HERE'S HOPING EVERYONE THAT'S ELIGIBLE TO VOTE IN THIS COUNTRY DOES SO.........
REMEMBER...YA' CAN'T COMPLAIN,IF YOU DON'T VOTE!...

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OK THEN...NOW STOP IT,YOURE MAKIN' ME ALL MISTY-EYED...

		MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
		Aaaawwww Soy you know you are still my little LOONIE.....  who loves ya baby......   I do............. HUgs  MG~      Soylentgreen4u wrote:  "NOW JUST WHAT THE HELL IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?"...(OMG I THOUGHT I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT)........WHYYYYYYYYYYYY OHHHHH WHYYYYYY MUST YOU BE SOOOOOOO GODDAMN MEAN TO ME?!!!!!!.....      MG_Metalgoddess wrote: I must now agree with SOY.. ( OMG i thought i would never say that)    Now living in Canada I enjoy not having to deal with the day to riddles of these selfish people and thier lives, that are in politics in the USA..  Its to bad that they have choosen two DOLTS.. to have to plaster on television to decide who is going to run that crumbling country,   Iam sorry but sean Hannity has more secrets to hide than Obama or Mcain.. He twists facts, and only presents half of the stories, leaving out almost all of the real facts.. that of which can be found on any goverment website..  I feel sorry for the USA.. Its too bad that people listen to these talking heads to make thier political decsions for them.. instead of listening to thier own hearts.  and to do what is right by family and real life values. thats it.. end of fucking list!      Healer wrote:   Mark your calendars. This will probably stir the pot….     HELLO EVERYONE: IMPORTANT INFORMATION!! Sunday 10/12/08@9pm SEAN HANNITY, OF HANNITY & COLMES ~ FOX NEWS, IS GOING TO AIR A VERY IMPORTANT DOCUMENTARY ABOUT BARACK OBAMA, SUNDAY NIGHT AT 9:00 PM. HE STATED ON THE AIR THIS EVENING THAT NO ONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA WAS WILLING TO DO THIS. HANNITY IS GOING BACK TO OBAMA'S EARLIER DAYS, SHOWING EVEN THEN HIS TIES TO RADICAL PROFESSORS, FRIENDS, SPIRITUAL ADVISERS, Etc., HE STATED THIS EVENING THAT HE WILL SHOW IN DETAIL HIS TIES TO REV. WRIGHT FOR 20+ YRS (which we all know) HOW HE WAS PARTICIPATING WITH THIS MAN, AND NOT FOR THE REASONS HE STATES! HE HAS UNCOVERED MORE OF OBAMA'S RADICAL LEADERS AND WE WILL SEE THINGS THAT NO ONE IN THE MEDIA IS WILLING TO PUT OUT THERE. THIS WILL BE A NIGHT THAT YOU WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT OBAMA THAN EVER BEFORE. HANNITY IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND ASKED THAT EVERYONE PLEASE, PLEASE WATCH~~ SUNDAY NIGHT, 9 PM. HANNITY IS DETERMINED THIS INFORMATION BE PUT OUT THERE BECAUSE AS AMERICAN'S, WE STILL DO NOT KNOW ABOUT OBAMA!! WAKE UP AMERICA !! THIS IS SERIOUS, EVERYONE. I KNOW MOST OF YOU WATCH FOX NEWS, AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE VOTING FOR, BUT IF YOU CAN, PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. THIS IS CRITICAL FOR OUR COUNTRY. MY PRAYER IS THAT WE, ALONG WITH SEAN HANNITY, WILL REACH SOMEONE/ANYONE BEFORE NOV. 4th.

Aaaawwww Soy you know you are still my little LOONIE..... 

who loves ya baby......   I do.............

HUgs 
MG~

		Soylentgreen4u wrote:
		"NOW JUST WHAT THE HELL IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?"...(OMG I THOUGHT I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT)........WHYYYYYYYYYYYY OHHHHH WHYYYYYY MUST YOU BE SOOOOOOO GODDAMN MEAN TO ME?!!!!!!.....      MG_Metalgoddess wrote: I must now agree with SOY.. ( OMG i thought i would never say that)    Now living in Canada I enjoy not having to deal with the day to riddles of these selfish people and thier lives, that are in politics in the USA..  Its to bad that they have choosen two DOLTS.. to have to plaster on television to decide who is going to run that crumbling country,   Iam sorry but sean Hannity has more secrets to hide than Obama or Mcain.. He twists facts, and only presents half of the stories, leaving out almost all of the real facts.. that of which can be found on any goverment website..  I feel sorry for the USA.. Its too bad that people listen to these talking heads to make thier political decsions for them.. instead of listening to thier own hearts.  and to do what is right by family and real life values. thats it.. end of fucking list!      Healer wrote:   Mark your calendars. This will probably stir the pot….     HELLO EVERYONE: IMPORTANT INFORMATION!! Sunday 10/12/08@9pm SEAN HANNITY, OF HANNITY & COLMES ~ FOX NEWS, IS GOING TO AIR A VERY IMPORTANT DOCUMENTARY ABOUT BARACK OBAMA, SUNDAY NIGHT AT 9:00 PM. HE STATED ON THE AIR THIS EVENING THAT NO ONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA WAS WILLING TO DO THIS. HANNITY IS GOING BACK TO OBAMA'S EARLIER DAYS, SHOWING EVEN THEN HIS TIES TO RADICAL PROFESSORS, FRIENDS, SPIRITUAL ADVISERS, Etc., HE STATED THIS EVENING THAT HE WILL SHOW IN DETAIL HIS TIES TO REV. WRIGHT FOR 20+ YRS (which we all know) HOW HE WAS PARTICIPATING WITH THIS MAN, AND NOT FOR THE REASONS HE STATES! HE HAS UNCOVERED MORE OF OBAMA'S RADICAL LEADERS AND WE WILL SEE THINGS THAT NO ONE IN THE MEDIA IS WILLING TO PUT OUT THERE. THIS WILL BE A NIGHT THAT YOU WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT OBAMA THAN EVER BEFORE. HANNITY IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND ASKED THAT EVERYONE PLEASE, PLEASE WATCH~~ SUNDAY NIGHT, 9 PM. HANNITY IS DETERMINED THIS INFORMATION BE PUT OUT THERE BECAUSE AS AMERICAN'S, WE STILL DO NOT KNOW ABOUT OBAMA!! WAKE UP AMERICA !! THIS IS SERIOUS, EVERYONE. I KNOW MOST OF YOU WATCH FOX NEWS, AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE VOTING FOR, BUT IF YOU CAN, PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. THIS IS CRITICAL FOR OUR COUNTRY. MY PRAYER IS THAT WE, ALONG WITH SEAN HANNITY, WILL REACH SOMEONE/ANYONE BEFORE NOV. 4th.

Good one...

And, d'ya remember recently...?  Some MP got in 'hot-water' for saying it like it is, but everyone has to be so PC these days that it's getting absurd.  He said, "Well, look around.  Most of the crimes being committed are not being committed by the kid who grew up next door."  Ouch.  But, it's kind of true...  more gangs in our cities that are not Canadian...

Can't even tell the truth these days. 

		Head banger wrote:
		I dont mind people doing all kinds of things, speaking what they want, but when I have to pay to have some damn govt form translated, thats crap.  if I have to fund their traditions, they must not mean much.  if it did, they would fund it.  and if their traditions include threatening the police with a machette, then get used to trial by glock.  otherwise, go somewhere beter. with all the bitching their must be places beter.      WhiskeyWoman wrote: Morning HB...  Sorry to hear of your plight last night.  Nyquil is too chemical for me...    (like to keep it natural) -- from a can (no shit).  Call me... Just commenting on your 'please speak English' subject that touches on others that we deal with here in Canada where a lot of our laws have been 'modified', to accommodate other cultures -- which should be a good thing.  But, when 'guests' come to this country demanding and expecting us to change our ways for them, it turns into something else. A few years ago, Australia caught all kinds of flak when the Prime Minister issued a statement that (loosely) said... (I've since lost the emailed speech in some pc crash, so maybe our Aussie friend's can chime in) ...  "This is our country, we will respect your cultures and religions, but you must respect ours first.  Basically, if you don't like it here, the way it is, another freedom we have -- is the right to leave."  lol...      Head banger wrote: I guess people get what they deserve.  we will elect a new minority govt on tuesday, and will acomplish nothing.  there is no way to effect change, even if that were a goal of a govt with a minority. yes, english would be nice.  I read that criminals in the states (and here too) have the right to have their trial translated into their own language.  OK, shouldnt be much of an issue.  then I read that 37 states employ translators for Klingon.  WTF?  what are the odds that someone who can speak Klingon a) found their way oyut of mommys basement to comit said crime, and b) doesnt speak english also?      Deep Freeze wrote: All very valid points, HB. I agree with you. I realize it will not happen but it certainly should. I am also against drivers that cannot read the language of the realm. If you live here, speak English (how ever poorly) and read it as well.  As for credit, let's just say that I abhor it. I loath it. It is the single most common factor in financial destruction. I should probably stop as I will get on another rant.      Head banger wrote: Ah, but then we would also need to test peoples knowledge and inteligence for such things as having children, serving on a jury.  perhaps also we could give a decent test of thoughts for credit.  no, lets not get into credit.  or driving, where do these fools get their licences, a crackerjack box?  we should periodicaly re test them too.      Deep Freeze wrote: I have made it a point to remain quiet regarding politics since my return. As we get closer to November, the rhetoric gets worse and facts become blurred by nonsense and pointless argument. The truly unfortunate fact of the matter is the public at large are the "morons", not the candidiates. The political folks simply do what they do. It is really up to the people to think about what they are doing and cast a vote accordingly. Worse, the majority of the voting public would not know an issue from a tissue and would wipe their collective butts with it ( to borrow loosely from Lou Reed) It has long been my opinion that NO ONE under thirty should be allowed to vote. (I realize the younger crowd on the Board are lighting the barbeque now to roast me) Quite frankly, EVERYONE should have to pass a civics exam prior to getting a voting card. The public, in general, have NO idea what they are doing, which is why the likes of an Obama or a Hillary get a chance in the first place. There, I said it. The system is not going to change. The word change has been tossed about all election long, like there is suddenly this revelation among the population, courtesy of some clown campaigning for office, and they all suddenly 'get it' and will forge bravely into a new future. Bah!! Not going to happen. The change is NOT needed in government, it is needed in the public. That is where the problem is and will continue to be. Edited at: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:01:17 AM

Good Morning everyone!

Imagine, people getting tested before having kidz, or serving on a jury?  They'd be no kids and a back-log in the courts!  lol...

"Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until you hear them speak."(Don't know who said that, aside from my Grandpa...  but I always liked that one.)
All I know is, I *don't* want a carbon-tax imposed on us in this country... it is so very wrong.

And, I am just hoping that those to the south of us can vote smarter this time...  Obviously, things aren't working the way they should be under their current leadership, such as it is.

		Head banger wrote:
		Ah, but then we would also need to test peoples knowledge and inteligence for such things as having children, serving on a jury.  perhaps also we could give a decent test of thoughts for credit.  no, lets not get into credit.  or driving, where do these fools get their licences, a crackerjack box?  we should periodicaly re test them too.      Deep Freeze wrote: I have made it a point to remain quiet regarding politics since my return. As we get closer to November, the rhetoric gets worse and facts become blurred by nonsense and pointless argument. The truly unfortunate fact of the matter is the public at large are the "morons", not the candidiates. The political folks simply do what they do. It is really up to the people to think about what they are doing and cast a vote accordingly. Worse, the majority of the voting public would not know an issue from a tissue and would wipe their collective butts with it ( to borrow loosely from Lou Reed) It has long been my opinion that NO ONE under thirty should be allowed to vote. (I realize the younger crowd on the Board are lighting the barbeque now to roast me) Quite frankly, EVERYONE should have to pass a civics exam prior to getting a voting card. The public, in general, have NO idea what they are doing, which is why the likes of an Obama or a Hillary get a chance in the first place. There, I said it. The system is not going to change. The word change has been tossed about all election long, like there is suddenly this revelation among the population, courtesy of some clown campaigning for office, and they all suddenly 'get it' and will forge bravely into a new future. Bah!! Not going to happen. The change is NOT needed in government, it is needed in the public. That is where the problem is and will continue to be. Edited at: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:01:17 AM

Ah, but then we would also need to test peoples knowledge and inteligence for such things as having children, serving on a jury.  perhaps also we could give a decent test of thoughts for credit.  no, lets not get into credit.  or driving, where do these fools get their licences, a crackerjack box?  we should periodicaly re test them too.

		Deep Freeze wrote:
		I have made it a point to remain quiet regarding politics since my return. As we get closer to November, the rhetoric gets worse and facts become blurred by nonsense and pointless argument. The truly unfortunate fact of the matter is the public at large are the "morons", not the candidiates. The political folks simply do what they do. It is really up to the people to think about what they are doing and cast a vote accordingly. Worse, the majority of the voting public would not know an issue from a tissue and would wipe their collective butts with it ( to borrow loosely from Lou Reed) It has long been my opinion that NO ONE under thirty should be allowed to vote. (I realize the younger crowd on the Board are lighting the barbeque now to roast me) Quite frankly, EVERYONE should have to pass a civics exam prior to getting a voting card. The public, in general, have NO idea what they are doing, which is why the likes of an Obama or a Hillary get a chance in the first place. There, I said it. The system is not going to change. The word change has been tossed about all election long, like there is suddenly this revelation among the population, courtesy of some clown campaigning for office, and they all suddenly 'get it' and will forge bravely into a new future. Bah!! Not going to happen. The change is NOT needed in government, it is needed in the public. That is where the problem is and will continue to be. Edited at: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:01:17 AM

I have made it a point to remain quiet regarding politics since my return. As we get closer to November, the rhetoric gets worse and facts become blurred by nonsense and pointless argument.

The truly unfortunate fact of the matter is the public at large are the "morons", not the candidiates. The political folks simply do what they do. It is really up to the people to think about what they are doing and cast a vote accordingly. Worse, the majority of the voting public would not know an issue from a tissue and would wipe their collective butts with it ( to borrow loosely from Lou Reed)

It has long been my opinion that NO ONE under thirty should be allowed to vote. (I realize the younger crowd on the Board are lighting the barbeque now to roast me) Quite frankly, EVERYONE should have to pass a civics exam prior to getting a voting card. The public, in general, have NO idea what they are doing, which is why the likes of an Obama or a Hillary get a chance in the first place. There, I said it.

The system is not going to change. The word change has been tossed about all election long, like there is suddenly this revelation among the population, courtesy of some clown campaigning for office, and they all suddenly 'get it' and will forge bravely into a new future. Bah!! Not going to happen. The change is NOT needed in government, it is needed in the public. That is where the problem is and will continue to be.

Unforunatley.. I have only a few things to say on this matter..   Darryn, is not the same person to all.. And he likes to screw around out here to get a rise out of people.. He  has assumed at least 6 different identities that I know of.. He pretends to be someone else and talks about him self...    To see what other people have to say about him.. 

The bottom line is people change.. Around the time I was having my problems with MR winnipeg warrior.. someone came out here under a presummed identiy of myself, and apparently said some things to other members on the board, which in turn the they  thought it was coming from me.. Hence one of the reasons I did not go to Vegas.. I feel its very immature of people to do this to other people Hence the reason I dont come out here that much any more.. If I wanted to deal with 2 year olds I would have one............ As far as Iam concerned he has lost all respect with many members .. to bad he cant be banned from here..  What was once a nice person has turned into a menace. 
I see things in a different light, I could have been friends with Darryn , I thought we could have meet up b-4 the show.
But do to his Immature nature and the way he turned like someone with a split personality.. I will never let my guard down again.. 

Hugs to all those who have stood by mee.. I really appreciate youre friendship..

Thanks MG..

		Deep Freeze wrote:
		B.S. is clearly an understatement! IF it really is Darryn, it is absolutely ridiculous for a middle aged man of his stature to act in such a childish manner. I say IF because I do not know with certainty that it is Darryn who is doing this. My experiences with him have been dignified and honorable. I just cannot imagine what would possess a grown man to act this way...

By the by, my mind is not what it once was but I believe this Thread was originally created by Darryn (Winnepeg Warrior), was it not? Why has he begun using a name similar to JD's??? Have I missed something during my absence????

Hi Bloodsucker,

You pose a good point, for sure.  That's gotta suck having only two evils to pick from...

Here in Canada, we have the Green Party, PC's, Liberals, NDP, Bloc Quebecois... AND the Marijuana Party (although, for some strange reason they weren't invited to the national debate -- although, maybe they were but were too busy contemplating just going!    ... lol.)

Even with "all" the eligible choices, there's still nobody good to vote for! 

What kind of set-up you folks got over there in the UK?  How many parties run in your elections?

		BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
		The biggest challenge with the political system in the USA is the fact that you only have two major parties. Democratic and Republican. It only gives you one option when you're fed up and sick and tired of one or the other. So it's not essentially that you're voting for one party at election time. It's more of the scenario where you're voting against the other party. Which makes no sense. Because it's a yo-yo cycle every four or eight years. Republican, Democrat, Republic, Democrat. Back and forth. Over and over. And the people of your country 'settle' for this? a. Hammerstein

HELLO WHISKEY...THE DEBATE I'M GOING TO IS JUST OUR LOCAL ONE FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA,NOT THE LEADERS,JUST THE M.P.'S...BUT I FEEL LIKE BEING AMUSED,SO
I'LL PROBABLY GO...WHY NOT?

		WhiskeyWoman wrote:
		Hey Soy, No, I don't think we have talked directly yet, so ...  "Hi! from the prairies..." While I am grateful we don't have to deal with what seems like years for an election to take place like, um ... it does in a country to the south that shall go unnamed ... I would like a bit more time to make a choice!  A few weeks for such an important decision just doesn't seem like enough time. Not to mention that, with a bit more time, we could actually start some of that relevant soap-opera stuff & gossip going on!  Might even make it interesting for a change... So you are actually *going* to the debate?  Now that's dedication.  You're probably the most informed loonie in the country!    (Is it on t.v....?  Just curious which of my favourite programs are being pre-empted -- lol!)      Soylentgreen4u wrote: HI WHISKEY ...DON'T THINK WE'VE YAKKED BEFORE,HOPE ALL IS WELL OUT WEST...YES ALBERTA HAS BEEN CONSERVATIVE COUNTRY FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND I'M SURE THAT WON'T CHANGE...MY CHOICE HAS BEEN MADE,BUT IM GONNA GO TO THE FINAL DEBATE HERE ANYWAY,JUST TO CHECK THINGS OUT....ONE GOOD THING ABOUT OUR COUNTRY (AND THERE ARE A GREAT MANY) IS AT LEAST WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS IT ON TV FOR YEARS AND YEARS PRIOR TO THE VOTE LIKE OUR GOOD FRIENDS TO THE SOUTH.      WhiskeyWoman wrote: Okay Soy ... just 'coz you said so -- the 14th is marked on the calendar to go blindfolded and pick a name.  Haven't a clue what to do in this one! Don't like any of them.  Alberta gets sewn up no matter what we do to try and change things!  I just want to get rid of Alberta's premier 'Stinkypatch'...  There's no-one like King Ralph, lol!    (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Sunday, October 05, 2008 10:42:13 PM)   Soylentgreen4u wrote:   VOTING DAY COMING UP HERE IN CANADA,OCT.14...BUT I THINK I'M GONNA DROP MINE IN TOMORROW AT THE ADVANCE POLLING STATION DUE TO THE FACT I'LL BE AWAY ON THE 14th...WILL WE HAVE A NEW PRIME MINISTER?..WILL THERE BE A MAJORITY GOV. OR A MINORITY?...HERE'S HOPING ALL CANADIANS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE,GET OUT THERE AND HAVE THEIR SAY!  ...THEN,JUST TO BE AMUSED,THINK I'LL TAKE IN THE LAST PUBLIC DEBATE HERE IN MY CITY TOMORROW NIGHT AND WATCH THE ANTAGONISTS GO AT EACH OTHER!     ............SHOULD BE A HOOT.  Edited at: Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:56:12 PM

Thanks for your post, this may (or may not) answer a question I have.  At the plant that I work at, I worked with a man who was recently terminated because his documentation was not proper.  I don't know when he and his family moved up here (from south of the border), but he had a really nice house and (I kid you not) 8 credit cards to boot.  I was born an American, served my country, worked hard, had hic-ups here and there with my credit (mostly because of medical bills and divorce agreements) and have never been fortunate enough to obtain a home loan (no, I am not a minority).  Yet someone can live here illegally and get these opportunities?  I don't know if one has anything to do with the other, but I am deeply disturbed by this.

		Painkiller1990 wrote:
		So Who’s really lying about Fannie and Freddie? Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, said today on the House floor that this whole mess we're in is the Republicans' fault. She blamed George Bush's economic policies for this financial problem we're having. This is important to know, dear reader, because you need to know the truth. You DESERVE to know the truth. And I can honestly say, if this was reversed and the Republicans were really to blame, I'd be sitting home this election. But this isn't the case. The mortgage crisis began actually in the Carter Administration. It's the result of liberalism, it truly is. Liberals believe it's unfair for some poor people to not own a home, minorities mainly, even though they clearly cannot afford one. Under Bill Clinton, Washington passed a bill that actually forced lenders to give loans to people who could never pay them back. It was called affordable housing. Lending institutions were giving loans to people, in some instances, without ever verifying their ability to pay it back. Some other instances saw illegal aliens getting loans, I kid you not. Attorney General, Janet Reno, threatened these institutions with legal actions if they failed to comply and give out these bad loans to people who clearly could never make the payments. And mind you, these are lending practices that under normal circumstances would never ever in a million years have taken place if it weren't for the Government. So, you know what this all really was? It was reparations to minorities! It was affirmative action at it's finest. Pure, 100% liberalism. It all makes sense to me now because I've been saying since the housing market dropped, you can't loan someone money to buy a 300K dollar home when they're only making 30K a year... with no down payment.  It common sense, Man! But it was really the lending practices forced by the Government that caused this. Liberals tried to say it was predatory lending. The evil banking industry taking advantage of the innocent poor. HA! Now we know better. Fannie and Freddie, under the control and direction of Franklin Raines, bought up all these toxic loans in an effort to give the appearance that Freddie and Fannie had much more value than was the truth. This is why Raines made almost 100 million dollars in bonuses over 7 years at F&F. And as long as F&F kept donating to the Democratic party, the Democrats would keep covering up all the corruption as you are about to watch. That's right, Clinton and the rest of the Democrats tried to solidify their constituency by guaranteeing them loans they could never pay back. In return, they got the votes. The kick backs went to Christopher Dodd, OBAMA, Jamie Gorelick, Barney Frank, Jim Johnson, Chuck Schumer, and a bunch of other Democrats. George Bush urged Congress to act between 10 to 15 times to regulate this problem, but those attempts died in the halls of Congress. 2004 is when these hearings took place you're going to see, and pay attention... REPUBLICANS, not Democrats, are trying to regulate Fannie and Freddie because it's clearly evident what has been going on. These hearing are the reason why Franklin Raines got the boot, he was corrupt and got busted. First video, Nancy Pelosi today blaming George Bush's economic policies and Republicans for the troubles in Fannie and Freddie, and the whole financial situation. Now, here is what happened in 2004 when the hearings were taking place, and Republicans were calling for more regulations in an effort to stop this illegal activity from turning into the exact problems we're now facing. And the Democrats are all saying Fannie and Freddie are just fine, doing a good job even... covering it all up. It's amazing to watch, it truly is. And like I said a few days ago, this all, in total and in it's entirety, lays at the feet of liberal Democrats. Make no mistake about it, they are responsible. it.Edited at: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:47:34 PM Edited at: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:49:51 PM

So Who’s really lying about Fannie and Freddie?

Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, said today on the House floor that this whole mess we're in is the Republicans' fault. She blamed George Bush's economic policies for this financial problem we're having. This is important to know, dear reader, because you need to know the truth. You DESERVE to know the truth. And I can honestly say, if this was reversed and the Republicans were really to blame, I'd be sitting home this election.

But this isn't the case.

The mortgage crisis began actually in the Carter Administration. It's the result of liberalism, it truly is. Liberals believe it's unfair for some poor people to not own a home, minorities mainly, even though they clearly cannot afford one.
Under Bill Clinton, Washington passed a bill that actually forced lenders to give loans to people who could never pay them back. It was called affordable housing. Lending institutions were giving loans to people, in some instances, without ever verifying their ability to pay it back. Some other instances saw illegal aliens getting loans, I kid you not.
Attorney General, Janet Reno, threatened these institutions with legal actions if they failed to comply and give out these bad loans to people who clearly could never make the payments. And mind you, these are lending practices that under normal circumstances would never ever in a million years have taken place if it weren't for the Government. So, you know what this all really was? It was reparations to minorities!
It was affirmative action at it's finest. Pure, 100% liberalism.
It all makes sense to me now because I've been saying since the housing market dropped, you can't loan someone money to buy a 300K dollar home when they're only making 30K a year... with no down payment.  It common sense, Man!
But it was really the lending practices forced by the Government that caused this. Liberals tried to say it was predatory lending. The evil banking industry taking advantage of the innocent poor. HA! Now we know better.

Fannie and Freddie, under the control and direction of Franklin Raines, bought up all these toxic loans in an effort to give the appearance that Freddie and Fannie had much more value than was the truth. This is why Raines made almost 100 million dollars in bonuses over 7 years at F&F.
And as long as F&F kept donating to the Democratic party, the Democrats would keep covering up all the corruption as you are about to watch.
That's right, Clinton and the rest of the Democrats tried to solidify their constituency by guaranteeing them loans they could never pay back. In return, they got the votes. The kick backs went to Christopher Dodd, OBAMA, Jamie Gorelick, Barney Frank, Jim Johnson, Chuck Schumer, and a bunch of other Democrats.

George Bush urged Congress to act between 10 to 15 times to regulate this problem, but those attempts died in the halls of Congress. 2004 is when these hearings took place you're going to see, and pay attention... REPUBLICANS, not Democrats, are trying to regulate Fannie and Freddie because it's clearly evident what has been going on. These hearing are the reason why Franklin Raines got the boot, he was corrupt and got busted.

First video, Nancy Pelosi today blaming George Bush's economic policies and Republicans for the troubles in Fannie and Freddie, and the whole financial situation.


Now, here is what happened in 2004 when the hearings were taking place, and Republicans were calling for more regulations in an effort to stop this illegal activity from turning into the exact problems we're now facing.
And the Democrats are all saying Fannie and Freddie are just fine, doing a good job even... covering it all up. It's amazing to watch, it truly is.
And like I said a few days ago, this all, in total and in it's entirety, lays at the feet of liberal Democrats. Make no mistake about it, they are responsible.

I would love to, yet you've already stated that the media is fair to both sides. So i know where you stand on most issues. Debating politics with a closed mind is useless.

		ronhartsell wrote:
		Franklin Raines?  You've got to be kidding me.  C'mon VOM.  He's nothing in this.  He's had no personal contact (with the issue I know you are trying to raise) at all with Obama.  He has never given any direct advice to Obama.  He is one (of many) individuals that has been contacted one time by someone in his campaign committee, and Raines will tell you that himself.  Again, he is nothing in this. James A Johnson.  I know he's been involved with numerous fortune 500 and 1000 companies, and I think he had a settlement of some kind not too long ago (earlier this year or last).  He does have quite the reputation from what I understand, and is respected in some sectors.  I also know he has made contributions to Obama's campaign.  Other than that, I can't say that much about him. C'mon, clue me in, I know you want to.         VICTIM OF METAL wrote: Two names, Franklin Raines and James A. Johnson?

I agree with you 100%...  When one gives themselves presidential power,to do what ever when ever.  Why bother with these types of things..   I agree... Mr treason himself will pass anything he wants to anywase.  Just to bye himself the last remaining time he has in office..  

And people can quit telling me this is Clintons fault...    He ran the goverment under republican power.. Remeber???

HELLO......

		Soylentgreen4u wrote:
		"BAILOUT BILL DEFEATED"....DON'T BELIEVE IT FOR A MINUTE MG...THIS IS ALL JUST MORE POSTURING AND IDIOTIC THEATRICS...HAVE THOSE GOOD FOLKS FORGOTTEN THERE IS AN ELECTION COMING UP SOON?...THEY DEFEAT IT INITIALLY TO MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK GOOD,THEN THEY COME BACK LATER SAYING THEY GOT WHAT THEY DEMANDED IN CONSESSIONS AND IT WILL BE PASSED...PATHETIC LIARS WHO DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN...THIS CRISIS WAS IN THE WORKS FOR YEARS AND YEARS,AND AFTER THE BAILOUT,IT WILL BEGIN AGAIN...WHY IS THERE NOT ANY CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS BEING LAUNCHED AGAINST THESE S.O.B.'S?...IT'S BORDERLINE TREASON AGAINST THEIR COUNTRY IF YOU ASK ME.      MEDALGODDESS wrote: Well I usally dont post out here.. But today... why not Here comes your mortgage meltdown   run for your lives...... Iam soo happy I do-not live in the USA.. anymore  its turning into a communist state of severe depression.. Sorry if this offends all the G.W> Bush lovers out here..   But you reap what you sew.. as they say. Peace.. Out..

"BAILOUT BILL DEFEATED"....DON'T BELIEVE IT FOR A MINUTE MG...THIS IS ALL JUST MORE POSTURING AND IDIOTIC THEATRICS...HAVE THOSE GOOD FOLKS FORGOTTEN THERE IS AN ELECTION COMING UP SOON?...THEY DEFEAT IT INITIALLY TO MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK GOOD,THEN THEY COME BACK LATER SAYING THEY GOT WHAT THEY DEMANDED IN CONSESSIONS AND IT WILL BE PASSED...PATHETIC LIARS WHO DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN...THIS CRISIS WAS IN THE WORKS FOR YEARS AND YEARS,AND AFTER THE BAILOUT,IT WILL BEGIN AGAIN...WHY IS THERE NOT ANY CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS BEING LAUNCHED AGAINST THESE S.O.B.'S?...IT'S BORDERLINE TREASON AGAINST THEIR COUNTRY IF YOU ASK ME.

		MEDALGODDESS wrote:
		Well I usally dont post out here.. But today... why not Here comes your mortgage meltdown   run for your lives...... Iam soo happy I do-not live in the USA.. anymore  its turning into a communist state of severe depression.. Sorry if this offends all the G.W> Bush lovers out here..   But you reap what you sew.. as they say. Peace.. Out..

YEAH,WELL DON'T GET TOO COMFY HERE IN THE GREAT WHITE NORTH,CAUSE IF YOU DON'T START BEHAVING YOURSELF AND STOP POSTING THOSE PORNOGRAPHIC PICS OF PRIEST,I'LL
HAVE TO SEND YOU BACK!!! (TEE-HEE)...    .......

		MEDALGODDESS wrote:
		Well I usally dont post out here.. But today... why not Here comes your mortgage meltdown   run for your lives...... Iam soo happy I do-not live in the USA.. anymore  its turning into a communist state of severe depression.. Sorry if this offends all the G.W> Bush lovers out here..   But you reap what you sew.. as they say. Peace.. Out..

Well I usally dont post out here.. But today... why not

Here comes your mortgage meltdown   run for your lives......

Iam soo happy I do-not live in the USA.. anymore  its turning into a communist state of severe depression..

Sorry if this offends all the G.W> Bush lovers out here..   But you reap what you sew.. as they say.

I see you are taking this as a debate. Well it isn't. I put Hollywood as an example to make a point. It is a Global agenda.  Read the documentations from the CFR and the Royal institute of Foreign Affairs, U.N. Agenda 21.  There aren'tdumb Canadians, Americans, etc. just those who have'nt  "looked" and acknowledged the Published works of these foundations and Non-Governamental orgs. that run ALL policies in All gov'ts. 

I say "eh" when I speak by the way.  In fact I didn't know you are Canadian. 

		Soylentgreen4u wrote:
		I LOVE HOW YOU KEEP THROWING IN THE "EH".......SOOOO TYPICAL...WAIT A MINUTE,NOW I'M CONFUSED...YOU SAID HOLLYWOOD WAS THE GUIDING LIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE PLANET....BUT NOW YOU SAY IT'S A GLOBALIST AGENDA...YOU SHOULD BE A POLITICIAN ...OH COME ON NOW,REEEELAX,BE NICE....FORGIVE US DUMB CANADIANS... EHHHHHH???...      Kendall aka JudasRyche wrote:   You are easily entertained eh? that's cool.  (Holly)wood is just garbage for culture creation. Very simple. (enter)tainment.  This is not one country's agenda, more like a globalist agenda. Always was.Most of your  thoughts and judgements, opinions and fantasy has been given you, by all these means.  Face it.  Funny eh?    (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:23:24 PM)   Soylentgreen4u wrote:   POOR BRITAIN WITH IT'S LITTLE PINEWOOD STUDIOS, SO HOLLYWOOD IS A GUIDING LIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE PLANET?...WOW!!!!,I HAD NO IDEA!,DARN THAT ELITIST LENIN,FOR THINKING ANYTHING DIFFERENT!...HOLLYWOOD THE GUIDING LIGHT FOR AN ENTIRE PLANET, Hmmmmmm,MAYBE,I GUUUUUUUESS...GOOD THING THERE'S NO ELITIST ATTITUDES IN HOLLYWOOD.......      Kendall aka JudasRyche wrote:   Wow it's been a while.......... We're living in a matrix. A matrix where many levels are programmed for you to pop into and get more distorted with the illusions around you – very confusing if you're just waking up. Don't panic if you're starting to wake up, and don't fall into the usual traps of trying to find a savior in the form of a two-legged man on the planet to save you, it doesn't work. It doesn't matter whatever they promise you, they're generally frauds and put out there by the other side, be it politician or otherwise. You can't have a good world without participating in your own destiny.  You can’t hand it to someone else and say please to it all for me. It doesn't work that way, never did work that way. We must all do our little bit towards altering the course we're on, and we mustn't go heads on with the controllers, because the controllers understand our nature is to hit them head on. That's what the chessboard is all about, the black and the white squares. You have to think things through and decide what kind of world it's supposed to be or could be, because, like the elitist Lenin said, there are a thousand directions humanity could take. It's just that the public mustn't be allowed to know it. They must think that the life they're born into and everything in it is natural. It must have evolved that way by itself. That's as simple as that.     The tragic thing about the world being changed now is that everyone is adopting the American culture, which isn't American either. It was created by a small dominant minority in the U.S. In the 1960’s and '70’s, international meetings were held by The Council on Foreign Relations in London with its parent organization The Royal Institute for International Affairs and all the other British Commonwealth groups were there present too.   Published in the newspapers at the time, it said that they had all gathered to decide which country should take the lead in culture creation for the whole planet to give a standard culture worldwide.  It was a toss-up between Britain with its little Pinewood Studios or Hollywood, and they decided to make Hollywood the guiding light for the entire planet and that's been done.   One of the biggest exports out of the U.S. happens to be movies and music, of course, because both are controlled within the U.S., big money.  You can go into Africa and see people with the hats on backwards and the baggy pants. You can go anywhere in the world and see the same thing because you promote culture creation. Now the CIA has admitted that all during the Cold War, all the radical movements that you thought were communist were actually run by the CIA.  The idea being, supposedly, according to themselves, that those who would want to join a group would go for the most radical, so they would make them the most radical of all; and that went for the music industry, the far-left political parties and everything else that you thought was the enemy. Run both sides of everything, and then you've got it made. It’s very, very simple. That's the world we live in. Edited at: Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:38:27 PM