Powerslave follow up and this crap came out of my speakers? Fuckin "LAME"!!!! And yeah the current Saxon fuckin wastes the current Maiden,no question. Like I said before,the 1980's Iron maiden blows away the 1980's Saxon. Killers,The Number Of The Beast and Piece Of mind are the 3 albums that are hard to beat,however I think Lionheart and The Inner Sanctum can stand up against the 1980 debut album "Iron Maiden" and Powerslave as well.
And Metallian.....how can you not like Painkiller anymore?? Arrghhh as much as I get sick of hearing about it,I still LOVE the album hands down. Victoria and I just listened to this entire LP the other day for the billianth time and it keeps getting better and better!!! "SIGH" to each his own,except for Brian_Evans (the shithead).
And to that jerk off loser in the Iron Maiden discussion thread...this is not to Guido............Yes I'm posting it here......yes I do like 'A Matter Of life And Death" but its nowhere near the early 80's albums and nowhere even near the current Saxon albums,no where near!!! You want me off the fence? Come and try and knock me off of it I dare ya HAHA!!! I'd break that hand of yours so quick you'd never be able to put on another shitty Iron Maiden album again LOL!!!! Here is a finger not to Guido but to that little boy who comes here because the Iron Maiden forum charges $60.00 bucks a year to be a forum member?
Ya know, J.D., while I hate posting anything in this troll's fucking thread, the IM discussion points you raise here are pretty darn accurate. Just coming in from the afternoon run and seeing your comment about "Somewhere in Time" prompted me to pull out the LP itself (shame not to have the art of an LP!). I distinctly remember how sad I was when it came out. While I still think "Caught Somewhere in Time", "Wasted Years" and even "Deja-Vu" are absolute GEMS and, for that reason alone (plus the art...WAY cool to try and find all the hidden messages) the album is priceless, I also temper that comment with how lame and - even worse - PREDICTABLE the rest of the songs were IMO. Worst? The absolutely lame, long and drawn-out "Lonliness of the Long Distance Runner!!" I was bopping around Chicago when this album came out. The three songs I mentioned above really caught my attention but the rest were pretty blah. "Try again," I think, so went for a nice long walk with the cassette in my ears. GAWD, I almost whipped that tape into Lake Michigan just because of that one song! LOL! While I absolutely loved Maiden before it, I really felt like a "Stranger in a Strange Land" (booooring) and far from "Alexander the Great" (pffff...so memorable, I can't even remember the basic chorus).
Funny how I can remember that rainy day back in 1986 when I almost chucked that tape as far as I could even thinking "running must be damn boring!" LOL!
Still think the album is worth it for the three songs I mentioned above, though. Oh yeah, did I mention the great artwork? HAAAAA!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes Brian (you fucking dummy .....) Even I admit the first 5 Iron Maiden albums are totally excellent and yes some of them,not all but some of them are better than Saxon's albums. But the point is....Iron Maiden nowadays will never catch Saxon. Saxon is writting thier best material and Maiden are writting thier worst and that is a fact from an overwhelming %percentage of fan's opinions(like probably 95%) you'll have to live with.
Thats why Saxon is up 15 to 4 here. They are voting for the current Saxon,not the sillyish Saxon from the 80's. Its mother fucking "SAD" that a band like Maiden can sell out arenas that Saxon can't yet when asked about comparing albums in quality the same Maiden fans that bought the tickets vote for Saxon? Its sad man.
Iron Maiden are living off thier first 5 studio albums( JUST LIKE SHITALLICA) while Saxon are living off thier current albums which are better than Iron Maiden's last 10 studio albums......"10" albums man....... not 1,2,3,4,5.......10!!!!!
All these people who voted for Saxon are voting for them because of Saxon's last 8 studio LPs dating back 16 years to Dogs Of War. So this shows the last 16 years and counting Saxon totally blows Iron Maiden out of the water.
Now if the thread were Saxon and Iron Maiden showdown just from the 1980's alone I would vote for Iron Maiden hands down,all Iron Maiden albums from the 1980's blows all Saxon albums from the 1980's away. But thats what is sad,this again shows how much better Saxon is now-a-days from a percentage of people's votes.
These people that go to Maiden's concerts that sell out 60,000 thousand fans just to see Maiden on a whopping percentage are not buying the tickets to hear El Dorado or any Maiden album after Seventh Son,they are buying the tickets to hear songs from 1980 debut "Iron maiden" ,Killers,The Number Of The Beast,Piece Of Mind,Powerslave,Somewhere In Time (yuk but fans like it better than thier nu stuff) and Seventh Son albums.
People are tired of getting watered down material from Iron Maiden,even Bruce's last 3 solo albums "Accident Of Birth,The Chemical Wedding and Tyranny Of Souls" blows all modern day Maiden albums out of the water,but its Bruce not Steve Harris.
And these people who voted here are not being "biased they are giving credit to Saxon for out-writting Iron Maiden in song quality. They are not just voting for Saxon to piss you off,they are sick of Steve Harris and thats what it boils down to. Steve Harris has ruined Iron Maiden and has since 1990.
The Number Of The Beast,Killers and Piece Of mind....these 3 albums are classics and even I will admit that even the best Saxon album Lionheart to me can't top it,thats how cool this band used to be. I was an Iron Maiden fan before you were born as I started liking them in 1982 when I bought The number Of The Beast and have been nothing but disappointed from 1990 till now...thats 21 years.
I do think the debut album "Iron Maiden" and "Powerslave" are excellent but they to me are just barely not as good as Lionheart and The Inner Sanctum,but its close.
However I still do like A Matter Of life And Death. Maybe you should of titled the thread "1980's Iron Maiden or 1980's Saxon"...instead,then Maiden woiuld be up 20 to 0!
(Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Tuesday, April 05, 2011 12:20:58 PM)
Brian_Evans wrote:
Since I'm the one who created this thread just thought I might comment on the situation here. I'm not shocked at the results so far because of biased opinions but I am a little suprised at the low support for Maiden, although it's still too early to declare the winner based on so few votes. I respect all the opinions here ...well almost all the opinions ...lol. Even if some don't like Maidens recent cd's Jimmyjames made an excellent point that Maidens early cd's alone set the bar so high that their basically out of Saxons reach and thats a total slam dunk in my opinion....Ka chunk!! And that "up the saxons" comment is pretty lame and cheesy sounding ...lol! ...but give some credit where credit is due to Saxon for playing classic metal and putting up a decent fight so far even though it's still early.
Up The Irons!!!!!
Edited at: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 12:44:46 PM
Edited at: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:40:26 PM
Edited at: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 3:17:11 AM
[guidogodoy] Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:36:53 PM
Heh. While I think you mean the Island of MISFIT toys, it is a funny to think of "No Prayer" hanging out with ol' "Charlie-in-the-box."
So, to put this thread back on track? Current Saxon pwns current Maiden!
I agree,i remember being saddened by the release of Somewhere in Time too!
After that blow to us metalheads with Turbo ( I bought it April 3rd 1986),i kept thinking,maybe there is hope with the Maiden release,well, i thought wrong!
1986 was the end of metal as we knew it back then!
It was the big hair and glitter shit,man ol man,what a depressin time that was!
Metallica was the only thing in 86 that feed my metal hunger,but,i could feel there was a turn for the worst comin,and it did!
By the early 90's all my favorite Metal bands went to shit,then came Grunge!UUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH!FUCK!
Most people got all excited about Painkiller,well,i liked it at first,better than No Prayer by Maiden that is for sure!
But now,i don't really care for Painkiller anymore!
No Prayer,well,that is downstairs in the box of reject cd's,just like the island for reject toys on that christmas show!!
LOFL!
Cheers everybody!
Rock Hard Ride Free!
The Master of all fucking Music!
The Metallian!
Sorry for kind of going off topic!
(Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:11:03 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Ya know, J.D., while I hate posting anything in this troll's fucking thread, the IM discussion points you raise here are pretty darn accurate. Just coming in from the afternoon run and seeing your comment about "Somewhere in Time" prompted me to pull out the LP itself (shame not to have the art of an LP!). I distinctly remember how sad I was when it came out. While I still think "Caught Somewhere in Time", "Wasted Years" and even "Deja-Vu" are absolute GEMS and, for that reason alone (plus the art...WAY cool to try and find all the hidden messages) the album is priceless, I also temper that comment with how lame and - even worse - PREDICTABLE the rest of the songs were IMO. Worst? The absolutely lame, long and drawn-out "Lonliness of the Long Distance Runner!!" I was bopping around Chicago when this album came out. The three songs I mentioned above really caught my attention but the rest were pretty blah. "Try again," I think, so went for a nice long walk with the cassette in my ears. GAWD, I almost whipped that tape into Lake Michigan just because of that one song! LOL! While I absolutely loved Maiden before it, I really felt like a "Stranger in a Strange Land" (booooring) and far from "Alexander the Great" (pffff...so memorable, I can't even remember the basic chorus).
Funny how I can remember that rainy day back in 1986 when I almost chucked that tape as far as I could even thinking "running must be damn boring!" LOL!
Still think the album is worth it for the three songs I mentioned above, though. Oh yeah, did I mention the great artwork? HAAAAA!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes Brian (you fucking dummy .....) Even I admit the first 5 Iron Maiden albums are totally excellent and yes some of them,not all but some of them are better than Saxon's albums. But the point is....Iron Maiden nowadays will never catch Saxon. Saxon is writting thier best material and Maiden are writting thier worst and that is a fact from an overwhelming %percentage of fan's opinions(like probably 95%) you'll have to live with.
Thats why Saxon is up 15 to 4 here. They are voting for the current Saxon,not the sillyish Saxon from the 80's. Its mother fucking "SAD" that a band like Maiden can sell out arenas that Saxon can't yet when asked about comparing albums in quality the same Maiden fans that bought the tickets vote for Saxon? Its sad man.
Iron Maiden are living off thier first 5 studio albums( JUST LIKE SHITALLICA) while Saxon are living off thier current albums which are better than Iron Maiden's last 10 studio albums......"10" albums man....... not 1,2,3,4,5.......10!!!!!
All these people who voted for Saxon are voting for them because of Saxon's last 8 studio LPs dating back 16 years to Dogs Of War. So this shows the last 16 years and counting Saxon totally blows Iron Maiden out of the water.
Now if the thread were Saxon and Iron Maiden showdown just from the 1980's alone I would vote for Iron Maiden hands down,all Iron Maiden albums from the 1980's blows all Saxon albums from the 1980's away. But thats what is sad,this again shows how much better Saxon is now-a-days from a percentage of people's votes.
These people that go to Maiden's concerts that sell out 60,000 thousand fans just to see Maiden on a whopping percentage are not buying the tickets to hear El Dorado or any Maiden album after Seventh Son,they are buying the tickets to hear songs from 1980 debut "Iron maiden" ,Killers,The Number Of The Beast,Piece Of Mind,Powerslave,Somewhere In Time (yuk but fans like it better than thier nu stuff) and Seventh Son albums.
People are tired of getting watered down material from Iron Maiden,even Bruce's last 3 solo albums "Accident Of Birth,The Chemical Wedding and Tyranny Of Souls" blows all modern day Maiden albums out of the water,but its Bruce not Steve Harris.
And these people who voted here are not being "biased they are giving credit to Saxon for out-writting Iron Maiden in song quality. They are not just voting for Saxon to piss you off,they are sick of Steve Harris and thats what it boils down to. Steve Harris has ruined Iron Maiden and has since 1990.
The Number Of The Beast,Killers and Piece Of mind....these 3 albums are classics and even I will admit that even the best Saxon album Lionheart to me can't top it,thats how cool this band used to be. I was an Iron Maiden fan before you were born as I started liking them in 1982 when I bought The number Of The Beast and have been nothing but disappointed from 1990 till now...thats 21 years.
I do think the debut album "Iron Maiden" and "Powerslave" are excellent but they to me are just barely not as good as Lionheart and The Inner Sanctum,but its close.
However I still do like A Matter Of life And Death. Maybe you should of titled the thread "1980's Iron Maiden or 1980's Saxon"...instead,then Maiden woiuld be up 20 to 0!
(Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Tuesday, April 05, 2011 12:20:58 PM)
Brian_Evans wrote:
Since I'm the one who created this thread just thought I might comment on the situation here. I'm not shocked at the results so far because of biased opinions but I am a little suprised at the low support for Maiden, although it's still too early to declare the winner based on so few votes. I respect all the opinions here ...well almost all the opinions ...lol. Even if some don't like Maidens recent cd's Jimmyjames made an excellent point that Maidens early cd's alone set the bar so high that their basically out of Saxons reach and thats a total slam dunk in my opinion....Ka chunk!! And that "up the saxons" comment is pretty lame and cheesy sounding ...lol! ...but give some credit where credit is due to Saxon for playing classic metal and putting up a decent fight so far even though it's still early.
Up The Irons!!!!!
Edited at: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 12:44:46 PM
Edited at: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:40:26 PM
Edited at: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:45:57 PM Edited at: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:54:37 PM
[The Metallian] Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:45:13 PM
I agree,i remember being saddened by the release of Somewhere in Time too!
After that blow to us metalheads with Turbo ( I bought it April 3rd 1986),i kept thinking,maybe there is hope with the Maiden release,well, i thought wrong!
1986 was the end of metal as we knew it back then!
It was the big hair and glitter shit,man ol man,what a depressin time that was!
Metallica was the only thing in 86 that feed my metal hunger,but,i could feel there was a turn for the worst comin,and it did!
By the early 90's all my favorite Metal bands went to shit,then came Grunge!UUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH!FUCK!
Most people got all excited about Painkiller,well,i liked it at first,better than No Prayer by Maiden that is for sure!
But now,i don't really care for Painkiller anymore!
No Prayer,well,that is downstairs in the box of reject cd's,just like the island for reject toys on that christmas show!!
LOFL!
Cheers everybody!
Rock Hard Ride Free!
Ya know, J.D., while I hate posting anything in this troll's fucking thread, the IM discussion points you raise here are pretty darn accurate. Just coming in from the afternoon run and seeing your comment about "Somewhere in Time" prompted me to pull out the LP itself (shame not to have the art of an LP!). I distinctly remember how sad I was when it came out. While I still think "Caught Somewhere in Time", "Wasted Years" and even "Deja-Vu" are absolute GEMS and, for that reason alone (plus the art...WAY cool to try and find all the hidden messages) the album is priceless, I also temper that comment with how lame and - even worse - PREDICTABLE the rest of the songs were IMO. Worst? The absolutely lame, long and drawn-out "Lonliness of the Long Distance Runner!!" I was bopping around Chicago when this album came out. The three songs I mentioned above really caught my attention but the rest were pretty blah. "Try again," I think, so went for a nice long walk with the cassette in my ears. GAWD, I almost whipped that tape into Lake Michigan just because of that one song! LOL! While I absolutely loved Maiden before it, I really felt like a "Stranger in a Strange Land" (booooring) and far from "Alexander the Great" (pffff...so memorable, I can't even remember the basic chorus).
Funny how I can remember that rainy day back in 1986 when I almost chucked that tape as far as I could even thinking "running must be damn boring!" LOL!
Still think the album is worth it for the three songs I mentioned above, though. Oh yeah, did I mention the great artwork? HAAAAA!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes Brian (you fucking dummy .....) Even I admit the first 5 Iron Maiden albums are totally excellent and yes some of them,not all but some of them are better than Saxon's albums. But the point is....Iron Maiden nowadays will never catch Saxon. Saxon is writting thier best material and Maiden are writting thier worst and that is a fact from an overwhelming %percentage of fan's opinions(like probably 95%) you'll have to live with.
Thats why Saxon is up 15 to 4 here. They are voting for the current Saxon,not the sillyish Saxon from the 80's. Its mother fucking "SAD" that a band like Maiden can sell out arenas that Saxon can't yet when asked about comparing albums in quality the same Maiden fans that bought the tickets vote for Saxon? Its sad man.
Iron Maiden are living off thier first 5 studio albums( JUST LIKE SHITALLICA) while Saxon are living off thier current albums which are better than Iron Maiden's last 10 studio albums......"10" albums man....... not 1,2,3,4,5.......10!!!!!
All these people who voted for Saxon are voting for them because of Saxon's last 8 studio LPs dating back 16 years to Dogs Of War. So this shows the last 16 years and counting Saxon totally blows Iron Maiden out of the water.
Now if the thread were Saxon and Iron Maiden showdown just from the 1980's alone I would vote for Iron Maiden hands down,all Iron Maiden albums from the 1980's blows all Saxon albums from the 1980's away. But thats what is sad,this again shows how much better Saxon is now-a-days from a percentage of people's votes.
These people that go to Maiden's concerts that sell out 60,000 thousand fans just to see Maiden on a whopping percentage are not buying the tickets to hear El Dorado or any Maiden album after Seventh Son,they are buying the tickets to hear songs from 1980 debut "Iron maiden" ,Killers,The Number Of The Beast,Piece Of Mind,Powerslave,Somewhere In Time (yuk but fans like it better than thier nu stuff) and Seventh Son albums.
People are tired of getting watered down material from Iron Maiden,even Bruce's last 3 solo albums "Accident Of Birth,The Chemical Wedding and Tyranny Of Souls" blows all modern day Maiden albums out of the water,but its Bruce not Steve Harris.
And these people who voted here are not being "biased they are giving credit to Saxon for out-writting Iron Maiden in song quality. They are not just voting for Saxon to piss you off,they are sick of Steve Harris and thats what it boils down to. Steve Harris has ruined Iron Maiden and has since 1990.
The Number Of The Beast,Killers and Piece Of mind....these 3 albums are classics and even I will admit that even the best Saxon album Lionheart to me can't top it,thats how cool this band used to be. I was an Iron Maiden fan before you were born as I started liking them in 1982 when I bought The number Of The Beast and have been nothing but disappointed from 1990 till now...thats 21 years.
I do think the debut album "Iron Maiden" and "Powerslave" are excellent but they to me are just barely not as good as Lionheart and The Inner Sanctum,but its close.
However I still do like A Matter Of life And Death. Maybe you should of titled the thread "1980's Iron Maiden or 1980's Saxon"...instead,then Maiden woiuld be up 20 to 0!
(Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Tuesday, April 05, 2011 12:20:58 PM)
Brian_Evans wrote:
Since I'm the one who created this thread just thought I might comment on the situation here. I'm not shocked at the results so far because of biased opinions but I am a little suprised at the low support for Maiden, although it's still too early to declare the winner based on so few votes. I respect all the opinions here ...well almost all the opinions ...lol. Even if some don't like Maidens recent cd's Jimmyjames made an excellent point that Maidens early cd's alone set the bar so high that their basically out of Saxons reach and thats a total slam dunk in my opinion....Ka chunk!! And that "up the saxons" comment is pretty lame and cheesy sounding ...lol! ...but give some credit where credit is due to Saxon for playing classic metal and putting up a decent fight so far even though it's still early.
Up The Irons!!!!!
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This bad boy classic metal track would easily shut down Saxon.
shows the bold face reality of how inferior they are to Maiden! lmao
"BOLD FACE FACT"!!! 
