After saying that I found some footage of Sabbath playing in sunny California with rainbows and flowers and gay looking outfits, Ozzy is dressed like a pixie hahahaha. Awesome rendition of War Pigs though.
jimmyjames wrote:
There would have been a few people out there who shit themselves when they first heard it. Saw an interview with Ozzy ages ago where he was talking about their image and music back when the band first started. He said that at the time everyone was into peace and love and going to San Fransisco and wearing flowers in their hair and all that shit and how growing up in working class, cold, rainy, industrial Birmingham they had no idea what they were on about. When they started the band they kind of went all anti that image and sang about loss and desperation, black magic, madness and armageddon, stuff they knew about. fuckin funny. Good guys.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah this is THE album that started it all,no other band..Deep Purple,Uriah Heep,Black Widow,Pentagram came close to a heavy metal album at this time. The 1960's came to a close...here comes 1970 while other bands were still in the 60's groove here comes the debut album 'Black Sabbath"! This would of been a "black metal" album if the tearm black metal were alive in 1970 lol true. This album would be the bad ass most underground satanic album and satanic sounding album you could find at this time. I bet people tripped out on this shit...the year I was born.
jimmyjames wrote:
Warning from the Black Sabbaths self titled debut album. The album that created Heavy Metal.
After saying that I found some footage of Sabbath playing in sunny California with rainbows and flowers and gay looking outfits, Ozzy is dressed like a pixie hahahaha. Awesome rendition of War Pigs though.
jimmyjames wrote:
There would have been a few people out there who shit themselves when they first heard it. Saw an interview with Ozzy ages ago where he was talking about their image and music back when the band first started. He said that at the time everyone was into peace and love and going to San Fransisco and wearing flowers in their hair and all that shit and how growing up in working class, cold, rainy, industrial Birmingham they had no idea what they were on about. When they started the band they kind of went all anti that image and sang about loss and desperation, black magic, madness and armageddon, stuff they knew about. fuckin funny. Good guys.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah this is THE album that started it all,no other band..Deep Purple,Uriah Heep,Black Widow,Pentagram came close to a heavy metal album at this time. The 1960's came to a close...here comes 1970 while other bands were still in the 60's groove here comes the debut album 'Black Sabbath"! This would of been a "black metal" album if the tearm black metal were alive in 1970 lol true. This album would be the bad ass most underground satanic album and satanic sounding album you could find at this time. I bet people tripped out on this shit...the year I was born.
jimmyjames wrote:
Warning from the Black Sabbaths self titled debut album. The album that created Heavy Metal.
[thekissofjudas] Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:59:15 PM
It sound specially interesting to me that the foundation of angry, deception and doom lies upon of heap of frustrated kids living in the skirts of an industrial city, what the hell is going to bring us the hyper conextion and the frustration of million of kid out of the system... Beside, BS rocks [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:42:10 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
There would have been a few people out there who shit themselves when they first heard it. Saw an interview with Ozzy ages ago where he was talking about their image and music back when the band first started. He said that at the time everyone was into peace and love and going to San Fransisco and wearing flowers in their hair and all that shit and how growing up in working class, cold, rainy, industrial Birmingham they had no idea what they were on about. When they started the band they kind of went all anti that image and sang about loss and desperation, black magic, madness and armageddon, stuff they knew about. fuckin funny. Good guys.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah this is THE album that started it all,no other band..Deep Purple,Uriah Heep,Black Widow,Pentagram came close to a heavy metal album at this time. The 1960's came to a close...here comes 1970 while other bands were still in the 60's groove here comes the debut album 'Black Sabbath"! This would of been a "black metal" album if the tearm black metal were alive in 1970 lol true. This album would be the bad ass most underground satanic album and satanic sounding album you could find at this time. I bet people tripped out on this shit...the year I was born.
jimmyjames wrote:
Warning from the Black Sabbaths self titled debut album. The album that created Heavy Metal.
After saying that I found some footage of Sabbath playing in sunny California with rainbows and flowers and gay looking outfits, Ozzy is dressed like a pixie hahahaha. Awesome rendition of War Pigs though.
jimmyjames wrote:
There would have been a few people out there who shit themselves when they first heard it. Saw an interview with Ozzy ages ago where he was talking about their image and music back when the band first started. He said that at the time everyone was into peace and love and going to San Fransisco and wearing flowers in their hair and all that shit and how growing up in working class, cold, rainy, industrial Birmingham they had no idea what they were on about. When they started the band they kind of went all anti that image and sang about loss and desperation, black magic, madness and armageddon, stuff they knew about. fuckin funny. Good guys.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah this is THE album that started it all,no other band..Deep Purple,Uriah Heep,Black Widow,Pentagram came close to a heavy metal album at this time. The 1960's came to a close...here comes 1970 while other bands were still in the 60's groove here comes the debut album 'Black Sabbath"! This would of been a "black metal" album if the tearm black metal were alive in 1970 lol true. This album would be the bad ass most underground satanic album and satanic sounding album you could find at this time. I bet people tripped out on this shit...the year I was born.
jimmyjames wrote:
Warning from the Black Sabbaths self titled debut album. The album that created Heavy Metal.
[jimmyjames] Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:35:45 PM
After saying that I found some footage of Sabbath playing in sunny California with rainbows and flowers and gay looking outfits, Ozzy is dressed like a pixie hahahaha. Awesome rendition of War Pigs though.
There would have been a few people out there who shit themselves when they first heard it. Saw an interview with Ozzy ages ago where he was talking about their image and music back when the band first started. He said that at the time everyone was into peace and love and going to San Fransisco and wearing flowers in their hair and all that shit and how growing up in working class, cold, rainy, industrial Birmingham they had no idea what they were on about. When they started the band they kind of went all anti that image and sang about loss and desperation, black magic, madness and armageddon, stuff they knew about. fuckin funny. Good guys.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah this is THE album that started it all,no other band..Deep Purple,Uriah Heep,Black Widow,Pentagram came close to a heavy metal album at this time. The 1960's came to a close...here comes 1970 while other bands were still in the 60's groove here comes the debut album 'Black Sabbath"! This would of been a "black metal" album if the tearm black metal were alive in 1970 lol true. This album would be the bad ass most underground satanic album and satanic sounding album you could find at this time. I bet people tripped out on this shit...the year I was born.
jimmyjames wrote:
Warning from the Black Sabbaths self titled debut album. The album that created Heavy Metal.
[jimmyjames] Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:42:10 PM
There would have been a few people out there who shit themselves when they first heard it. Saw an interview with Ozzy ages ago where he was talking about their image and music back when the band first started. He said that at the time everyone was into peace and love and going to San Fransisco and wearing flowers in their hair and all that shit and how growing up in working class, cold, rainy, industrial Birmingham they had no idea what they were on about. When they started the band they kind of went all anti that image and sang about loss and desperation, black magic, madness and armageddon, stuff they knew about. fuckin funny. Good guys. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:52:58 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah this is THE album that started it all,no other band..Deep Purple,Uriah Heep,Black Widow,Pentagram came close to a heavy metal album at this time. The 1960's came to a close...here comes 1970 while other bands were still in the 60's groove here comes the debut album 'Black Sabbath"! This would of been a "black metal" album if the tearm black metal were alive in 1970 lol true. This album would be the bad ass most underground satanic album and satanic sounding album you could find at this time. I bet people tripped out on this shit...the year I was born.
jimmyjames wrote:
Warning from the Black Sabbaths self titled debut album. The album that created Heavy Metal.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:52:58 PM
Yeah this is THE album that started it all,no other band..Deep Purple,Uriah Heep,Black Widow,Pentagram came close to a heavy metal album at this time. The 1960's came to a close...here comes 1970 while other bands were still in the 60's groove here comes the debut album 'Black Sabbath"! This would of been a "black metal" album if the tearm black metal were alive in 1970 lol true. This album would be the bad ass most underground satanic album and satanic sounding album you could find at this time. I bet people tripped out on this shit...the year I was born.
Yeah man, Volume 4 is amazing. I reckon the riffs at the beginning of Under The Sun and Cornucopia are the blueprint for what was to become Doom Metal.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Tomorrow's Dream
Thats total classic Jimmy I bought this LP in the early 80's and yeah thats totally fucking awsome,loads of good times listening to this album!!!
(Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Monday, April 18, 2011 11:51:05 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
Fuckin' Awesome.
Edited at: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 4:09:41 AM
[jimmyjames] Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:50:12 PM
Yeah man, Volume 4 is amazing. I reckon the riffs at the beginning of Under The Sun and Cornucopia are the blueprint for what was to become Doom Metal.
[Nupe The Ripper] Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:19:10 AM
Yeah, I wasn't saying that Sabbath weren't crucial in the development of metal music, just said that the weren't the only one.
Nvm, I'll stick my Paranoid vinyl in the stereo and hear the masters of metal.
Edited at: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:19:32 AM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:07:33 AM
Also Black Sabbath were the first "metal sounding" band to ever tamper with an inverted cross shown in the inside original album cover of the debut LP even though it was actually the producer's idea,Tony and Geezer were obsessed with the idea and knew it would give them the ability to get an eye raise out of people back then,this really went along with Tony's dark doomsday riffs that seem to seperate themselves from Deep purple,Uriah Heep and Black Widow.
Black Widow had the lyrical doomsday and satanic approach but thier music itself was nowhere near any kind of metal orienated music,nowhere near the dark doomsday metal riffs of Black Sabbath which by today's standards would be called "metal".
You could go back to blues man Robert Johnson's song "Crossroads" about the devil to keep mentioning earlier satanic themes but this inverted cross inside the debut album 1970 with the riffs, lyrics and image is why I think Black Sabbath started heavy metal.
Without them beings what a huge influence they had on Judas Priest I don't think Judas Priest would have been flying the flag for heavy metal,I think they may of ended up playing Rocka Rolla styled electic blues/rock throughout the 70's.
I don't think Deep Purple,Uriah Heep,Black Widow or Pentagram would of influenced them enough to create Sad Wings Of Destiny with songs like The Ripper,Genocide,Tyrant and Island Of Domination that thrusted them into 1978 with Hell Bent For Leather and onwards. Like K.K. said that somebody said Sabbath were heavy and Priest were metal,it just needed Sabbath for them to define what metal is all about.
Edited at: Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:20:24 AM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, April 16, 2011 10:20:37 PM
Very valid point Nupe. However,Sabbath started in 1969 and while covering such tracks as Blue Swade Shoes ect...they also started jamin' the title debut track "Black Sabbath" and its just something about thier "image" too...
4 guys dressed in black wearing crosses singing about Satan,I know Deep Purple,Uriah Heep and the less known band "Black Widow" and Pentagram(but they were too underground to make a difference)also contributed to the movement..ect..ect...
Its Black Sabbath that was a turning point that years later you can actually hear "metal" in thier riffs but very primitive. Also again with thier (back then) satanic image and doomsday approach,this is why they "started it all" with metal,even though they didn't use the tearm 'metal" back then,years later we hear the song 'Black Sabbath" from 1970 written in 1969 with thier image and lyrics we can sense "metal" big time.
I can't say that about all the rest of the bands. I don't really hear "metal" in Deep purple,Uriah Heep,Pentagram,ect.... sure I get where your coming from with thier riffs ect...yes they belong in the movement but even though Deep Purple started BEFORE Black Sabbath they were nowhere near as heavy,doomsday-like or satanic orienated as Black Sabbath untill after Sabbath's debut they may of had a few tracks ect..but nowhere consistant as Sabbath was at these idiologies.
Again I can't stress enough the image and lyrics,there was just NO band before Black Sabbath that was the creators of heavy metal.
Venom holds the same torch for extreme metal as they created black,death,thrash and speed metal.Irritating or not I don't think in my opinion this is an "opinion" I think its fact if you put all the pieces to the puzzle together and analyze them all,but good points you've still brought up beings the other bands continued Sabbath's creations.
While I usually try to avoid arguments over the internet (as I like being a diplomatic person, who supports neither side of some issues), I'd also like to add my two cents here. I'm particularly irritated by someone saying that Sabbath "started it all" and were "creators of metal". Yes, Sabbath was definitely one of the heaviest, if not the heaviest band in '70-'71, with a large credit going to Iommi's downtuned guitar.
But there were also others that put out similarly heavy stuff in the same era, like Deep Purple or Uriah Heep. While most, including me, would nowadays agree that they're both more hard rock than metal (with Heep more on the progressive side), imagine being in 1970 and start playing In Rock or Very 'eavy, Very 'umble. Both have blistering first tracks in Speed King and Gypsy, and the whole Purple album is very heavy indeed (can't say the same for Heep's first effort: although the US version did have Bird of Prey in it as well, overall the songs are less heavier). Come '71, Sabbath would already have three very heavy albums under it's belt, while the title tracks to Purple's Fireball and Heep's Look at Yourself (Salisbury, released earlier that year was more progressive and only Bird of Prey and Time to Live could be considered "heavy") were blisteringly heavy at the time. After that, more and more heavy bands started to pop up, with the Priest lurking at the back as well...
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Very,very well said Jimmy. What you've said is ABSOLUTELY 100% correct. Everything you've posted here is "true". Also he should of created a Dio's Sabbath thread only because of his disliking for early Sabbath. He has every right to dislike the Ozzy years but creating a thread named The Creators of Metal and leaving out the Ozzy years is misleading. On another note,I absolutely can't stand the album 'The Devil You Know",it spanks of poor song writting. A very big letdown for myself when I heard the LP and knew I wasn't going to buy it. I don't even like one song on it.
jimmyjames wrote:
Well I must say that I don't know why you've created this thread then. Why didn't you just start a Ronnie James Dio thread and talk about his music in that? You've literally called the thread The Creators Of Metal - Black Sabbath and you are avoiding the line up of the band that actually did what you are talking about. The RJD era of Sabbath did not create metal. As I said before, by the time Ronnie joined the band in 1979 or 80 metal was already going strong. Priest had released five or six albums, Maiden had just begun, UFO had been going for ages, AC/DC were at their peak, The Scorpions had a few albums out, the list goes on. The albums that created metal were the first three Sabbath albums, self titled, Paranoid and Master Of Reality in 1970 and 71. Honestly, Black Sabbath is only Black Sabbath with Ozzy. With Dio the name is the same but the band and the music is completely different. Awesome heavy metal music but it's a completely different sound to the original Sabbath that created metal. I think the band realised this when they got back together with Dio and changed the name to Heaven And Hell. They understood that if they called it Black Sabbath people would be expecting to hear War Pigs, Sweet Leaf and Paranoid etc, because that's what Sabbath is.
Brian_Evans wrote:
Ozzys voice is just too annoying man...lol
jimmyjames wrote:
One of the great underrated Sabbath songs.
Edited at: Saturday, April 16, 2011 10:26:32 PM
[Nupe The Ripper] Saturday, April 16, 2011 7:03:22 PM
While I usually try to avoid arguments over the internet (as I like being a diplomatic person, who supports neither side of some issues), I'd also like to add my two cents here. I'm particularly irritated by someone saying that Sabbath "started it all" and were "creators of metal". Yes, Sabbath was definitely one of the heaviest, if not the heaviest band in '70-'71, with a large credit going to Iommi's downtuned guitar.
But there were also others that put out similarly heavy stuff in the same era, like Deep Purple or Uriah Heep. While most, including me, would nowadays agree that they're both more hard rock than metal (with Heep more on the progressive side), imagine being in 1970 and start playing In Rock or Very 'eavy, Very 'umble. Both have blistering first tracks in Speed King and Gypsy, and the whole Purple album is very heavy indeed (can't say the same for Heep's first effort: although the US version did have Bird of Prey in it as well, overall the songs are less heavier). Come '71, Sabbath would already have three very heavy albums under it's belt, while the title tracks to Purple's Fireball and Heep's Look at Yourself (Salisbury, released earlier that year was more progressive and only Bird of Prey and Time to Live could be considered "heavy") were blisteringly heavy at the time. After that, more and more heavy bands started to pop up, with the Priest lurking at the back as well...
Very,very well said Jimmy. What you've said is ABSOLUTELY 100% correct. Everything you've posted here is "true". Also he should of created a Dio's Sabbath thread only because of his disliking for early Sabbath. He has every right to dislike the Ozzy years but creating a thread named The Creators of Metal and leaving out the Ozzy years is misleading. On another note,I absolutely can't stand the album 'The Devil You Know",it spanks of poor song writting. A very big letdown for myself when I heard the LP and knew I wasn't going to buy it. I don't even like one song on it.
jimmyjames wrote:
Well I must say that I don't know why you've created this thread then. Why didn't you just start a Ronnie James Dio thread and talk about his music in that? You've literally called the thread The Creators Of Metal - Black Sabbath and you are avoiding the line up of the band that actually did what you are talking about. The RJD era of Sabbath did not create metal. As I said before, by the time Ronnie joined the band in 1979 or 80 metal was already going strong. Priest had released five or six albums, Maiden had just begun, UFO had been going for ages, AC/DC were at their peak, The Scorpions had a few albums out, the list goes on. The albums that created metal were the first three Sabbath albums, self titled, Paranoid and Master Of Reality in 1970 and 71. Honestly, Black Sabbath is only Black Sabbath with Ozzy. With Dio the name is the same but the band and the music is completely different. Awesome heavy metal music but it's a completely different sound to the original Sabbath that created metal. I think the band realised this when they got back together with Dio and changed the name to Heaven And Hell. They understood that if they called it Black Sabbath people would be expecting to hear War Pigs, Sweet Leaf and Paranoid etc, because that's what Sabbath is.
Ozzys voice is just too annoying man...lol