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[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, April 12, 2009 8:47:40 AM)| |  | spapad wrote: | | Nothing is wrong with it. Just not my taste.
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:52:26 PM | |
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Yeah Becks,I think that Angel Of Retribution is better than Rocka Rolla,Sin After Sin,Stained Class,Hell Bent For Leather,Point Of Entry,Defenders Of The Faith,Turbo,Ram It Down,Jugulator,Demolition,and Nostradamus.....I would only say that Sad Wings Of Destiny,British Steel,Screaming For Vengeance and Painkiller is better.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:48:24 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Hehe I'd struggle to pick a top 5, but I agree JD, AoR is a FANTASTIC album!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Lochness should of been released on Nostradamus!! It does'nt belong on Angel Of Retribution in my opinion,but if ron likes it than right on for him! lol! Just not my idea of a good Judas Priest track,thats all.
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| [Becks] Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:48:24 PM | |
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Hehe I'd struggle to pick a top 5, but I agree JD, AoR is a FANTASTIC album!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:27:27 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Lochness should of been released on Nostradamus!! It does'nt belong on Angel Of Retribution in my opinion,but if ron likes it than right on for him! lol! Just not my idea of a good Judas Priest track,thats all.
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:27:27 PM | |
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Lochness should of been released on Nostradamus!! It does'nt belong on Angel Of Retribution in my opinion,but if ron likes it than right on for him! lol! Just not my idea of a good Judas Priest track,thats all.
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| [spapad] Sunday, April 12, 2009 8:47:40 AM | |
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Nothing is wrong with it. Just not my taste.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Sunday, April 12, 2009 8:42:11 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | | What's wrong with Lochness?? |
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| [ron h] Sunday, April 12, 2009 8:42:11 AM | |
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| [spapad] Saturday, April 11, 2009 4:31:46 PM | |
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J.D. is right MMJP! All except Loch are astounding tracks! BUY IT, BUY IT!!!  
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, April 11, 2009 4:08:05 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | 
METALMANJP I'm "beggin ya" to buy this album...I'm beggin ya!
1.Judas Rising
2.Deal With The Devil
3.Revolution
4.Worth Fighting For
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These first 9 tracks on this album are totally essential and a must have Judas Priest man,....the 10th and final track "Lochness" is the only "weak link" on this LP.
But don't let this discourage you,these fiirst 9 songs on Angel Of Retribution are some of the best Judas Priest ever recorded. You won't be disappointed. I believe that "Judas Rising"...."Demonizer"....and.."Hell Rider"..are 3 of Judas Priest's best songs ever recorded....these 3 tracks can easily match up with any Judas Priest song in the band's 16 studio album career.and that is a huge statement! Don't wait much longer to buy this album METALMANJP!!!
(Quoting Message by METALMANJP from Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:41:23 AM)
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Forgive me Priest fans for I have sinned.
I have to admit something, I kinda gave up on Priest back when Halford left the band . I didn't start listening to them from that time until just before Nostradamus was released. I've never heard any of the ripper alblums and I've never heard Angel of Retribution !
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, April 11, 2009 4:08:05 PM | |
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METALMANJP I'm "beggin ya" to buy this album...I'm beggin ya!
1.Judas Rising
2.Deal With The Devil
3.Revolution
4.Worth Fighting For
5.Demonizer
6.Wheels Of Fire
7.Angel
8.Hell Rider
9.Elegy
These first 9 tracks on this album are totally essential and a must have Judas Priest man,....the 10th and final track "Lochness" is the only "weak link" on this LP.
But don't let this discourage you,these fiirst 9 songs on Angel Of Retribution are some of the best Judas Priest ever recorded. You won't be disappointed. I believe that "Judas Rising"...."Demonizer"....and.."Hell Rider"..are 3 of Judas Priest's best songs ever recorded....these 3 tracks can easily match up with any Judas Priest song in the band's 16 studio album career.and that is a huge statement! Don't wait much longer to buy this album METALMANJP!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by METALMANJP from Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:41:23 AM)
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Forgive me Priest fans for I have sinned.
I have to admit something, I kinda gave up on Priest back when Halford left the band . I didn't start listening to them from that time until just before Nostradamus was released. I've never heard any of the ripper alblums and I've never heard Angel of Retribution !
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| [Deep Freeze] Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:01:40 AM | |
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Exactly. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Friday, April 10, 2009 10:14:26 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | Did it begin,..........Dear Father Guido!
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| [spapad] Friday, April 10, 2009 10:14:26 PM | |
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Did it begin,..........Dear Father Guido!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, April 10, 2009 9:40:26 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | Went to church today. There was no priest available so I left a note.....BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, April 10, 2009 9:40:26 PM | |
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| [spapad] Friday, April 10, 2009 9:17:43 PM | |
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I found it very Biographical!
I don't have a Blue ray, I'm lucky I have a DVD player at all! LOL Ah, Spa is poor this year! Taxes, bills, etc, it all adds up! Too bad my pay doesn't go up with it! I'm going to have to budget this year for certain. LOL
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, April 10, 2009 9:12:27 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I HAVE noticed it, in fact.
Should you get the latest version, get the Blu-ray. I believe it has Blackout (Scorps) on it and I can downgrade it even if you don't have a blu-ray player.
Too much $ for just one song. I'd do the work, though! HAAAAA!!!!
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I HAVE noticed it, in fact.
Should you get the latest version, get the Blu-ray. I believe it has Blackout (Scorps) on it and I can downgrade it even if you don't have a blu-ray player.
Too much $ for just one song. I'd do the work, though! HAAAAA!!!!
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| [guidogodoy] Friday, April 10, 2009 9:03:01 PM | |
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I've said it before. Sent freakin' CHILLS down my spine first time I heard it.
Oddly enough, got Halford / Rio III playing as I type.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Friday, April 10, 2009 8:59:42 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | Resssssuurrrrreeccccttttioonnnnnn!!!!! Is the best damn thing I've heard in years! LOVE IT!!!
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I was also one to boycott all Ripper-era stuff. More out of respect than anything else.
Resurection kicked my ass back into Halford and, of course, all since he rejoined Priest is gold!! AOR a solid buy.
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I've still only heard the ones on the Metaology Disc! Angel is
a great disc you need to get it if you don't have it! 
Keep the Faith !!
| | | METALMANJP wrote: | | Forgive me Priest fans for I have sinned.
I have to admit something, I kinda gave up on Priest back when Halford left the band . I didn't start listening to them from that time until just before Nostradamus was released. I've never heard any of the ripper alblums and I've never heard Angel of Retribution !
I feel better now that I got that off my chest !
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| [spapad] Friday, April 10, 2009 8:59:42 PM | |
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Resssssuurrrrreeccccttttioonnnnnn!!!!! Is the best damn thing I've heard in years! LOVE IT!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, April 10, 2009 8:53:18 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I was also one to boycott all Ripper-era stuff. More out of respect than anything else.
Resurection kicked my ass back into Halford and, of course, all since he rejoined Priest is gold!! AOR a solid buy.
| | | mgdman wrote: | | Don't feel alone! I did not listen to the Ripper stuff either,
I've still only heard the ones on the Metaology Disc! Angel is
a great disc you need to get it if you don't have it!
Keep the Faith !!
| | | METALMANJP wrote: | | Forgive me Priest fans for I have sinned.
I have to admit something, I kinda gave up on Priest back when Halford left the band . I didn't start listening to them from that time until just before Nostradamus was released. I've never heard any of the ripper alblums and I've never heard Angel of Retribution !
I feel better now that I got that off my chest !
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I was also one to boycott all Ripper-era stuff. More out of respect than anything else.
Resurection kicked my ass back into Halford and, of course, all since he rejoined Priest is gold!! AOR a solid buy.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by mgdman from Friday, April 10, 2009 8:47:00 PM)| | | mgdman wrote: | | Don't feel alone! I did not listen to the Ripper stuff either,
I've still only heard the ones on the Metaology Disc! Angel is
a great disc you need to get it if you don't have it!
Keep the Faith !!
| | | METALMANJP wrote: | | Forgive me Priest fans for I have sinned.
I have to admit something, I kinda gave up on Priest back when Halford left the band . I didn't start listening to them from that time until just before Nostradamus was released. I've never heard any of the ripper alblums and I've never heard Angel of Retribution !
I feel better now that I got that off my chest !
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| [spapad] Friday, April 10, 2009 8:49:10 PM | |
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You can always come back to the Family right MGD!?!
That's all that matters!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by mgdman from Friday, April 10, 2009 8:47:00 PM)| | | mgdman wrote: | | Don't feel alone! I did not listen to the Ripper stuff either,
I've still only heard the ones on the Metaology Disc! Angel is
a great disc you need to get it if you don't have it!
Keep the Faith !!
| | | METALMANJP wrote: | | Forgive me Priest fans for I have sinned.
I have to admit something, I kinda gave up on Priest back when Halford left the band . I didn't start listening to them from that time until just before Nostradamus was released. I've never heard any of the ripper alblums and I've never heard Angel of Retribution !
I feel better now that I got that off my chest !
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| [mgdman] Friday, April 10, 2009 8:47:00 PM | |
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Don't feel alone! I did not listen to the Ripper stuff either,
I've still only heard the ones on the Metaology Disc! Angel is
a great disc you need to get it if you don't have it!
Keep the Faith !!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by METALMANJP from Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:41:23 AM)| | | METALMANJP wrote: | | Forgive me Priest fans for I have sinned.
I have to admit something, I kinda gave up on Priest back when Halford left the band . I didn't start listening to them from that time until just before Nostradamus was released. I've never heard any of the ripper alblums and I've never heard Angel of Retribution !
I feel better now that I got that off my chest !
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| [ron h] Friday, April 10, 2009 6:41:03 PM | |
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You shouldn't feel alone there, bud...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by METALMANJP from Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:41:23 AM)| | | METALMANJP wrote: | | Forgive me Priest fans for I have sinned.
I have to admit something, I kinda gave up on Priest back when Halford left the band . I didn't start listening to them from that time until just before Nostradamus was released. I've never heard any of the ripper alblums and I've never heard Angel of Retribution !
I feel better now that I got that off my chest !
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| [METALMANJP] Friday, April 10, 2009 8:25:24 AM | |
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Back to my roots !
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:07:16 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | That's OK MMJP! you may have got side tracked but, but your still a life long fan!
| | | METALMANJP wrote: | | Forgive me Priest fans for I have sinned.
I have to admit something, I kinda gave up on Priest back when Halford left the band . I didn't start listening to them from that time until just before Nostradamus was released. I've never heard any of the ripper alblums and I've never heard Angel of Retribution !
I feel better now that I got that off my chest !
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| [spapad] Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:07:16 PM | |
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That's OK MMJP! you may have got side tracked but, but your still a life long fan!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by METALMANJP from Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:41:23 AM)| | | METALMANJP wrote: | | Forgive me Priest fans for I have sinned.
I have to admit something, I kinda gave up on Priest back when Halford left the band . I didn't start listening to them from that time until just before Nostradamus was released. I've never heard any of the ripper alblums and I've never heard Angel of Retribution !
I feel better now that I got that off my chest !
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Forgive me Priest fans for I have sinned.
I have to admit something, I kinda gave up on Priest back when Halford left the band . I didn't start listening to them from that time until just before Nostradamus was released. I've never heard any of the ripper alblums and I've never heard Angel of Retribution !
I feel better now that I got that off my chest !
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:29:26 AM | |
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Thank you Ron,and it does help hearing opinions from experienced parents as yourself.Thanks for all the advise bro,you rock!! As you and Deep Freeze have told me...I guess if I didn't care...I would never feel as if I've "failed".
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, March 09, 2009 6:29:44 PM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | ...lol...that's funny JD...hey man, I'm just a parent and a Priestfan and a hard worker like anyone else here...I do tend to be a little (over) passionate when it comes to those 3 things, but they're all I've got...best of luck to you, mate!! 
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Thanks ronhartsell,I won't lose the faith and never give up!! Hey,..I remember I was starting to get afraid of you ronhartsell!! lol! Thanks for the input my friend!
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | JD...you're going to be fine...you have an eye on what's going on and that's more than a lot of parents these days...I haven't always lived with my kids, and at their ages I never will again (unless something tragic happens), and it's a tough situation to be in, no doubt...but you have never given up and that's a testament to your love for him...and your love for him is what makes the pain hurt even worse...I don't remember if you mentioned his age or not, but as any parent would say, as long as you two are drawing breath it's never too late...he's got your blood in his veins, so some of your smarts has made it as well...it's a never ending journey my friend, don't lose the faith!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Thanks Freeze,I appreciate that. I understand that I'm on the right track and as Head Banger said there is no instruction manual,its still kinda therapeutic to hear advice from others..... especially your advise Freeze.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | ...its just frustrating at times ya know?
Yes, my friend. I do know. It is frustrating, annoying, painful, frightening, confusing, tedious and so on. But they are our children and we love them. There is nothing you can do about it. I am proud of you, JD. Stay strong. Be a good dad and lead the way........ by always doing the right thing.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Thanks Freeze and thank you too Bev. Head banger,I hear your point of view as well. Yes... I suppose your right Freeze,well...I know your right.And as you know I've never givin up and I am doing the right thing but why does it still feel sometimes as if I failed? It seems that if I could turn back time a few notches I could of done something else differently but when I go to think of what....there is nothing,I did do everything I could at that time...its just frustrating at times ya know?
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You're right, Bev. JD, this is another common mistake. YOU are not at fault here and it is not YOU that is failing!!! There is no shame in admitting that you have tried and it is not working. In fact, the only shame is in "giving up". NEVER stop trying, my friend. That does not mean you have to give him money or anything else! It means you demonstrate how to be a man. You stand up and say, "NO MORE." You go to work. You pay your bills. You are there if he needs advice. You do the right thing.
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Your absolutely right Freeze and you as well ronhartsell.I feel I have "failed" as a parent,and maybe I have beings my kid did'nt live with me even though I was around almost every weekend till he was 13. It doesn't matter it's not the same.But you do have to "let go" and let them make thier own mistakes especially if they will not listen.
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Oh, absolutely Bev! How about the parent that was "never there"? The parent that chose drugs or alcohol and divorced the spouse to pursue a life of decadence? Sure. One day, he or she finds an opportuntiy to re-introduce into the child's life and over compensates by allowing the kid anything! But, you see, THIS is on the parent! This is what parenting really is! One must overcome one's inate sense of self and think of the child. A most arduous prospect, I'm afraid. Far too easy to try to live vicariously through an offspriing.
I realize it is not a black and white issue. Each child is different and really the only reason I have spoke up is because I care about JD and his struggle. Clearly, it is of great importance to him, as he has been posting about it now on a regular basis. I feel for him. I know with what he is dealing. The Princess has many of the same problems with her two boys. I see the pain. The difficulties. It is hard. Most all of you know that I have a daughter but she is grown and has her own family. I do not think I could do what she does with those young boys. My patience is just not that strong.
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Here is something to consider: Could it be that sometimes we as parents try to over compensate - where one's own parents may have been authoritarian we take an altogether passive approach or vice versa?
Thank goodness I have an aquarian for a son, He is very self-assured (in a good way) and independent, I have to consciously remind myself that he is only 15. I am confident that if I left here tomorrow, he is very capable of taking care of himself ... (not planning anything, but you never know).
On that note, got a teen that wants to download some more aircraft for his FS!
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...lol...that's funny JD...hey man, I'm just a parent and a Priestfan and a hard worker like anyone else here...I do tend to be a little (over) passionate when it comes to those 3 things, but they're all I've got...best of luck to you, mate!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Monday, March 09, 2009 6:18:39 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Thanks ronhartsell,I won't lose the faith and never give up!! Hey,..I remember I was starting to get afraid of you ronhartsell!! lol! Thanks for the input my friend!
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | JD...you're going to be fine...you have an eye on what's going on and that's more than a lot of parents these days...I haven't always lived with my kids, and at their ages I never will again (unless something tragic happens), and it's a tough situation to be in, no doubt...but you have never given up and that's a testament to your love for him...and your love for him is what makes the pain hurt even worse...I don't remember if you mentioned his age or not, but as any parent would say, as long as you two are drawing breath it's never too late...he's got your blood in his veins, so some of your smarts has made it as well...it's a never ending journey my friend, don't lose the faith!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Thanks Freeze,I appreciate that. I understand that I'm on the right track and as Head Banger said there is no instruction manual,its still kinda therapeutic to hear advice from others..... especially your advise Freeze.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | ...its just frustrating at times ya know?
Yes, my friend. I do know. It is frustrating, annoying, painful, frightening, confusing, tedious and so on. But they are our children and we love them. There is nothing you can do about it. I am proud of you, JD. Stay strong. Be a good dad and lead the way........ by always doing the right thing.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Thanks Freeze and thank you too Bev. Head banger,I hear your point of view as well. Yes... I suppose your right Freeze,well...I know your right.And as you know I've never givin up and I am doing the right thing but why does it still feel sometimes as if I failed? It seems that if I could turn back time a few notches I could of done something else differently but when I go to think of what....there is nothing,I did do everything I could at that time...its just frustrating at times ya know?
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You're right, Bev. JD, this is another common mistake. YOU are not at fault here and it is not YOU that is failing!!! There is no shame in admitting that you have tried and it is not working. In fact, the only shame is in "giving up". NEVER stop trying, my friend. That does not mean you have to give him money or anything else! It means you demonstrate how to be a man. You stand up and say, "NO MORE." You go to work. You pay your bills. You are there if he needs advice. You do the right thing.
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Your absolutely right Freeze and you as well ronhartsell.I feel I have "failed" as a parent,and maybe I have beings my kid did'nt live with me even though I was around almost every weekend till he was 13. It doesn't matter it's not the same.But you do have to "let go" and let them make thier own mistakes especially if they will not listen.
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Oh, absolutely Bev! How about the parent that was "never there"? The parent that chose drugs or alcohol and divorced the spouse to pursue a life of decadence? Sure. One day, he or she finds an opportuntiy to re-introduce into the child's life and over compensates by allowing the kid anything! But, you see, THIS is on the parent! This is what parenting really is! One must overcome one's inate sense of self and think of the child. A most arduous prospect, I'm afraid. Far too easy to try to live vicariously through an offspriing.
I realize it is not a black and white issue. Each child is different and really the only reason I have spoke up is because I care about JD and his struggle. Clearly, it is of great importance to him, as he has been posting about it now on a regular basis. I feel for him. I know with what he is dealing. The Princess has many of the same problems with her two boys. I see the pain. The difficulties. It is hard. Most all of you know that I have a daughter but she is grown and has her own family. I do not think I could do what she does with those young boys. My patience is just not that strong.
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Here is something to consider: Could it be that sometimes we as parents try to over compensate - where one's own parents may have been authoritarian we take an altogether passive approach or vice versa?
Thank goodness I have an aquarian for a son, He is very self-assured (in a good way) and independent, I have to consciously remind myself that he is only 15. I am confident that if I left here tomorrow, he is very capable of taking care of himself ... (not planning anything, but you never know).
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Thanks ronhartsell,I won't lose the faith and never give up!! Hey,..I remember I was starting to get afraid of you ronhartsell!! lol! Thanks for the input my friend!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, March 09, 2009 4:43:59 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | JD...you're going to be fine...you have an eye on what's going on and that's more than a lot of parents these days...I haven't always lived with my kids, and at their ages I never will again (unless something tragic happens), and it's a tough situation to be in, no doubt...but you have never given up and that's a testament to your love for him...and your love for him is what makes the pain hurt even worse...I don't remember if you mentioned his age or not, but as any parent would say, as long as you two are drawing breath it's never too late...he's got your blood in his veins, so some of your smarts has made it as well...it's a never ending journey my friend, don't lose the faith!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Thanks Freeze,I appreciate that. I understand that I'm on the right track and as Head Banger said there is no instruction manual,its still kinda therapeutic to hear advice from others..... especially your advise Freeze.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | ...its just frustrating at times ya know?
Yes, my friend. I do know. It is frustrating, annoying, painful, frightening, confusing, tedious and so on. But they are our children and we love them. There is nothing you can do about it. I am proud of you, JD. Stay strong. Be a good dad and lead the way........ by always doing the right thing.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Thanks Freeze and thank you too Bev. Head banger,I hear your point of view as well. Yes... I suppose your right Freeze,well...I know your right.And as you know I've never givin up and I am doing the right thing but why does it still feel sometimes as if I failed? It seems that if I could turn back time a few notches I could of done something else differently but when I go to think of what....there is nothing,I did do everything I could at that time...its just frustrating at times ya know?
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You're right, Bev. JD, this is another common mistake. YOU are not at fault here and it is not YOU that is failing!!! There is no shame in admitting that you have tried and it is not working. In fact, the only shame is in "giving up". NEVER stop trying, my friend. That does not mean you have to give him money or anything else! It means you demonstrate how to be a man. You stand up and say, "NO MORE." You go to work. You pay your bills. You are there if he needs advice. You do the right thing.
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Your absolutely right Freeze and you as well ronhartsell.I feel I have "failed" as a parent,and maybe I have beings my kid did'nt live with me even though I was around almost every weekend till he was 13. It doesn't matter it's not the same.But you do have to "let go" and let them make thier own mistakes especially if they will not listen.
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Oh, absolutely Bev! How about the parent that was "never there"? The parent that chose drugs or alcohol and divorced the spouse to pursue a life of decadence? Sure. One day, he or she finds an opportuntiy to re-introduce into the child's life and over compensates by allowing the kid anything! But, you see, THIS is on the parent! This is what parenting really is! One must overcome one's inate sense of self and think of the child. A most arduous prospect, I'm afraid. Far too easy to try to live vicariously through an offspriing.
I realize it is not a black and white issue. Each child is different and really the only reason I have spoke up is because I care about JD and his struggle. Clearly, it is of great importance to him, as he has been posting about it now on a regular basis. I feel for him. I know with what he is dealing. The Princess has many of the same problems with her two boys. I see the pain. The difficulties. It is hard. Most all of you know that I have a daughter but she is grown and has her own family. I do not think I could do what she does with those young boys. My patience is just not that strong.
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Here is something to consider: Could it be that sometimes we as parents try to over compensate - where one's own parents may have been authoritarian we take an altogether passive approach or vice versa?
Thank goodness I have an aquarian for a son, He is very self-assured (in a good way) and independent, I have to consciously remind myself that he is only 15. I am confident that if I left here tomorrow, he is very capable of taking care of himself ... (not planning anything, but you never know).
On that note, got a teen that wants to download some more aircraft for his FS!
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| [Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Monday, March 09, 2009 4:55:05 AM | |
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JD...you're going to be fine...you have an eye on what's going on and that's more than a lot of parents these days...I haven't always lived with my kids, and at their ages I never will again (unless something tragic happens), and it's a tough situation to be in, no doubt...but you have never given up and that's a testament to your love for him...and your love for him is what makes the pain hurt even worse...I don't remember if you mentioned his age or not, but as any parent would say, as long as you two are drawing breath it's never too late...he's got your blood in his veins, so some of your smarts has made it as well...it's a never ending journey my friend, don't lose the faith!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:56:02 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Thanks Freeze,I appreciate that. I understand that I'm on the right track and as Head Banger said there is no instruction manual,its still kinda therapeutic to hear advice from others..... especially your advise Freeze.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | ...its just frustrating at times ya know?
Yes, my friend. I do know. It is frustrating, annoying, painful, frightening, confusing, tedious and so on. But they are our children and we love them. There is nothing you can do about it. I am proud of you, JD. Stay strong. Be a good dad and lead the way........ by always doing the right thing.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Thanks Freeze and thank you too Bev. Head banger,I hear your point of view as well. Yes... I suppose your right Freeze,well...I know your right.And as you know I've never givin up and I am doing the right thing but why does it still feel sometimes as if I failed? It seems that if I could turn back time a few notches I could of done something else differently but when I go to think of what....there is nothing,I did do everything I could at that time...its just frustrating at times ya know?
(Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:30:25 AM)
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You're right, Bev. JD, this is another common mistake. YOU are not at fault here and it is not YOU that is failing!!! There is no shame in admitting that you have tried and it is not working. In fact, the only shame is in "giving up". NEVER stop trying, my friend. That does not mean you have to give him money or anything else! It means you demonstrate how to be a man. You stand up and say, "NO MORE." You go to work. You pay your bills. You are there if he needs advice. You do the right thing.
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Your absolutely right Freeze and you as well ronhartsell.I feel I have "failed" as a parent,and maybe I have beings my kid did'nt live with me even though I was around almost every weekend till he was 13. It doesn't matter it's not the same.But you do have to "let go" and let them make thier own mistakes especially if they will not listen.
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Oh, absolutely Bev! How about the parent that was "never there"? The parent that chose drugs or alcohol and divorced the spouse to pursue a life of decadence? Sure. One day, he or she finds an opportuntiy to re-introduce into the child's life and over compensates by allowing the kid anything! But, you see, THIS is on the parent! This is what parenting really is! One must overcome one's inate sense of self and think of the child. A most arduous prospect, I'm afraid. Far too easy to try to live vicariously through an offspriing.
I realize it is not a black and white issue. Each child is different and really the only reason I have spoke up is because I care about JD and his struggle. Clearly, it is of great importance to him, as he has been posting about it now on a regular basis. I feel for him. I know with what he is dealing. The Princess has many of the same problems with her two boys. I see the pain. The difficulties. It is hard. Most all of you know that I have a daughter but she is grown and has her own family. I do not think I could do what she does with those young boys. My patience is just not that strong.
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Here is something to consider: Could it be that sometimes we as parents try to over compensate - where one's own parents may have been authoritarian we take an altogether passive approach or vice versa?
Thank goodness I have an aquarian for a son, He is very self-assured (in a good way) and independent, I have to consciously remind myself that he is only 15. I am confident that if I left here tomorrow, he is very capable of taking care of himself ... (not planning anything, but you never know).
On that note, got a teen that wants to download some more aircraft for his FS!
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Thanks Freeze,I appreciate that. I understand that I'm on the right track and as Head Banger said there is no instruction manual,its still kinda therapeutic to hear advice from others..... especially your advise Freeze.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:50:46 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | ...its just frustrating at times ya know?
Yes, my friend. I do know. It is frustrating, annoying, painful, frightening, confusing, tedious and so on. But they are our children and we love them. There is nothing you can do about it. I am proud of you, JD. Stay strong. Be a good dad and lead the way........ by always doing the right thing.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Thanks Freeze and thank you too Bev. Head banger,I hear your point of view as well. Yes... I suppose your right Freeze,well...I know your right.And as you know I've never givin up and I am doing the right thing but why does it still feel sometimes as if I failed? It seems that if I could turn back time a few notches I could of done something else differently but when I go to think of what....there is nothing,I did do everything I could at that time...its just frustrating at times ya know?
(Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:30:25 AM)
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You're right, Bev. JD, this is another common mistake. YOU are not at fault here and it is not YOU that is failing!!! There is no shame in admitting that you have tried and it is not working. In fact, the only shame is in "giving up". NEVER stop trying, my friend. That does not mean you have to give him money or anything else! It means you demonstrate how to be a man. You stand up and say, "NO MORE." You go to work. You pay your bills. You are there if he needs advice. You do the right thing.
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Your absolutely right Freeze and you as well ronhartsell.I feel I have "failed" as a parent,and maybe I have beings my kid did'nt live with me even though I was around almost every weekend till he was 13. It doesn't matter it's not the same.But you do have to "let go" and let them make thier own mistakes especially if they will not listen.
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Oh, absolutely Bev! How about the parent that was "never there"? The parent that chose drugs or alcohol and divorced the spouse to pursue a life of decadence? Sure. One day, he or she finds an opportuntiy to re-introduce into the child's life and over compensates by allowing the kid anything! But, you see, THIS is on the parent! This is what parenting really is! One must overcome one's inate sense of self and think of the child. A most arduous prospect, I'm afraid. Far too easy to try to live vicariously through an offspriing.
I realize it is not a black and white issue. Each child is different and really the only reason I have spoke up is because I care about JD and his struggle. Clearly, it is of great importance to him, as he has been posting about it now on a regular basis. I feel for him. I know with what he is dealing. The Princess has many of the same problems with her two boys. I see the pain. The difficulties. It is hard. Most all of you know that I have a daughter but she is grown and has her own family. I do not think I could do what she does with those young boys. My patience is just not that strong.
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Here is something to consider: Could it be that sometimes we as parents try to over compensate - where one's own parents may have been authoritarian we take an altogether passive approach or vice versa?
Thank goodness I have an aquarian for a son, He is very self-assured (in a good way) and independent, I have to consciously remind myself that he is only 15. I am confident that if I left here tomorrow, he is very capable of taking care of himself ... (not planning anything, but you never know).
On that note, got a teen that wants to download some more aircraft for his FS!
Later all ... |
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...its just frustrating at times ya know?
Yes, my friend. I do know. It is frustrating, annoying, painful, frightening, confusing, tedious and so on. But they are our children and we love them. There is nothing you can do about it. I am proud of you, JD. Stay strong. Be a good dad and lead the way........ by always doing the right thing.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, March 08, 2009 4:48:08 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Thanks Freeze and thank you too Bev. Head banger,I hear your point of view as well. Yes... I suppose your right Freeze,well...I know your right.And as you know I've never givin up and I am doing the right thing but why does it still feel sometimes as if I failed? It seems that if I could turn back time a few notches I could of done something else differently but when I go to think of what....there is nothing,I did do everything I could at that time...its just frustrating at times ya know?
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You're right, Bev. JD, this is another common mistake. YOU are not at fault here and it is not YOU that is failing!!! There is no shame in admitting that you have tried and it is not working. In fact, the only shame is in "giving up". NEVER stop trying, my friend. That does not mean you have to give him money or anything else! It means you demonstrate how to be a man. You stand up and say, "NO MORE." You go to work. You pay your bills. You are there if he needs advice. You do the right thing.
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Your absolutely right Freeze and you as well ronhartsell.I feel I have "failed" as a parent,and maybe I have beings my kid did'nt live with me even though I was around almost every weekend till he was 13. It doesn't matter it's not the same.But you do have to "let go" and let them make thier own mistakes especially if they will not listen.
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Oh, absolutely Bev! How about the parent that was "never there"? The parent that chose drugs or alcohol and divorced the spouse to pursue a life of decadence? Sure. One day, he or she finds an opportuntiy to re-introduce into the child's life and over compensates by allowing the kid anything! But, you see, THIS is on the parent! This is what parenting really is! One must overcome one's inate sense of self and think of the child. A most arduous prospect, I'm afraid. Far too easy to try to live vicariously through an offspriing.
I realize it is not a black and white issue. Each child is different and really the only reason I have spoke up is because I care about JD and his struggle. Clearly, it is of great importance to him, as he has been posting about it now on a regular basis. I feel for him. I know with what he is dealing. The Princess has many of the same problems with her two boys. I see the pain. The difficulties. It is hard. Most all of you know that I have a daughter but she is grown and has her own family. I do not think I could do what she does with those young boys. My patience is just not that strong.
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Here is something to consider: Could it be that sometimes we as parents try to over compensate - where one's own parents may have been authoritarian we take an altogether passive approach or vice versa?
Thank goodness I have an aquarian for a son, He is very self-assured (in a good way) and independent, I have to consciously remind myself that he is only 15. I am confident that if I left here tomorrow, he is very capable of taking care of himself ... (not planning anything, but you never know).
On that note, got a teen that wants to download some more aircraft for his FS!
Later all ... |
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you can only do the best you can do. life does not come with an instruction manual. make it up as you go along, and learn. frustrating as all get out most of the time
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, March 08, 2009 4:48:08 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Thanks Freeze and thank you too Bev. Head banger,I hear your point of view as well. Yes... I suppose your right Freeze,well...I know your right.And as you know I've never givin up and I am doing the right thing but why does it still feel sometimes as if I failed? It seems that if I could turn back time a few notches I could of done something else differently but when I go to think of what....there is nothing,I did do everything I could at that time...its just frustrating at times ya know?
(Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:30:25 AM)
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You're right, Bev. JD, this is another common mistake. YOU are not at fault here and it is not YOU that is failing!!! There is no shame in admitting that you have tried and it is not working. In fact, the only shame is in "giving up". NEVER stop trying, my friend. That does not mean you have to give him money or anything else! It means you demonstrate how to be a man. You stand up and say, "NO MORE." You go to work. You pay your bills. You are there if he needs advice. You do the right thing.
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Your absolutely right Freeze and you as well ronhartsell.I feel I have "failed" as a parent,and maybe I have beings my kid did'nt live with me even though I was around almost every weekend till he was 13. It doesn't matter it's not the same.But you do have to "let go" and let them make thier own mistakes especially if they will not listen.
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Oh, absolutely Bev! How about the parent that was "never there"? The parent that chose drugs or alcohol and divorced the spouse to pursue a life of decadence? Sure. One day, he or she finds an opportuntiy to re-introduce into the child's life and over compensates by allowing the kid anything! But, you see, THIS is on the parent! This is what parenting really is! One must overcome one's inate sense of self and think of the child. A most arduous prospect, I'm afraid. Far too easy to try to live vicariously through an offspriing.
I realize it is not a black and white issue. Each child is different and really the only reason I have spoke up is because I care about JD and his struggle. Clearly, it is of great importance to him, as he has been posting about it now on a regular basis. I feel for him. I know with what he is dealing. The Princess has many of the same problems with her two boys. I see the pain. The difficulties. It is hard. Most all of you know that I have a daughter but she is grown and has her own family. I do not think I could do what she does with those young boys. My patience is just not that strong.
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Here is something to consider: Could it be that sometimes we as parents try to over compensate - where one's own parents may have been authoritarian we take an altogether passive approach or vice versa?
Thank goodness I have an aquarian for a son, He is very self-assured (in a good way) and independent, I have to consciously remind myself that he is only 15. I am confident that if I left here tomorrow, he is very capable of taking care of himself ... (not planning anything, but you never know).
On that note, got a teen that wants to download some more aircraft for his FS!
Later all ... |
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Thanks Freeze and thank you too Bev. Head banger,I hear your point of view as well. Yes... I suppose your right Freeze,well...I know your right.And as you know I've never givin up and I am doing the right thing but why does it still feel sometimes as if I failed? It seems that if I could turn back time a few notches I could of done something else differently but when I go to think of what....there is nothing,I did do everything I could at that time...its just frustrating at times ya know?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:30:25 AM)
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You're right, Bev. JD, this is another common mistake. YOU are not at fault here and it is not YOU that is failing!!! There is no shame in admitting that you have tried and it is not working. In fact, the only shame is in "giving up". NEVER stop trying, my friend. That does not mean you have to give him money or anything else! It means you demonstrate how to be a man. You stand up and say, "NO MORE." You go to work. You pay your bills. You are there if he needs advice. You do the right thing.
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Your absolutely right Freeze and you as well ronhartsell.I feel I have "failed" as a parent,and maybe I have beings my kid did'nt live with me even though I was around almost every weekend till he was 13. It doesn't matter it's not the same.But you do have to "let go" and let them make thier own mistakes especially if they will not listen.
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Oh, absolutely Bev! How about the parent that was "never there"? The parent that chose drugs or alcohol and divorced the spouse to pursue a life of decadence? Sure. One day, he or she finds an opportuntiy to re-introduce into the child's life and over compensates by allowing the kid anything! But, you see, THIS is on the parent! This is what parenting really is! One must overcome one's inate sense of self and think of the child. A most arduous prospect, I'm afraid. Far too easy to try to live vicariously through an offspriing.
I realize it is not a black and white issue. Each child is different and really the only reason I have spoke up is because I care about JD and his struggle. Clearly, it is of great importance to him, as he has been posting about it now on a regular basis. I feel for him. I know with what he is dealing. The Princess has many of the same problems with her two boys. I see the pain. The difficulties. It is hard. Most all of you know that I have a daughter but she is grown and has her own family. I do not think I could do what she does with those young boys. My patience is just not that strong.
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Here is something to consider: Could it be that sometimes we as parents try to over compensate - where one's own parents may have been authoritarian we take an altogether passive approach or vice versa?
Thank goodness I have an aquarian for a son, He is very self-assured (in a good way) and independent, I have to consciously remind myself that he is only 15. I am confident that if I left here tomorrow, he is very capable of taking care of himself ... (not planning anything, but you never know).
On that note, got a teen that wants to download some more aircraft for his FS!
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your right, people dont expect actual work. manual labour?? nope. might have more than 40 hours a week. nope. no AC, nope. drink tap water? nope
I think that a lot of people are in line for a serious wake up.
you worked, to suport school. when your out of school, you will work again. nothing at all wrong with that.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Friday, March 06, 2009 10:14:07 PM)| | | Vaillant 3.0 wrote: | | Ooookkkaaaaayyyyyy...Looks like I'll have to do a double-confession:
1). No, I don't have a job right now... I'm in college now and living off Federal Student Aid... slaughter me if you wish...
2). HOWEVER!!! I did have a summer job last year...which was working at an amusement park called Knott's Berry Farm...operating kiddie rides... 
While it was fun operating the control panel of several rides, the hours were a bit exhausting (12 hrs a day, six days a week), but at least I decided to stay and give it a go for the season, unlike other trainees who would walk out after only half a day's worth of work. All the rides were outdoors, so I was pretty much washing my work uniform everyday because I would sweat so much. Had to quit though, since this amusement park was in one region in the state and my college is 500 miles away. Still, it felt good getting that envelope from the Payroll office every Friday and looking at what was achieved in the long run: money, of course! For food and other small necessities during the school year.
I know I'll probably sound like a hypocrite, but I think the problem with my generation is that most imagine a job as having something to do with being in an office or something else less laborous, which is why many of us are in college in the first place, along with making parents proud. We're a bunch of softies, in other words. |
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You're right, Bev. JD, this is another common mistake. YOU are not at fault here and it is not YOU that is failing!!! There is no shame in admitting that you have tried and it is not working. In fact, the only shame is in "giving up". NEVER stop trying, my friend. That does not mean you have to give him money or anything else! It means you demonstrate how to be a man. You stand up and say, "NO MORE." You go to work. You pay your bills. You are there if he needs advice. You do the right thing.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:18:09 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Your absolutely right Freeze and you as well ronhartsell.I feel I have "failed" as a parent,and maybe I have beings my kid did'nt live with me even though I was around almost every weekend till he was 13. It doesn't matter it's not the same.But you do have to "let go" and let them make thier own mistakes especially if they will not listen.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Oh, absolutely Bev! How about the parent that was "never there"? The parent that chose drugs or alcohol and divorced the spouse to pursue a life of decadence? Sure. One day, he or she finds an opportuntiy to re-introduce into the child's life and over compensates by allowing the kid anything! But, you see, THIS is on the parent! This is what parenting really is! One must overcome one's inate sense of self and think of the child. A most arduous prospect, I'm afraid. Far too easy to try to live vicariously through an offspriing.
I realize it is not a black and white issue. Each child is different and really the only reason I have spoke up is because I care about JD and his struggle. Clearly, it is of great importance to him, as he has been posting about it now on a regular basis. I feel for him. I know with what he is dealing. The Princess has many of the same problems with her two boys. I see the pain. The difficulties. It is hard. Most all of you know that I have a daughter but she is grown and has her own family. I do not think I could do what she does with those young boys. My patience is just not that strong.
| | | Bev wrote: | | Here is something to consider: Could it be that sometimes we as parents try to over compensate - where one's own parents may have been authoritarian we take an altogether passive approach or vice versa?
Thank goodness I have an aquarian for a son, He is very self-assured (in a good way) and independent, I have to consciously remind myself that he is only 15. I am confident that if I left here tomorrow, he is very capable of taking care of himself ... (not planning anything, but you never know).
On that note, got a teen that wants to download some more aircraft for his FS!
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That will be enough of that ... Does your gut tell you you have failed as a parent? Or are you judging yourself by someone else's standards (which I find hard to believe)? Stop it now, JD! Kids sense this forboding feeling of failure as a weakness and will feed off it like noone's business. Do you see the passion you inspire in the young men here?!? Failure ... that's bullshit - Someone stop me ...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:18:09 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Your absolutely right Freeze and you as well ronhartsell.I feel I have "failed" as a parent,and maybe I have beings my kid did'nt live with me even though I was around almost every weekend till he was 13. It doesn't matter it's not the same.But you do have to "let go" and let them make thier own mistakes especially if they will not listen.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Oh, absolutely Bev! How about the parent that was "never there"? The parent that chose drugs or alcohol and divorced the spouse to pursue a life of decadence? Sure. One day, he or she finds an opportuntiy to re-introduce into the child's life and over compensates by allowing the kid anything! But, you see, THIS is on the parent! This is what parenting really is! One must overcome one's inate sense of self and think of the child. A most arduous prospect, I'm afraid. Far too easy to try to live vicariously through an offspriing.
I realize it is not a black and white issue. Each child is different and really the only reason I have spoke up is because I care about JD and his struggle. Clearly, it is of great importance to him, as he has been posting about it now on a regular basis. I feel for him. I know with what he is dealing. The Princess has many of the same problems with her two boys. I see the pain. The difficulties. It is hard. Most all of you know that I have a daughter but she is grown and has her own family. I do not think I could do what she does with those young boys. My patience is just not that strong.
| | | Bev wrote: | | Here is something to consider: Could it be that sometimes we as parents try to over compensate - where one's own parents may have been authoritarian we take an altogether passive approach or vice versa?
Thank goodness I have an aquarian for a son, He is very self-assured (in a good way) and independent, I have to consciously remind myself that he is only 15. I am confident that if I left here tomorrow, he is very capable of taking care of himself ... (not planning anything, but you never know).
On that note, got a teen that wants to download some more aircraft for his FS!
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Your absolutely right Freeze and you as well ronhartsell.I feel I have "failed" as a parent,and maybe I have beings my kid did'nt live with me even though I was around almost every weekend till he was 13. It doesn't matter it's not the same.But you do have to "let go" and let them make thier own mistakes especially if they will not listen.
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Oh, absolutely Bev! How about the parent that was "never there"? The parent that chose drugs or alcohol and divorced the spouse to pursue a life of decadence? Sure. One day, he or she finds an opportuntiy to re-introduce into the child's life and over compensates by allowing the kid anything! But, you see, THIS is on the parent! This is what parenting really is! One must overcome one's inate sense of self and think of the child. A most arduous prospect, I'm afraid. Far too easy to try to live vicariously through an offspriing.
I realize it is not a black and white issue. Each child is different and really the only reason I have spoke up is because I care about JD and his struggle. Clearly, it is of great importance to him, as he has been posting about it now on a regular basis. I feel for him. I know with what he is dealing. The Princess has many of the same problems with her two boys. I see the pain. The difficulties. It is hard. Most all of you know that I have a daughter but she is grown and has her own family. I do not think I could do what she does with those young boys. My patience is just not that strong.
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Here is something to consider: Could it be that sometimes we as parents try to over compensate - where one's own parents may have been authoritarian we take an altogether passive approach or vice versa?
Thank goodness I have an aquarian for a son, He is very self-assured (in a good way) and independent, I have to consciously remind myself that he is only 15. I am confident that if I left here tomorrow, he is very capable of taking care of himself ... (not planning anything, but you never know).
On that note, got a teen that wants to download some more aircraft for his FS!
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Your absolutely right Freeze and you as well ronhartsell.I feel I have "failed" as a parent,and maybe I have beings my kid did'nt live with me even though I was around almost every weekend till he was 13. It doesn't matter it's not the same.But you do have to "let go" and let them make thier own mistakes especially if they will not listen.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:30:20 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Oh, absolutely Bev! How about the parent that was "never there"? The parent that chose drugs or alcohol and divorced the spouse to pursue a life of decadence? Sure. One day, he or she finds an opportuntiy to re-introduce into the child's life and over compensates by allowing the kid anything! But, you see, THIS is on the parent! This is what parenting really is! One must overcome one's inate sense of self and think of the child. A most arduous prospect, I'm afraid. Far too easy to try to live vicariously through an offspriing.
I realize it is not a black and white issue. Each child is different and really the only reason I have spoke up is because I care about JD and his struggle. Clearly, it is of great importance to him, as he has been posting about it now on a regular basis. I feel for him. I know with what he is dealing. The Princess has many of the same problems with her two boys. I see the pain. The difficulties. It is hard. Most all of you know that I have a daughter but she is grown and has her own family. I do not think I could do what she does with those young boys. My patience is just not that strong.
| | | Bev wrote: | | Here is something to consider: Could it be that sometimes we as parents try to over compensate - where one's own parents may have been authoritarian we take an altogether passive approach or vice versa?
Thank goodness I have an aquarian for a son, He is very self-assured (in a good way) and independent, I have to consciously remind myself that he is only 15. I am confident that if I left here tomorrow, he is very capable of taking care of himself ... (not planning anything, but you never know).
On that note, got a teen that wants to download some more aircraft for his FS!
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Oh, absolutely Bev! How about the parent that was "never there"? The parent that chose drugs or alcohol and divorced the spouse to pursue a life of decadence? Sure. One day, he or she finds an opportuntiy to re-introduce into the child's life and over compensates by allowing the kid anything! But, you see, THIS is on the parent! This is what parenting really is! One must overcome one's inate sense of self and think of the child. A most arduous prospect, I'm afraid. Far too easy to try to live vicariously through an offspriing.
I realize it is not a black and white issue. Each child is different and really the only reason I have spoke up is because I care about JD and his struggle. Clearly, it is of great importance to him, as he has been posting about it now on a regular basis. I feel for him. I know with what he is dealing. The Princess has many of the same problems with her two boys. I see the pain. The difficulties. It is hard. Most all of you know that I have a daughter but she is grown and has her own family. I do not think I could do what she does with those young boys. My patience is just not that strong.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bev from Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:07:02 AM)| | | Bev wrote: | | Here is something to consider: Could it be that sometimes we as parents try to over compensate - where one's own parents may have been authoritarian we take an altogether passive approach or vice versa?
Thank goodness I have an aquarian for a son, He is very self-assured (in a good way) and independent, I have to consciously remind myself that he is only 15. I am confident that if I left here tomorrow, he is very capable of taking care of himself ... (not planning anything, but you never know).
On that note, got a teen that wants to download some more aircraft for his FS!
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Here is something to consider: Could it be that sometimes we as parents try to over compensate - where one's own parents may have been authoritarian we take an altogether passive approach or vice versa?
Thank goodness I have an aquarian for a son, He is very self-assured (in a good way) and independent, I have to consciously remind myself that he is only 15. I am confident that if I left here tomorrow, he is very capable of taking care of himself ... (not planning anything, but you never know).
On that note, got a teen that wants to download some more aircraft for his FS!
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I think you do understand, Ron! You're right. Adaption is the key because times have changed (I mentioned that as 'social evolution'). Depending on the kind of parent you are, it certainly can be "good or bad". You mentioned being taught respect. Seems to me that is not the "norm" nowadays. Of course, I have mentioned often that we see "role models" and "famous" people that live and or promote a lifestyle wherein criminal activity or anti-social behavior is presented as "cool". Not too far from our day, I'm afraid. (Anyone here remember James Dean??) However, the anti-social hero of days gone by had a soul and was , at heart, a good person that had a tortured inner-self, yearning to be "loved". Now, we see that the criminal is a hero for his actions and disdain for anything good. "Beating the man", as it were. That behavior is glorified in ways we could never have imagined when we watched Fonda on his motorcycle as he "stuck it to the man". (Please see Grand Theft Auto for examples).
My biggest concern is that children learn a certain behavior. They are taught (by their parents) how to treat others BY THEIR PARENTS ACTIONS...or inaction. You may not be able to keep your children off drugs or away from gangs BUT, you can certainly NEVER allow it. You see? By "doing the right thing" you teach children how to behave. If they do something wrong, you do NOT hide it, or deny it. You FACE it and accept the consequences. A parent's response to adversity is the greatest teacher.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:19:42 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | I'm not sure I understand exactly what you mean by "we, as parents, try to project ourselves and our childhood on our children". But if it's what I think it means, that can be both good and bad. If my dad were a spouse abusing alcoholic and I grew to be like him and then my son picked it up from me, that would be bad. I was raised to 'respect my elders at all times' and 'corporal punishment' ensured I obeyed that command. As a parent I taught all the kids to do the same but I also explained to them why it was important to do so. They learned that what came back at them as a result of not showing proper respect was it's own 'just reward', so to speak. As times change a parent has to recognize and adapt to it or the kids will eat you alive (lol). There are a lot of things out there for a parent to worry about these days along with the duties of parenting, and it's easy to get into a routine and the days just run into each other and the next thing you know 3 years have gone by in the blink of an eye. It's a tough job, but it can be done. I see so many young ladies with kids living at home with mom and dad and still out there every weekend going to the bars carrying on with their lives like they forgot they're mom's. Fortunately 'grandma and pa' can be there if they're going to carry on like that, but where's the responsibilty at? Are grandma and pa enablers? For every kid that makes 'it', how many don't??
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It's funny, all this talk about kids and their behavior. Sometimes I think we, as parents, try to project ourselves and our childhood on our children. We often forget that there has been a remarkable social evolution in our society which has, of course, affected values. I suppose it happens to each generation. Having said this, there is a constant that remains and THAT would be what we call "doing the right thing".
I recall my youth. Working for money to buy the things my parents did not give me was just what we did. My grandparents owned a small cafe and I worked there every summer. More importantly, there was school. In our family, there was NEVER any discussion as to whether or not you went to college. It wasn't optional. You finished high school and you went to college. That was that. It is difficult for me to imagine a childhood wherein I would be thinking about a full time job and "being on my own" as a teenager. School was all there was. Nonetheless, my parents made sure that I "did the right thing". What does that mean, exactly?
We all know that, when one commits a crime, one pays a price. There is consequence for action. In life, there is also consequence for inaction. The reckoning may come slower, but it does come. Far too many parents feel that it is their "job" to continually support their children. By support, I mean financial. I mean a place to live. I mean feeding them. All of which, at some point, should come to an end. As a child, the right thing means learning to be an adult. We all learn how to be treated. Children learn this from their parents. Those that are coddled, given money, sheltered from responsibility and whatnot learn dependancy. Parents think they are doing the child a favor, but they are sadly mistaken. There comes a point were a parent must realize that "helping" is actually enabling.
One of the most difficult things for a parent to do is to let go. Refuse to keep "helping". If a child has spent his/her lifetime learning dependancy, this moment is all the more difficult. If a child has learned that work and responsibility are keys to adulthood, it is less difficult. Doing the right thing. What a concept! |
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I'm not sure I understand exactly what you mean by "we, as parents, try to project ourselves and our childhood on our children". But if it's what I think it means, that can be both good and bad. If my dad were a spouse abusing alcoholic and I grew to be like him and then my son picked it up from me, that would be bad. I was raised to 'respect my elders at all times' and 'corporal punishment' ensured I obeyed that command. As a parent I taught all the kids to do the same but I also explained to them why it was important to do so. They learned that what came back at them as a result of not showing proper respect was it's own 'just reward', so to speak. As times change a parent has to recognize and adapt to it or the kids will eat you alive (lol). There are a lot of things out there for a parent to worry about these days along with the duties of parenting, and it's easy to get into a routine and the days just run into each other and the next thing you know 3 years have gone by in the blink of an eye. It's a tough job, but it can be done. I see so many young ladies with kids living at home with mom and dad and still out there every weekend going to the bars carrying on with their lives like they forgot they're mom's. Fortunately 'grandma and pa' can be there if they're going to carry on like that, but where's the responsibilty at? Are grandma and pa enablers? For every kid that makes 'it', how many don't??
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:58:20 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It's funny, all this talk about kids and their behavior. Sometimes I think we, as parents, try to project ourselves and our childhood on our children. We often forget that there has been a remarkable social evolution in our society which has, of course, affected values. I suppose it happens to each generation. Having said this, there is a constant that remains and THAT would be what we call "doing the right thing".
I recall my youth. Working for money to buy the things my parents did not give me was just what we did. My grandparents owned a small cafe and I worked there every summer. More importantly, there was school. In our family, there was NEVER any discussion as to whether or not you went to college. It wasn't optional. You finished high school and you went to college. That was that. It is difficult for me to imagine a childhood wherein I would be thinking about a full time job and "being on my own" as a teenager. School was all there was. Nonetheless, my parents made sure that I "did the right thing". What does that mean, exactly?
We all know that, when one commits a crime, one pays a price. There is consequence for action. In life, there is also consequence for inaction. The reckoning may come slower, but it does come. Far too many parents feel that it is their "job" to continually support their children. By support, I mean financial. I mean a place to live. I mean feeding them. All of which, at some point, should come to an end. As a child, the right thing means learning to be an adult. We all learn how to be treated. Children learn this from their parents. Those that are coddled, given money, sheltered from responsibility and whatnot learn dependancy. Parents think they are doing the child a favor, but they are sadly mistaken. There comes a point were a parent must realize that "helping" is actually enabling.
One of the most difficult things for a parent to do is to let go. Refuse to keep "helping". If a child has spent his/her lifetime learning dependancy, this moment is all the more difficult. If a child has learned that work and responsibility are keys to adulthood, it is less difficult. Doing the right thing. What a concept! |
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It's funny, all this talk about kids and their behavior. Sometimes I think we, as parents, try to project ourselves and our childhood on our children. We often forget that there has been a remarkable social evolution in our society which has, of course, affected values. I suppose it happens to each generation. Having said this, there is a constant that remains and THAT would be what we call "doing the right thing".
I recall my youth. Working for money to buy the things my parents did not give me was just what we did. My grandparents owned a small cafe and I worked there every summer. More importantly, there was school. In our family, there was NEVER any discussion as to whether or not you went to college. It wasn't optional. You finished high school and you went to college. That was that. It is difficult for me to imagine a childhood wherein I would be thinking about a full time job and "being on my own" as a teenager. School was all there was. Nonetheless, my parents made sure that I "did the right thing". What does that mean, exactly?
We all know that, when one commits a crime, one pays a price. There is consequence for action. In life, there is also consequence for inaction. The reckoning may come slower, but it does come. Far too many parents feel that it is their "job" to continually support their children. By support, I mean financial. I mean a place to live. I mean feeding them. All of which, at some point, should come to an end. As a child, the right thing means learning to be an adult. We all learn how to be treated. Children learn this from their parents. Those that are coddled, given money, sheltered from responsibility and whatnot learn dependancy. Parents think they are doing the child a favor, but they are sadly mistaken. There comes a point were a parent must realize that "helping" is actually enabling.
One of the most difficult things for a parent to do is to let go. Refuse to keep "helping". If a child has spent his/her lifetime learning dependancy, this moment is all the more difficult. If a child has learned that work and responsibility are keys to adulthood, it is less difficult. Doing the right thing. What a concept! |
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Sure did...I believed that if you didn't get them while they were young, it would be too difficult later when they got older...but it comes with a price as well...I was an actual parent, I wasn't my kids' friend...I think too many parents want to be their kids friend instead of preparing them for lifes challenges, which means you are generally unpopular most of the time...and they needed to learn how to respect and the many forms of it... that, to me, was really important as I believe my kids are a reflection of their parents, especially when we weren't around...
...every kid is different and some times they have to fail in order to succeed...I never got the impression that you didn't care, but I think you see the need for things to get worse before you can make a difference...I'm sure when that time comes you'll be ready and willing...he doesn't know yet how lucky he'll be to have you waiting to help him when he really needs you the most!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, March 07, 2009 4:52:52 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Don't get me wrong,when my kid fails and pulls his head out....I will be there to pick up the pieces.But its gonna be a while.I am not a violent parent or anything by all means,and I am not unfair by all means,he is really that delusional right now. Hey ronhartsell,it sounds like your kids had a grip on reality from the sounds of it. Thats great to hear.Does that mean "you" had to kick some butt when they were younger? I'm starting to be afraid of you ronhartsell!!! lol!
Bev,that is unreasonable for him to make the kid walk up to the store for an unworthy reason I agree.
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I guess I'm one of the lucky ones...the eldest step-daughter is married with a daughter and getting along great, wonderful guy she chose...my step-son is an asst. mngr., engaged to a wonderful lass...and my daughter just graduated H.S, mid-term and has had a job for the last year and is going to school part-time to prepare for fall classes...so I have no complaints...but I totally get where you're coming from...kids want to 'act' so grown up at a really young age but don't want any of the responsibilties that go with it...like they're owed a life...you have to make your life, it usually doesn't fall in your lap...and I do beieve a majority of it has to do with the parents (or the lack thereof)...
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Wow,so I'm not the only one who noticed that these kids of today are indeed getting lazy.It does stem from thier parents,not always but most of the time.My kid does not live with me,he never has and since he turned 13 years old he went down hill.Now he is living at my worthless loser sister's house and roams between there and his sleezy mother's house and avoids my house.....why? Because he is afraid of me right now because the next time I see him,my foot is going soooo far up his ass he will never get it out! I'm going to sit back and watch him fail,and to tell ya the honest truth....I am enjoying it. If some of you out here are one of these lazy kids....get off your &*%#!@* asses and do something!!
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Yeah,thanks Bev. Yeah,its the only way he will learn is to fall down first.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bev from Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:03:06 AM)| | | Bev wrote: | | Yeah, JD. Made me nervous at first so I became a buffer not a barrier between he and our son. Dad is a hardworking guy, don't get me wrong. Like many (myself included) he grew up in weird unstable environment. I think it's been hard for Dad to keep quiet at times, thinking son should be doing more. But I like to believe he is equally proud of how things have turned out with his support.
Proud to know you'll be there for your son at the end of the day. Sounds like it may be a hard fall that brings him 'round. My best to you.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Don't get me wrong,when my kid fails and pulls his head out....I will be there to pick up the pieces.But its gonna be a while.I am not a violent parent or anything by all means,and I am not unfair by all means,he is really that delusional right now. Hey ronhartsell,it sounds like your kids had a grip on reality from the sounds of it. Thats great to hear.Does that mean "you" had to kick some butt when they were younger? I'm starting to be afraid of you ronhartsell!!! lol!
Bev,that is unreasonable for him to make the kid walk up to the store for an unworthy reason I agree.
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I guess I'm one of the lucky ones...the eldest step-daughter is married with a daughter and getting along great, wonderful guy she chose...my step-son is an asst. mngr., engaged to a wonderful lass...and my daughter just graduated H.S, mid-term and has had a job for the last year and is going to school part-time to prepare for fall classes...so I have no complaints...but I totally get where you're coming from...kids want to 'act' so grown up at a really young age but don't want any of the responsibilties that go with it...like they're owed a life...you have to make your life, it usually doesn't fall in your lap...and I do beieve a majority of it has to do with the parents (or the lack thereof)...
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Wow,so I'm not the only one who noticed that these kids of today are indeed getting lazy.It does stem from thier parents,not always but most of the time.My kid does not live with me,he never has and since he turned 13 years old he went down hill.Now he is living at my worthless loser sister's house and roams between there and his sleezy mother's house and avoids my house.....why? Because he is afraid of me right now because the next time I see him,my foot is going soooo far up his ass he will never get it out! I'm going to sit back and watch him fail,and to tell ya the honest truth....I am enjoying it. If some of you out here are one of these lazy kids....get off your &*%#!@* asses and do something!!
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Yeah, JD. Made me nervous at first so I became a buffer not a barrier between he and our son. Dad is a hardworking guy, don't get me wrong. Like many (myself included) he grew up in weird unstable environment. I think it's been hard for Dad to keep quiet at times, thinking son should be doing more. But I like to believe he is equally proud of how things have turned out with his support.
Proud to know you'll be there for your son at the end of the day. Sounds like it may be a hard fall that brings him 'round. My best to you.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, March 07, 2009 4:52:52 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Don't get me wrong,when my kid fails and pulls his head out....I will be there to pick up the pieces.But its gonna be a while.I am not a violent parent or anything by all means,and I am not unfair by all means,he is really that delusional right now. Hey ronhartsell,it sounds like your kids had a grip on reality from the sounds of it. Thats great to hear.Does that mean "you" had to kick some butt when they were younger? I'm starting to be afraid of you ronhartsell!!! lol!
Bev,that is unreasonable for him to make the kid walk up to the store for an unworthy reason I agree.
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I guess I'm one of the lucky ones...the eldest step-daughter is married with a daughter and getting along great, wonderful guy she chose...my step-son is an asst. mngr., engaged to a wonderful lass...and my daughter just graduated H.S, mid-term and has had a job for the last year and is going to school part-time to prepare for fall classes...so I have no complaints...but I totally get where you're coming from...kids want to 'act' so grown up at a really young age but don't want any of the responsibilties that go with it...like they're owed a life...you have to make your life, it usually doesn't fall in your lap...and I do beieve a majority of it has to do with the parents (or the lack thereof)...
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Wow,so I'm not the only one who noticed that these kids of today are indeed getting lazy.It does stem from thier parents,not always but most of the time.My kid does not live with me,he never has and since he turned 13 years old he went down hill.Now he is living at my worthless loser sister's house and roams between there and his sleezy mother's house and avoids my house.....why? Because he is afraid of me right now because the next time I see him,my foot is going soooo far up his ass he will never get it out! I'm going to sit back and watch him fail,and to tell ya the honest truth....I am enjoying it. If some of you out here are one of these lazy kids....get off your &*%#!@* asses and do something!!
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Don't get me wrong,when my kid fails and pulls his head out....I will be there to pick up the pieces.But its gonna be a while.I am not a violent parent or anything by all means,and I am not unfair by all means,he is really that delusional right now. Hey ronhartsell,it sounds like your kids had a grip on reality from the sounds of it. Thats great to hear.Does that mean "you" had to kick some butt when they were younger? I'm starting to be afraid of you ronhartsell!!! lol!
Bev,that is unreasonable for him to make the kid walk up to the store for an unworthy reason I agree.
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I guess I'm one of the lucky ones...the eldest step-daughter is married with a daughter and getting along great, wonderful guy she chose...my step-son is an asst. mngr., engaged to a wonderful lass...and my daughter just graduated H.S, mid-term and has had a job for the last year and is going to school part-time to prepare for fall classes...so I have no complaints...but I totally get where you're coming from...kids want to 'act' so grown up at a really young age but don't want any of the responsibilties that go with it...like they're owed a life...you have to make your life, it usually doesn't fall in your lap...and I do beieve a majority of it has to do with the parents (or the lack thereof)...
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Wow,so I'm not the only one who noticed that these kids of today are indeed getting lazy.It does stem from thier parents,not always but most of the time.My kid does not live with me,he never has and since he turned 13 years old he went down hill.Now he is living at my worthless loser sister's house and roams between there and his sleezy mother's house and avoids my house.....why? Because he is afraid of me right now because the next time I see him,my foot is going soooo far up his ass he will never get it out! I'm going to sit back and watch him fail,and to tell ya the honest truth....I am enjoying it. If some of you out here are one of these lazy kids....get off your &*%#!@* asses and do something!!
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| [Bev] Saturday, March 07, 2009 4:47:58 AM | |
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I bet you met lots of interesting people working this job, lots of families on vacation, having (or trying to) a good time. Fun people watching too, I'd imagine. Good for you, Vail : )
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Friday, March 06, 2009 10:14:07 PM)| | | Vaillant 3.0 wrote: | | Ooookkkaaaaayyyyyy...Looks like I'll have to do a double-confession:
1). No, I don't have a job right now... I'm in college now and living off Federal Student Aid... slaughter me if you wish...
2). HOWEVER!!! I did have a summer job last year...which was working at an amusement park called Knott's Berry Farm...operating kiddie rides...
While it was fun operating the control panel of several rides, the hours were a bit exhausting (12 hrs a day, six days a week), but at least I decided to stay and give it a go for the season, unlike other trainees who would walk out after only half a day's worth of work. All the rides were outdoors, so I was pretty much washing my work uniform everyday because I would sweat so much. Had to quit though, since this amusement park was in one region in the state and my college is 500 miles away. Still, it felt good getting that envelope from the Payroll office every Friday and looking at what was achieved in the long run: money, of course! For food and other small necessities during the school year.
I know I'll probably sound like a hypocrite, but I think the problem with my generation is that most imagine a job as having something to do with being in an office or something else less laborous, which is why many of us are in college in the first place, along with making parents proud. We're a bunch of softies, in other words. |
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| [Bev] Saturday, March 07, 2009 4:31:19 AM | |
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As far as it is possible, while my son is in school, he is focusing on grades so he can get whatever job he wants after he graduates. Having said that, I think he's a pretty well balanced kid. He still does chores to earn allowance. He's not old enough to get a job, legally. The past couple of years he's done community service at the aquarium or humane society. It looks good on a college application. Until he is legally permitted to work, he earns extra cash working with his Dad, who is a sailboat rigger and sailing instructor. They sometimes work together on the two rental properties we own. I don't think Harley would work for him if he was scared of him. Of course, I've never told him the story of how he got pissed at his oldest son, Harley's step-brother, and, because he forgot to ask his Dad they were out of milk his Dad made him walk a couple miles to the 7/11 in the snow at 11:00 pm to get it ... eldest was 7 years old at the time. I think that's plain stupid, and he must have come home drunk to make his kid do that ... stupid, if you ask me. Thank goodness he has evolved a little as a parent ; ) |
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| [ron h] Saturday, March 07, 2009 4:12:30 AM | |
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I guess I'm one of the lucky ones...the eldest step-daughter is married with a daughter and getting along great, wonderful guy she chose...my step-son is an asst. mngr., engaged to a wonderful lass...and my daughter just graduated H.S, mid-term and has had a job for the last year and is going to school part-time to prepare for fall classes...so I have no complaints...but I totally get where you're coming from...kids want to 'act' so grown up at a really young age but don't want any of the responsibilties that go with it...like they're owed a life...you have to make your life, it usually doesn't fall in your lap...and I do beieve a majority of it has to do with the parents (or the lack thereof)...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:59:41 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Wow,so I'm not the only one who noticed that these kids of today are indeed getting lazy.It does stem from thier parents,not always but most of the time.My kid does not live with me,he never has and since he turned 13 years old he went down hill.Now he is living at my worthless loser sister's house and roams between there and his sleezy mother's house and avoids my house.....why? Because he is afraid of me right now because the next time I see him,my foot is going soooo far up his ass he will never get it out! I'm going to sit back and watch him fail,and to tell ya the honest truth....I am enjoying it. If some of you out here are one of these lazy kids....get off your &*%#!@* asses and do something!!
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