this album is awsome to say the least!  JP have taken Heavey Metal music and music-craftmanship to a new level! Certainly the best album they have ever done  

This album is written as  a biography of the prophecies of NOSTRADAMUS

I am 46 and have been listening to Priest since the beginning.

In my opinion, a lot of "new" metal is just not that good.  Maybe because I got used to a certain sound in the 70s and 80s but currently I hear the same ol' same ol' over and over.  So, just when I thought nothing new could possibly come along, Judas Priest puts out a totally new sounding album and I LOVE it!  This is a turning point, not just for the band but for the genre of Metal.  Halford's voice is perfect, especially for a guy who is exactly ten years older than I!

Hail the Metal Gods!

Notradamus was a French philosopher, doctor and a prophet. I think that's why there's some French in a part of the album.

"Why did they do this?"
Hell if I know. 
I understand unhappy fans who vent. Especially in the heat.

You are not an unhappy fan. You're just another dude with enough money in his hands to splurge on tattoos but bitching at how much it cost to buy a cd of his favorite band and so he goes on a tirade of how bad the music is and wondering if he can recoup some of the money spent buying Nostradamus because he doesn't think it's Judas Priest. Though he lurves Turbo and thinks Maiden's Matter of Life and Death is "the best since 1988."


You wouldn't know great metal if it hit you over the head in the shape of a lead sinker.

		The original Metallian wrote:
		Hi, everybody - I haven't posted anything anywhere in so many years...the last time was when Halford was roaming around with Two and I used to post on the Two boards under my nickname "metallian" (hence my new name here). What drove me to post again after so many years is the need to vent after listening to Nostradamus. What the f**k where they thinking??? I have SO many feelings about this album, none of them are positive: anger, frustration, dissapointment. I HATE Nostradamus with all my guts. I think it is an insult to the fans. I am 38 years old, I have been listening to metal since I was 8. I have Judas' cross tattooed on my right arm, so I am not exactly a casual fan. I am no "head banger-or-die" either - I love Dream Theater, Queensryche, Maiden and I also like Queen, Pink Floyd, old school jazz (Charlie Parker, Marsalis, Satchmo, West Montgomery, etc). So, all labels apart for us who dislike the album, I think it is horrible. When I want Priest, I want Priest. This is not Priest. I love Painkiller, but I also like Turbo or Point of Entry. Every single previous album was Priest. This is crap. I have burned myself a Nostradamus compilation with the stuff that I like and I came up with an 8 song, 47 minutes album. I will sell the CD as soon as I can, in order to recoup something out of it (in a couple of months the word will be out and the CD will cost $ 0.99). This will be the first time I don't own a Priest album (I even have bootlegs) I just don't understand! You don't need to completely change your style and thow your escence away in order to make a conceptual album. What's more, I don't recall any band doing that (Queensryche's OM, Dream Theater's Metropolis 2, Gamma Ray's Land of the Free - they all stuck to their guns). Sme bands some have even released the best albums in their careers when they went for the conceptual. It is not that Judas' members are old either. Maiden's Matter of Life and death (another conceptual, BTW) was their best album since 1988. Megadeth's last 2 are their best since Countdown to extinction. WHY DID THEY DO THIS?!?!?!?!?!

Rock on dude Thats how i feel ilike about 5 tracks,:If that's my destiny than it ought to be so he'll face Future! They will play what we want to hear in concert, I think its what he wants to do next they are not getting any younger!

		Head banger wrote:
		I made no coment on hittler or mugabe.  I think if mugabe could, he might be as bad as hitler, but its the wrong thread.  both are or were shitheads I dont know if your a casual fan or not, I made a general coment, in reply to someone else.  I observed that there are rabid fans who would say its their best work if rob played the drums, Ian sang, kk played a tamborine...   me, its ok, not great.  Its what they wanted.  thats why I like them.        metalmaz wrote: So because I don't like Nostradamus I'm a casual fan then? I never said they've "lost their way."  I don't expect them to stay the same. Maiden are making the best music ever 25 years on. So are Megadeth and Saxon. But just becaue I don't stick my nose up Priest's arse and say all their releases are the best music ever , doesn't  mean I don't love them.  And I say the same about many other bands I love such as Maiden, Saxon, Rush etc. They've all released sub standard albums.  And the ones I may think as sub standard, other people like. I respect their beliefs, even if I don't agree with them  What I was trying to highlight is the idiots who tore into the fans who made negative remarks about Nostradamus. I was talking about them and not Priest fans. But you're not intelligent enought to work that out . The point about Mugabe (tongue in cheek) was a reaction to the venom of some of the people  who really laid into them.  However if you think that that Mugabe quip makes me worse than Hitler, you can't think Hitler is that bad?  Have you actually met any Jews or seen some of the programmes about the death camps. Were you dropped on your head as a baby? bShow/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, June 30, 2008 1:17:02 PM)   Head banger wrote:   I agree.  Thats probably the biggest priest success, and their biggest failure, the variety.  the rabid die hard fan will buy anything they do.  the casual fan, isnt guaranteed to like everything.  someone like me, a "solid" fan, who loves the band, will buy most things they put out, but not everything. I dont like Rocka rolla.  lots of fans dont like turbo, but to me, the fact that they branch out, grow and evolve is why I like them the most. they didnt change to folow a trend, or to make money, they changed because they wanted to.      Bullet- wrote:   Here's the thing.  Judas Priest has made albums that were a product of what they were experiencing and writing at the time.  Each album is distinctly different from all their previous work.  It can be  frustrating as a fan and some lose interest with the new directions.  I personally didn't like the albums that were written with a specific market in mind (Point of Entry for the US and Turbo for pop metal).  The thing is, they challenge their fans to broaden their thinking on what metal is and where it can go.  People can criticize the  Nostradamus all they like.  I've heard people say it's too long, that it's boring, that the production and sound are sub par.  All of these things are valid for a band whose objective was to sell as many albums as possible.  I'm guessing that all of the objections raised on this board and others were raised inside Epic records before release.  It looks like the band got their way this time because of their success in the past. So we have Nostradamus, a bold new direction for the band.  Like always, some fans will hate it and some will love it.  The ones who love it will defend it like it was one of their children.  I personally love the album and admire the band for taking a risk where they could have easily churned out another Painkiller or Angel and cashed cheques.  For those that don't like the album, fine, listen to British Steel and lament about how JP has lost its way.  Better yet, go out and buy the album of more "reliable" artists, like ACDC, Def Leppard and Aerosmith.  Just don't think that you are the only person that really knows about the quality of the album.  Mugabe supporters? Anybody that says that about Judas Priest supporters is worse than Hitler. Edited at: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:27:53 PM Edited at: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:34:54 PM Edited at: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:39:23 PM

I made no coment on hittler or mugabe.  I think if mugabe could, he might be as bad as hitler, but its the wrong thread.  both are or were shitheads


I dont know if your a casual fan or not, I made a general coment, in reply to someone else.  I observed that there are rabid fans who would say its their best work if rob played the drums, Ian sang, kk played a tamborine...   me, its ok, not great.  Its what they wanted.  thats why I like them.

		metalmaz wrote:
		So because I don't like Nostradamus I'm a casual fan then? I never said they've "lost their way."  I don't expect them to stay the same. Maiden are making the best music ever 25 years on. So are Megadeth and Saxon. But just becaue I don't stick my nose up Priest's arse and say all their releases are the best music ever , doesn't  mean I don't love them.  And I say the same about many other bands I love such as Maiden, Saxon, Rush etc. They've all released sub standard albums.  And the ones I may think as sub standard, other people like. I respect their beliefs, even if I don't agree with them  What I was trying to highlight is the idiots who tore into the fans who made negative remarks about Nostradamus. I was talking about them and not Priest fans. But you're not intelligent enought to work that out . The point about Mugabe (tongue in cheek) was a reaction to the venom of some of the people  who really laid into them.  However if you think that that Mugabe quip makes me worse than Hitler, you can't think Hitler is that bad?  Have you actually met any Jews or seen some of the programmes about the death camps. Were you dropped on your head as a baby? bShow/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, June 30, 2008 1:17:02 PM)   Head banger wrote:   I agree.  Thats probably the biggest priest success, and their biggest failure, the variety.  the rabid die hard fan will buy anything they do.  the casual fan, isnt guaranteed to like everything.  someone like me, a "solid" fan, who loves the band, will buy most things they put out, but not everything. I dont like Rocka rolla.  lots of fans dont like turbo, but to me, the fact that they branch out, grow and evolve is why I like them the most. they didnt change to folow a trend, or to make money, they changed because they wanted to.      Bullet- wrote:   Here's the thing.  Judas Priest has made albums that were a product of what they were experiencing and writing at the time.  Each album is distinctly different from all their previous work.  It can be  frustrating as a fan and some lose interest with the new directions.  I personally didn't like the albums that were written with a specific market in mind (Point of Entry for the US and Turbo for pop metal).  The thing is, they challenge their fans to broaden their thinking on what metal is and where it can go.  People can criticize the  Nostradamus all they like.  I've heard people say it's too long, that it's boring, that the production and sound are sub par.  All of these things are valid for a band whose objective was to sell as many albums as possible.  I'm guessing that all of the objections raised on this board and others were raised inside Epic records before release.  It looks like the band got their way this time because of their success in the past. So we have Nostradamus, a bold new direction for the band.  Like always, some fans will hate it and some will love it.  The ones who love it will defend it like it was one of their children.  I personally love the album and admire the band for taking a risk where they could have easily churned out another Painkiller or Angel and cashed cheques.  For those that don't like the album, fine, listen to British Steel and lament about how JP has lost its way.  Better yet, go out and buy the album of more "reliable" artists, like ACDC, Def Leppard and Aerosmith.  Just don't think that you are the only person that really knows about the quality of the album.  Mugabe supporters? Anybody that says that about Judas Priest supporters is worse than Hitler. Edited at: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:27:53 PM Edited at: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:34:54 PM Edited at: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:39:23 PM

So because I don't like Nostradamus I'm a casual fan then?


I never said they've "lost their way."  I don't expect them to stay the same. Maiden are making the best music ever 25 years on. So are Megadeth and Saxon. But just becaue I don't stick my nose up Priest's arse and say all their releases are the best music ever , doesn't  mean I don't love them.  And I say the same about many other bands I love such as Maiden, Saxon, Rush etc. They've all released sub standard albums.  And the ones I may think as sub standard, other people like. I respect their beliefs, even if I don't agree with them 

What I was trying to highlight is the idiots who tore into the fans who made negative remarks about Nostradamus. I was talking about them and not Priest fans. But you're not intelligent enought to work that out .

The point about Mugabe (tongue in cheek) was a reaction to the venom of some of the people  who really laid into them. 

However if you think that that Mugabe quip makes me worse than Hitler, you can't think Hitler is that bad?  Have you actually met any Jews or seen some of the programmes about the death camps. Were you dropped on your head as a baby?



bShow/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, June 30, 2008 1:17:02 PM)

		Head banger wrote:
		I agree.  Thats probably the biggest priest success, and their biggest failure, the variety.  the rabid die hard fan will buy anything they do.  the casual fan, isnt guaranteed to like everything.  someone like me, a "solid" fan, who loves the band, will buy most things they put out, but not everything. I dont like Rocka rolla.  lots of fans dont like turbo, but to me, the fact that they branch out, grow and evolve is why I like them the most. they didnt change to folow a trend, or to make money, they changed because they wanted to.      Bullet- wrote:   Here's the thing.  Judas Priest has made albums that were a product of what they were experiencing and writing at the time.  Each album is distinctly different from all their previous work.  It can be  frustrating as a fan and some lose interest with the new directions.  I personally didn't like the albums that were written with a specific market in mind (Point of Entry for the US and Turbo for pop metal).  The thing is, they challenge their fans to broaden their thinking on what metal is and where it can go.  People can criticize the  Nostradamus all they like.  I've heard people say it's too long, that it's boring, that the production and sound are sub par.  All of these things are valid for a band whose objective was to sell as many albums as possible.  I'm guessing that all of the objections raised on this board and others were raised inside Epic records before release.  It looks like the band got their way this time because of their success in the past. So we have Nostradamus, a bold new direction for the band.  Like always, some fans will hate it and some will love it.  The ones who love it will defend it like it was one of their children.  I personally love the album and admire the band for taking a risk where they could have easily churned out another Painkiller or Angel and cashed cheques.  For those that don't like the album, fine, listen to British Steel and lament about how JP has lost its way.  Better yet, go out and buy the album of more "reliable" artists, like ACDC, Def Leppard and Aerosmith.  Just don't think that you are the only person that really knows about the quality of the album.  Mugabe supporters? Anybody that says that about Judas Priest supporters is worse than Hitler.

I agree.  Thats probably the biggest priest success, and their biggest failure, the variety.  the rabid die hard fan will buy anything they do.  the casual fan, isnt guaranteed to like everything.  someone like me, a "solid" fan, who loves the band, will buy most things they put out, but not everything.
I dont like Rocka rolla.  lots of fans dont like turbo, but to me, the fact that they branch out, grow and evolve is why I like them the most.
they didnt change to folow a trend, or to make money, they changed because they wanted to.

		Bullet- wrote:
		Here's the thing.  Judas Priest has made albums that were a product of what they were experiencing and writing at the time.  Each album is distinctly different from all their previous work.  It can be  frustrating as a fan and some lose interest with the new directions.  I personally didn't like the albums that were written with a specific market in mind (Point of Entry for the US and Turbo for pop metal).  The thing is, they challenge their fans to broaden their thinking on what metal is and where it can go.  People can criticize the  Nostradamus all they like.  I've heard people say it's too long, that it's boring, that the production and sound are sub par.  All of these things are valid for a band whose objective was to sell as many albums as possible.  I'm guessing that all of the objections raised on this board and others were raised inside Epic records before release.  It looks like the band got their way this time because of their success in the past. So we have Nostradamus, a bold new direction for the band.  Like always, some fans will hate it and some will love it.  The ones who love it will defend it like it was one of their children.  I personally love the album and admire the band for taking a risk where they could have easily churned out another Painkiller or Angel and cashed cheques.  For those that don't like the album, fine, listen to British Steel and lament about how JP has lost its way.  Better yet, go out and buy the album of more "reliable" artists, like ACDC, Def Leppard and Aerosmith.  Just don't think that you are the only person that really knows about the quality of the album.  Mugabe supporters? Anybody that says that about Judas Priest supporters is worse than Hitler.