| [ron h] Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:27:34 AM | |
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Good morning fellow Metalheads 
Budred and Becks, as a former U.S. Marine I thank you!!
Wow! I thought I'd have more time to play but 52 hours at work last week and 64 this week, I'm pooped!! lol No complaints though as the holidays are drawing near and with high unemployment, I thank God every day for my job!!
HB, minimum wage here in the States is $7.55 / hr, though individual States can mandate a higher amount and some do.
I totally agree that theft from the company cannot be ignored!! No excuse for that!! Safety violations are serious as well, but I've learned that every situation is usually unique unto itself and requires a thorough investigation.
As far as workers themselves hating their union, I've never really heard of such a thing. I can understand workers not liking the politics involved or that it's hard for a company to reward good employees because of their contract, or that maybe they've had a bad experience with a rep and feel that they deserved better because that sometimes does happen especially if the rep(s) are not well trained or knowledgeable. Again, most situations are unique unto themselves.
I've found that the rep usually gets a bad rap when something goes wrong because it's easier to be mad at and take frustration out on a co-worker (which a rep is) than to lash out and those in management who wronged them and for obvious reasons, no fear of losing their job that way. A lot of times a worker may have issues that just aren't grieveable regardless of how wronged they feel and because the rep can't do anything about it, they take it out on them.
Spa, yes! Any non-union employer in the statee of Indiana can terminate an employee "at will", and that sucks!! No warning, no just cause!! For this reason alone it pays to be under a union umbrella!! |
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| [joedraper] Sunday, November 14, 2010 8:48:29 AM | |
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Ha! Thank you Spa! And Vail! My coco heros lol..
OMW!! I just got back from a day of offroad motorcycle training. I feel like my back is about to break! Lots of balance stuff on the bike from 9am til 3:30pm and I am stuffed! But learnt a lot of cool stuff like riding with one foot off the peg and then riding whilst kneeling on the sadle.. felt very weird at first but once mastered was pretty cool ha ha ha. Also sitting side saddle while riding. Now I'm not too sure how that is supposed to help me for general off roading but it was still pretty cool to be able to do. In case I haven't made my point clear : MY BACK IS KILLING ME!!! lol. Now I have to go and catch my kids bunnies, out them back in their hatch and then go teach my Sunday School class.. No rest for the wicked... or the peacemakers either ha ha ha~
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, November 13, 2010 1:54:27 PM)| |  | spapad wrote: | | Here you go Joe:
www.teamcoco.com/
| | | joedraper wrote: | | | HELP!! Can anyone tell me where I can watch Conan's new show online? I love him and my stupid Satalite television network is not broadcasting his show here MY SAD!! |
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| [spapad] Saturday, November 13, 2010 1:54:27 PM | |
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Here you go Joe:
www.teamcoco.com/
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by joedraper from Saturday, November 13, 2010 9:55:15 AM)| | | joedraper wrote: | | | HELP!! Can anyone tell me where I can watch Conan's new show online? I love him and my stupid Satalite television network is not broadcasting his show here MY SAD!! |
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| [joedraper] Saturday, November 13, 2010 9:55:15 AM | |
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| HELP!! Can anyone tell me where I can watch Conan's new show online? I love him and my stupid Satalite television network is not broadcasting his show here MY SAD!! |
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| [QT] Saturday, November 13, 2010 8:52:39 AM | |
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| Hey everyone! Anyone know the Halford set list from last night? Please let me know. Thanks! |
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| [guidogodoy] Friday, November 12, 2010 11:43:00 PM | |
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Yesterday, the yearly "Gumpathon" ended its 63 day run to raise money for the troops. I figure that if a man with no legs can run and others can do 85 / 86 miles in one day I could donate and run my eight. Amazing people.
www.youtube.com/user/gumpathon
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| [Becks] Thursday, November 11, 2010 3:17:29 PM | |
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Yes, lest we forget. And thank you to every single veteran out there for their sacrifices!
Haven't been able to post much lately cos I've been so busy, and today has been crazy thanks to family drama. Long story, but it's ongoing. It's not Craig either in case anyone wonders if something has happened over there lol. |
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| [acolyte55] Thursday, November 11, 2010 3:10:29 PM | |
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| [Vaillant 3.0] Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:34:27 AM | |
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I second that. Happy Veterans Day!!  
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:41:53 AM)| | | Budred wrote: | |  ...Remember our veterans today. I may not always agree with our government but I completely
(100 percent) respect our troops past or present (and) future.
Any veterans reading this.
You are respected and appreciated.
Thank you!!! |
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| [Budred] Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:41:53 AM | |
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...Remember our veterans today. I may not always agree with our government but I completely
(100 percent) respect our troops past or present (and) future.
Any veterans reading this.
You are respected and appreciated.
Thank you!!! |
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| [Becks] Monday, November 08, 2010 10:16:32 PM | |
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LOL yeah HB, vacation = holidays here. Days like you described, Ron, are called public holidays here 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, November 08, 2010 8:59:16 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | yep. of course theft of company property... hard to let that go. repeated safety violations that lead to 4 of your co workers writing in complaints, after being placed on probation, not good. sigh. the problem is that 80% of workers hate the union, but none have any interest in removing it. so the few who will represent them end up on the outside of their co workers. the problem is that the union has all these issues to discuss, some real, some bullshit that these 2 fools and a few others gave them, and no understanding. so now they need someone to explain them and help them negotiate it, since they told the membership they would work on these things. one was improving health and safety, which they need to let us fire those who drive van loads of people thru three red lights in one day. if we get this contract done before december 2012 I will be surprised. of course thats at a rate of 5 bargaining days in six months.
interesting about the At will legislation. most states are that way but alow for implied contract, which I would think makes a bit more sense. our rules are like those that Spa described, need to prove that you tried to corect the behavior and the worker would not except in severe cases.
Re your coment to Becks. I think you confused vacation and holiday. our vacation is their holidays. so you get 11 stat holidays and three weeks vacation. out of curiosity what is the legal min wage and min vacation statute there?
| | | ron h wrote: | | Spa, all a right to work state does is allow a worker to have a choice in whether they want to join the union or not if there is a union at that facility. Even though it keeps the facility from being a closed shop (meaning you must join the union to work there), the worker can choose to pay the union to represent them if the need arises. Indiana is an at will state which means an employer doesn't have to have a reason to terminate your employment. Having a union in our plant changes that in that my employer cannot terminate me without just cause.
Becks, I totally get where you're coming from as far as all them paid holidays. The company we support gets 16!! Here are the days we get paid for: New Years, Martin Luther King Day, Memorial Day, Independance Day, Labor Day, Veterans Day, Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving Friday, Christmas Eve, Christmas and New Years Eve.
HB, you fired 2 of the union bargainers?? lol That's one way to make your point!! lol
By the way, I thought New Jersey was the laughing stock of the U.S., and I refuse to change my opinion of Bon Jovi!!! |
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| [Head banger] Monday, November 08, 2010 8:59:16 PM | |
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yep. of course theft of company property... hard to let that go. repeated safety violations that lead to 4 of your co workers writing in complaints, after being placed on probation, not good. sigh. the problem is that 80% of workers hate the union, but none have any interest in removing it. so the few who will represent them end up on the outside of their co workers. the problem is that the union has all these issues to discuss, some real, some bullshit that these 2 fools and a few others gave them, and no understanding. so now they need someone to explain them and help them negotiate it, since they told the membership they would work on these things. one was improving health and safety, which they need to let us fire those who drive van loads of people thru three red lights in one day. if we get this contract done before december 2012 I will be surprised. of course thats at a rate of 5 bargaining days in six months.
interesting about the At will legislation. most states are that way but alow for implied contract, which I would think makes a bit more sense. our rules are like those that Spa described, need to prove that you tried to corect the behavior and the worker would not except in severe cases.
Re your coment to Becks. I think you confused vacation and holiday. our vacation is their holidays. so you get 11 stat holidays and three weeks vacation. out of curiosity what is the legal min wage and min vacation statute there?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Monday, November 08, 2010 7:37:37 PM)| | | ron h wrote: | | Spa, all a right to work state does is allow a worker to have a choice in whether they want to join the union or not if there is a union at that facility. Even though it keeps the facility from being a closed shop (meaning you must join the union to work there), the worker can choose to pay the union to represent them if the need arises. Indiana is an at will state which means an employer doesn't have to have a reason to terminate your employment. Having a union in our plant changes that in that my employer cannot terminate me without just cause.
Becks, I totally get where you're coming from as far as all them paid holidays. The company we support gets 16!! Here are the days we get paid for: New Years, Martin Luther King Day, Memorial Day, Independance Day, Labor Day, Veterans Day, Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving Friday, Christmas Eve, Christmas and New Years Eve.
HB, you fired 2 of the union bargainers?? lol That's one way to make your point!! lol
By the way, I thought New Jersey was the laughing stock of the U.S., and I refuse to change my opinion of Bon Jovi!!! |
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| [spapad] Monday, November 08, 2010 8:21:30 PM | |
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Wow, your employer has the will to fire you for no reason? No matter how long you have been there? Here, only in your first 90 days of employment can you fire someone without a just reason, after that you have to follow protocol and write them up, 2 times and third is suspension without pay, 4 is fired. Of couse that is for stuff like no call no show too many late times etc... If you do something truely out of line you'll get fired on the spot. No wonder you need unions with that kind of hire/fire bottom line.
I know NJ is suffering huge embarassment from the "jersey shore" fools and have had to deal with Bon Jovi, but still they don't take it on the chin as bad as poor WV, one of the poorest states in the Union. I fee rather fortunate they broke off from us during the war. The whole of the United States thinks of them as inbred, uneducated, hillbillies. There is about 5 to maybe 10 % of the population that truly own that moniker! The problem is they are such loud mouth nasties, they always leave an impression on those they meet.
So, while I live in VA and work in WV, I'd NEVER want to live in WV. Couldn't stand the shame! lol [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Monday, November 08, 2010 7:37:37 PM)
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Spa, all a right to work state does is allow a worker to have a choice in whether they want to join the union or not if there is a union at that facility. Even though it keeps the facility from being a closed shop (meaning you must join the union to work there), the worker can choose to pay the union to represent them if the need arises. Indiana is an at will state which means an employer doesn't have to have a reason to terminate your employment. Having a union in our plant changes that in that my employer cannot terminate me without just cause.
Becks, I totally get where you're coming from as far as all them paid holidays. The company we support gets 16!! Here are the days we get paid for: New Years, Martin Luther King Day, Memorial Day, Independance Day, Labor Day, Veterans Day, Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving Friday, Christmas Eve, Christmas and New Years Eve.
HB, you fired 2 of the union bargainers?? lol That's one way to make your point!! lol
By the way, I thought New Jersey was the laughing stock of the U.S., and I refuse to change my opinion of Bon Jovi!!!
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| [ron h] Monday, November 08, 2010 7:37:37 PM | |
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Spa, all a right to work state does is allow a worker to have a choice in whether they want to join the union or not if there is a union at that facility. Even though it keeps the facility from being a closed shop (meaning you must join the union to work there), the worker can choose to pay the union to represent them if the need arises. Indiana is an at will state which means an employer doesn't have to have a reason to terminate your employment. Having a union in our plant changes that in that my employer cannot terminate me without just cause.
Becks, I totally get where you're coming from as far as all them paid holidays. The company we support gets 16!! Here are the days we get paid for: New Years, Martin Luther King Day, Memorial Day, Independance Day, Labor Day, Veterans Day, Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving Friday, Christmas Eve, Christmas and New Years Eve.
HB, you fired 2 of the union bargainers?? lol That's one way to make your point!! lol
By the way, I thought New Jersey was the laughing stock of the U.S., and I refuse to change my opinion of Bon Jovi!!! |
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| [Head banger] Monday, November 08, 2010 2:01:41 PM | |
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yeah, when he ran boston he passed something like 10 000 people, must be insane at the start.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, November 08, 2010 10:43:32 AM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | That is a true hardcore time. Especially when you consider that a number that placed before him are what are considered the "elite" runners that usually are at the level of being pro-runners.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | just found a post from my sister in law
Kurt finished in 3:27, placing him 4226 out of 45,000 runners. I didn't see him finish (again) but was in the bleachers enjoying the great atmosphere. What a day!
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good stuff. I cant imagine that, let alone the kind of times the top compeditive runers get to.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | My bro in law ran the NY for the first time this year, beat all the celebs in this article. 3:26 I think. I like that one of the chilean miners did it. traped underground for months must fuck up the training something fierce.
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| [guidogodoy] Monday, November 08, 2010 10:43:32 AM | |
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That is a true hardcore time. Especially when you consider that a number that placed before him are what are considered the "elite" runners that usually are at the level of being pro-runners.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, November 08, 2010 8:24:58 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | just found a post from my sister in law
Kurt finished in 3:27, placing him 4226 out of 45,000 runners. I didn't see him finish (again) but was in the bleachers enjoying the great atmosphere. What a day!
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good stuff. I cant imagine that, let alone the kind of times the top compeditive runers get to.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | My bro in law ran the NY for the first time this year, beat all the celebs in this article. 3:26 I think. I like that one of the chilean miners did it. traped underground for months must fuck up the training something fierce.
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| [joedraper] Monday, November 08, 2010 9:37:34 AM | |
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| How's everyone this fine and sunny Monday? Well, not sunny here but it must be somewhere in the world lol. I'm good.. Getting ready for one last evening class and then I can relax 'til the end of the year.. As far as night classes go. Still got two more kids concerts to get through then we done for the year. Saturday was hectic as hell but well worth it. Had to literally be in three places at one time. Managed to do the morning rehearsal, then Zoey's first Ballet show at the same time as Zakk's karate grading. Lucky they have two parents lol. So we split up and each grabbed a kid and headed to an event. Then Zoey's second ballet show was in the evening so I had that shift. Craig had to do sound for the CMA fallen bikers memorial and then CMA meeting so I hardly saw him all of yesterday. Well tired and looking forward to the week so that we can see each other and get some rest! lol |
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| [Head banger] Monday, November 08, 2010 8:24:58 AM | |
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just found a post from my sister in law
Kurt finished in 3:27, placing him 4226 out of 45,000 runners. I didn't see him finish (again) but was in the bleachers enjoying the great atmosphere. What a day!
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good stuff. I cant imagine that, let alone the kind of times the top compeditive runers get to.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, November 07, 2010 10:43:37 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | My bro in law ran the NY for the first time this year, beat all the celebs in this article. 3:26 I think. I like that one of the chilean miners did it. traped underground for months must fuck up the training something fierce.
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| [Head banger] Monday, November 08, 2010 8:11:23 AM | |
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in north america its normaly 2, sometimes one. 4 is something realy rare here, for my company if you are over 20 years in an hourly paid position then its 4 weeks.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:45:16 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Good work Ron! Just curious, is there no legal standard for holidays over there? I mean as in, every worker here in NZ is entitled to 4 (I'm pretty sure it's 4 LOL!) weeks paid annual leave a year. Is it not the same there, does it depend on employer?
| | | ron h wrote: | | Bev is well versed in procedure and all things HR, so it was helpful bouncing ideas off her. We did have our unmoving points of view, but great insight none the less.
Some of the gains we made on the economic side are we now have 11 paid Holidays a year, 3 weeks paid vacation, employer paid health insurance and a $.75 raise!!
| | | spapad wrote: | | Congrats Ron! I could see Bev's point of view. That many months of listening to the tales of the nogotiation table. 
Good to hear your union came out on the better side of things.
| | | ron h wrote: | | Good morning fellow Metalheads
Well, it's finally over with!! As most of you know I'm a union negotiator at the plant I work at. We've been in negotiations for a new contract since March and it's now a done deal!! The ratification vote was about 92% in favor of, which, to me, is vindication of the comittees hard work. In this day and age when unions are getting weaker, every contract gets harder and harder to make gains on. Fortunately, we made no concessions anywhere and made gains all across the board.
Now that this is over with, I can now come out and play a little more and Bev can quit rolling her eyes at me lol!! |
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| [Head banger] Monday, November 08, 2010 8:10:03 AM | |
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I think his best is 309. I couldnt do that If I had a bycicle. I didnt even think about the registration. still, I supose his mental training would be good. I mean, whats 26 miles compared to a few months.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:02:58 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Holy crap! Congrats to your brother in law. That is one hell of a time! My fastest ever for a HALF is right around the 2:03 mark. I gotta find some faster running music or something.
The Chilean did pretty darn well. Saw that he had both knees iced down at one point. "Screw with the training," hell..I was thinking that it would have been difficult to even register. His story sure beats the hell out of Jared, IMO.
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