I remember Toxik very well. They were very talented. Their first album was good, but their second one was way too progressive for me. I remember Savage Grace as well. They were Iron Maiden clones IMO. Not a bad band, but far from original. There are hundreds of long forgotten eighties metal bands. Here's a list with more than 1300 obscure eighties metal albums: http://vibrationsofdoom.com/test/index.html The overwhelming majority of the stuff that's listed there is probably lukewarm at best or just complete crap. Sometimes there's a reason why bands don't hit the big time.

		Steve Forrest wrote:
		These aren't really overrated bands, just bands that I haven't heard in a while and wonder if anybody else remembers them. Here's some old bands that I used to like and I wish were still around. (maybe they are and I just don't know it)  Toxik, Wargasm, Whiplash, Juggernaut, Wehrmacht, Infernal Majesty, Rigor Mortis, Sye, Predator, Exxplorer, Savage Grace, Sentinel Beast, Bloodlust, Cyclone Temple, Atrophy, Forced Entry, Devastation, Liege Lord, to name a few. Just felt a little nostalgic today. Edited at: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:42:29 PM

Hey Steve,I just started getting into Running Wild,never listened to them before,I actually like over half of thier discography!  The last album that was decent was year 2000 "Victory". 2002 "The Brotherhood" and 2005 Vouge En Rouge albums sounded like Rolf changed the style of the band slightly,and I just couldn't get into those albums. The best Running Wild album in my opinion is 1995 "Masquerade",what a classic!

As for all these shit bands out today,I'm with you on this. Bands have slid off the traditional forfront of "metal". Take a look at Poland's "Behemoth"...thier sound is still death metal but its sooooo fucking commercial its ruined the "underground" flavor to me,take a look at thier new video,I'm sure its on the lame Head Banger's ball,but take a look at it....it is too commercial,this is not what death metal was all about. I've listened to death metal since it came out,I remember buying Onslaught's first album in 1985 when it first came out...on the back of the album it said "Death Metal At It's Heaviest".  This entire genre "sucks" now,and when people ask me if I like "death metal" I say "NO". Because all the "true" death metal bands they people that ask me never heard of before!!!! Yes,it all "sucks" ass now Steve,and it is "ruined".

		Steve Forrest wrote:
		Exactly! What the fuck happened to metal? What happened to Running Wild? or Bloodlust? or Sacred Reich? And where the fuck did Converge come from? God Damn it! I've been a metal fan since I was 6! It all started with Ted Nugent's Weekend Warriors album. After the turn of the century (actually, maybe a few years before), metal took a nosedive.  I'm just extremely thankful for the older bands that are still here and trying to keep metal alive. Judas Priest, Dio, Voivod, etc. THANK YOU!  (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:20:06 PM)   J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   Yes. They are not "DEATH METAL" at all. They are a bunch of OZZ FEST posers that claim to play death metal and the shit band Dimmu Borgir claims to play black metal,they came out in 96' in Norway as a trend band and have been ever since,they are NOT like the old black metal bands of Norway at all. Going back to these so-called"death metal" bands,yeah they suck and they are the ones that are killing this genre,its already "dead". Fucking bastards!!!!!      Steve Forrest wrote:   I think I said this maybe a year ago, but I also think all of today's popular death/thrash bands are WAY over rated! In Flames, Soilwork, Arch Enemy, Lacuna Coil, Lamb Of God, Dimmu Borgir, Static X, holy shit, what a bunch of mindless crap! I don't mind some new cds by old bands (Grave Digger, Helloween, Voivod for example), but FUCK all these newer bands that are on every cover of every metal magazine! Edited at: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:16:03 AM

I agree with you Steve,Tool is a very overrated band to me,maybe not to someone like jimmy james,but yes just an opinion of mine as well,I actually can't fucking stand Tool and I've heard just about everything from them.I had an x-roommate that had everything they put out and I unfortuately heard some of it!! lol!! I can't take thier weird shit either,too progressive but thats not why I don't like them,theres nothing that goes along with the progressive nature,its just all cyber aged technical bullshit in my eyes.I'm so sick of all of this technical crap,not only by established artists but even somebody's band I hear these days (except for a few)....I'm waiting for an oldschool rock or metal riff and it all comes out like "Tool" somehow!! lol!!! Fuck that,whatever happened to oldschool riffs man??? lol!!! When I get my shit together thats all I'm crankin' out is oldschool fucking riffs!!!!!!!

		Steve Forrest wrote:
		TOOL is another way over-rated band in my book. I tried to get into them. People were telling me how awesome they were. I listened to their stuff. It's all crap. Especially 100,000,000 Eyes or whatever it's called. What a pile of shit that cd is! People! Tool is nothing! I don't give a shit if they put on an impressive light show at their concerts. The music still sucks ass!

Buy Aenima. Tool at their peak. Fucking great album. If you don't like that one nothing can get you into them.

		Steve Forrest wrote:
		TOOL is another way over-rated band in my book. I tried to get into them. People were telling me how awesome they were. I listened to their stuff. It's all crap. Especially 100,000,000 Eyes or whatever it's called. What a pile of shit that cd is! People! Tool is nothing! I don't give a shit if they put on an impressive light show at their concerts. The music still sucks ass!